Western Democracy and justice

[wilberhum]

It is a racial issue as i showed it. It doesn't matter whether the person was ill or not. The question here is of the treatment he got, had he been white i doubt they would have been as generous in treating him like a dog and beating him so barbarically.

Again you showed nothing. The fact is the guards were innocent and the doctors proved that.
You just want to assume because the jury was all white they were all bigots. Da.

Obviously you have no idea how those boot camps work.
They treat all of them like dogs.

It is the one last hope of turning delinquents around b4 thy turn into criminals.

You really need to read up on things and stop all your silly assumptions.

It is obvious to all why you left the doctors’ testimony out.

 

[islamirama]

Again you showed nothing. The fact is the guards were innocent and the doctors proved that.
You just want to assume because the jury was all white they were all bigots. Da.

Obviously you have no idea how those boot camps work.
They treat all of them like dogs.

It is the one last hope of turning delinquents around b4 thy turn into criminals.

You really need to read up on things and stop all your silly assumptions.

It is obvious to all why you left the doctors’ testimony out.

Dude i wasn't born yesterday nor were you. Take a look around you, prejudice is all over the place in US. Just look at the last 5yrs and you'll see many blacks getting short end of the stick by white's law. Look at katrina, people were taking food from stores to SURVIVE and the white cops started shooting at them, I didn't see any black guy shooting, did you?

 

[wilberhum]

Dude i wasn't born yesterday nor were you. Take a look around you, prejudice is all over the place in US. Just look at the last 5yrs and you'll see many blacks getting short end of the stick by white's law. Look at katrina, people were taking food from stores to SURVIVE and the white cops started shooting at them, I didn't see any black guy shooting, did you?

You didn't understand it the first time, so let me try again.
There is prejudice all over. I said it before, I'm saying it now, and I am willing to say it again.

I have seen prejudice. I have been affected by prejudice.
I remember when a black man was linched for trying to vote.

It is better now but we have a H*** of a long way to go.

So onec again, please read.
There is prejudice all over.
But not everything is race based and this is an example of it.

Do you assume all whites are racists?

 

[islamirama]

You didn't understand it the first time, so let me try again.
There is prejudice all over. I said it before, I'm saying it now, and I am willing to say it again.

I have seen prejudice. I have been affected by prejudice.
I remember when a black man was linched for trying to vote.

It is better now but we have a H*** of a long way to go.

So onec again, please read.
There is prejudice all over.
But not everything is race based and this is an example of it.

Do you assume all whites are racists?

No, not everything is race based. However, i think this case did have have that in it. You had white guys who probably thinking "nig*a" this n that while beating him so barbarically to all white jury who though "that black guy probably deserved it". i assure you, had it not been all white jury, the verdict would have been different.

And yes, you can be tough on delinquents but there's difference between tough rules and senselessly beating someone like that.

 

[aamirsaab]

I'm about to do something very ironic.

Lock the thread

MUAHAHAHA!

Only to delete a few posts though.

Edit: Opened. Please stay on topic and don't insult other members, or the thread will be locked und trashed. Yes, I said und!

 

[wilberhum]

No, not everything is race based. However, i think this case did have have that in it. You had white guys who probably thinking "nig*a" this n that while beating him so barbarically to all white jury who though "that black guy probably deserved it". i assure you, had it not been all white jury, the verdict would have been different.

And yes, you can be tough on delinquents but there's difference between tough rules and senselessly beating someone like that.

had it not been all white jury, the verdict would have been different.
That can mean only one of 3 things.
1) Blacks would have been willing to convict inocent people or
2) Whites let guilty people go or lastly
3) There is a bigot and it isn't the jury.

My vote is 3) and I find you guilty as charged. :uuh:

 

[NoName55]

amazing how trolls can and are allowed to revive any old thread at will be it 5 day or 2 years old! (supposed to be locked after 3 days of inactivity)

 

[Amadeus85]

Black population in USA has its own problems which lead so many of Afro Americans to prisons. Majority of marriages in this community breakes up. Kids are raised without father. So, when they have family, they also leave it as their fathers did. And so on and on. Although that Afro Americans make up just 12 % of american population , they commit most of murders and rapes. The mirror that reflects problems of black community is hip hop music. You can see there disrespect of women, free sex, hate for establishment and gangsta wanna be attitude. Afro Americans didnt manage to problems that were started by the social revoultion of 60's, i mean for example free sex, rejecting conservative values etc. And of course there are political parties in USA who dont want blacks to improve and be good citizens.Why? Because angry, poor and uneducated blacks will always vote for those who give them simple answers about who is responsible for their state. Not they of course, responsible is racist american society, so vote for those who really care about yuo, vote for us.

 

[NoName55]

Black population in USA has its own problems which lead so many of Afro Americans to prisons. Majority of marriages in this community breakes up. Kids are raised without father. So, when they have family, they also leave it as their fathers did. And so on and on. Although that Afro Americans make up just 12 % of american population , they commit most of murders and rapes. The mirror that reflects problems of black community is hip hop music. You can see there disrespect of women, free sex, hate for establishment and gangsta wanna be attitude. Afro Americans didnt manage to problems that were started by the social revoultion of 60's, i mean for example free sex, rejecting conservative values etc. And of course there are political parties in USA who dont want blacks to improve and be good citizens.Why? Because angry, poor and uneducated blacks will always vote for those who give them simple answers about who is responsible for their state. Not they of course, responsible is racist american society, so vote for those who really care about yuo, vote for us.

yeah ok... and whites are all nuns, monks, altar boys and girl scouts

 

[Amadeus85]

yeah ok... and whites are all nuns, monks, altar boys and girl scouts

I never said anything like that. They have own problems and they make own mistakes and failures. But whatever they do, i dont accuse others of their mistakes. Thats why i expect also from Afro Americans to take responsibility of their actions, stop complaining and do something to change and improve. The same i also can say to asian community in USA and to latinos.

