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The US may have wanted to stay originally. They may have wanted some thing like the Philippines or Japan. But they do not seem to want to any more. How can they crush the insurgents? The only way they can do that is by what they cannot do - brutal military suppression. Their only chance was to have a friendly population. The Administration is still claiming there is one and that the insurgents do not represent the majority, but who believes that any more? They went in on the assumption they would be welcomed and it has not worked out that way. What they will do now is let the Shia do what they will inevitably do to crush the insurgents - rather like how Iran crushed the Fedayeen probably - but only once they have gone.
Yeah but that boat has sailed. No one is going to believe that the US is winning this war and the US military cannot do what it will take to crush it. The question now is how many more Americans will die and nothing else.
I don't know about that "we". But of course if you take this line, and you are perfectly free to do so, the inevitable consequence is government oppresion like in Syria or Egypt or wherever. After all the chances of you or your friends being tortured for their views is higher than the chances of you all torturing others. Democracy is a stupid system but it enables power to be transfered from unpopular to less unpopular governments without anyone being hurt. Without democracy how are you going to manage that?
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War in any country will create an insurgency. In time the insurgency will disolve. Do I think the US needs to leave Iraq? Absolutely not. The United States is responsible for rebuilding and securing the country. From what I've read, the Iraqi government is incapable of their own defense at this point.
Was the US justified in invading Iraq? Everyone has their opinion. From my viewpoint, the US was justified in the invasion due to the ties they had to Al-Qaida. After 9/11 Bush warned other nations that they were either for us, or against us. All evidence points toward Iraq being against the US battle against terrorism.
Was the US justified in invading Iraq? Everyone has their opinion. From my viewpoint, the US was justified in the invasion due to the ties they had to Al-Qaida. After 9/11 Bush warned other nations that they were either for us, or against us. All evidence points toward Iraq being against the US battle against terrorism.
I do not think it is true that war in any country will create an insurgency. It usually takes some sort of trigger. Germany did not face an insurgency in most of Europe and where it did, that insurgency was led by Communists. The Allies faced no insurgency in Germany or Italy or Japan. Violence of the guerilla/terrorist sort is highly associated with several specific ideologies. No ideologies, no terrorism. You may have a low level insurgency based on some social structures such as tribalism (if you colonise a country and undermine the tribal way of life they will resist) but that will not spill out into anything larger without an organising ideology behind it.
Nor do insurgencies dissolve with time necessarily. Tribal rebellions may do so. But ideological ones do not. The Malaysian Communist Party only gave up the struggle a little while ago. The FARC has been fighting since the 1950s.
Yes but they are bound to get help from Iran. The US cannot supply what Iraq needs now to end the fighting - Islamic legitimacy and a willingness to murder and torture thousands of people. Iran can. As long as the US holds the government back from doing what needs to be done, the insurgency will go on.
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I still hold to my belief that all wars will create an insurgency. During WWII Germany did have an insurgency, "Operation Werewolf". The insurgency lasted a couple years, then the people came to the realization that the allied forces were there to help rebuild, and the insurgency deteriorated. Hopefully this will happen in Iraq.
I also want to point out that during WWII Italy had an insurgency, as did Yugoslavia...I'm unsure off the top of my head about other countries, but I would wager that they in fact had one as well.
They had an operation but it never got off the ground. The Germans took defeat well. Of course the Germans remained in control of Germany. The Iraqi Sunnis must know any outcome will result in a Shia government They can only hope to puff themselves up and try to impress on people that anyone who takes them on will pay a heavy price and so hope for lenient treatment. In the past that may have worked but in the modern world I am not so sure it will.
As I said "Germany did not face an insurgency in most of Europe and where it did, that insurgency was led by Communists."
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Democracy sounds innocent enough, but the thing that there is democracy for some and operession for others. For example, here in Britain you can be imprisoned under teh new anti-terror law if you say you agree/support resistance in places like Iraq or Palestine. What ever happened to freedom of speech?:rollseyes
Also it's interesting to point out that this doesn't include support for the IRA. Hmmm... now why would that be?
As opposed to, say for example, Saudi Arabia? Oppression for some is better than oppression for all who are not cousins of the King. At least in my opinion. Nor do the laws say you will go to jail if you support the "resistance" in Iraq although I think people ought to. But only if you "glorify" terrorism. And as far as I can see it is an equal opportunity law in that it would apply to the IRA too. Not that it is law yet.
Besides some freedom of speech is better than none. In fact the more the better. Name a Middle Eastern country with anywhere near the level of free speech as the UK. If you do not like that law you can agitate against it. Not many places you can do that.
You still have not answered, and perhaps not thought about, how to change governments if they are oppressive. How would you do this without a ballot box?
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Greetings,
Who had ties with Al-Qaeda?
It's precisely that kind of dualistic thinking that has made Bush the most divisive US president of modern times.
Peace
Who had ties with Al-Qaeda?
It's precisely that kind of dualistic thinking that has made Bush the most divisive US president of modern times.
Peace
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There are many reported connections between the Ba'athist party and the funneling of cash to Al-Qaida.
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Greetings,
Interesting. Could you share any of these reports?
I'd heard that the opposite was the case - that