 

[NoName55]

I never said anything like that. They have own problems and they make own mistakes and failures. But whatever they do, i dont accuse others of their mistakes. Thats why i expect also from Afro Americans to take responsibility of their actions, stop complaining and do something to change and improve. The same i also can say to asian community in USA and to latinos.

so why do your posts look as if they have been copied from a certain Nazi site on web?

read this again >> http://www.islamicboard.com/world-affairs/52103-western-democracy-justice-2.html#post851580

 

[Keltoi]

It might not be politically correct, but Aaron is correct in my estimation about the root of the problem in the black community(in the USA). On an issue like this it is hard to get away from generalities. Bill Cosby said something quite similar and was criticized for it as well. In essence, while the racist history of the U.S. is a significant element in the present state of the black community, it is hardly the cause of it.

 

[Muezzin]

Of course, the fact that any significantly poor community will likely turn to crime is not an issue.

Of course, neither is the fact that not all black people who make up that minority are criminals.

Of course, I have no point, because offending entire groups of people is now the in thing and people like me are just namby pamby politically correct wimps.

Of course.

 

[wilberhum]

Every one has made valid points, [removed personal bashing of another member]

Any time you have a minority who have had there culture destroyed and are kept in a second class status will be on the lower economic scale. The lower the economic scale and the less chance of overcoming it will increase crime.

It is much more an economic issue than a race issue.

 

[Keltoi]

Of course, the fact that any significantly poor community will likely turn to crime is not an issue.

Of course, neither is the fact that not all black people who make up that minority are criminals.

Of course, I have no point, because offending entire groups of people is now the in thing and people like me are just namby pamby politically correct wimps.

Of course.

Significantly poor? You do realize that the majority of "poor" people in the U.S. have multiple televisions, video game machines, and DVD players? The crime that exists in the black community isn't about feeding their children or paying the rent. It is a symptom of culture.

As I stated earlier, one must deal with generalities on a topic like this. It doesn't mean I hate black people or think all black people are criminals. Any more than you meant all black people are poor by generalizing about poverty.

If you want to see real poverty in the U.S., go to an Indian reservation in South Dakota.

 

[Muezzin]

Significantly poor? You do realize that the majority of "poor" people in the U.S. have multiple televisions, video game machines, and DVD players?

'Rich' and 'Poor' are relative terms. And credit is a wonderful thing.

The crime that exists in the black community isn't about feeding their children or paying the rent. It is a symptom of culture.

Such cultures (or sub-cultures) are heavily influenced by economic factors, no?

As I stated earlier, one must deal with generalities on a topic like this. It doesn't mean I hate black people or think all black people are criminals. Any more than you meant all black people are poor by generalizing about poverty.

Fair point. I was being tongue-in-cheek throughout the post anyway, but I did mean what I said. This is a fair point. My bad.

If you want to see real poverty in the U.S., go to an Indian reservation in South Dakota.

Another fair point. I just think it's unfair to say (or imply) that crime rates in black communities are solely to do with black 'culture'. Here in the UK, we have what we call 'chavs'. Gangster-rapper wannabes who wear jewellery, sports clothes, ugly mustaches and ASBO's (Anti-Social Behaviour Orders) like status symbols. And they tend to be white. But it would be grossly unfair to say that is all a product of 'white culture'.

If I've misunderstood what you're saying, I apologise. If you mean sort of... 'gangsta' culture, then yeah, I tend to agree, since that type of thing is more social than racial.

 

[Keltoi]

'Rich' and 'Poor' are relative terms. And credit is a wonderful thing.


Such cultures (or sub-cultures) are heavily influenced by economic factors, no?


Fair point. I was being tongue-in-cheek throughout the post anyway, but I did mean what I said. This is a fair point. My bad.


Another fair point. I just think it's unfair to say (or imply) that crime rates in black communities are solely to do with black 'culture'. Here in the UK, we have what we call 'chavs'. Gangster-rapper wannabes who wear jewellery, sports clothes, ugly mustaches and ASBO's (Anti-Social Behaviour Orders) like status symbols. And they tend to be white. But it would be grossly unfair to say that is all a product of 'white culture'.

If I've misunderstood what you're saying, I apologise. If you mean sort of... 'gangsta' culture, then yeah, I tend to agree, since that type of thing is more social than racial.

By culture I mean the state of the black family for the most part. Family units are very important in providing stability. Of course not all intact families benefit the child, but again, generalities. The anti-social behavior is a factor because it discourages education and self-improvement. I understand your point about white "gangsta" wanna be hoodlums, but that in itself is part of the "gangsta" cultural spill over that is taking place.

So what we are really talking about is a cultural problem that isn't isolated within the black community. White suburban kids now wish to immulate that image. It is bad for everyone, white, black, brown, or red. It is just sad that it doesn't seem anyone can talk about this issue seriously without having to defend against the "racist" stigma...not that you were calling anyone a racist.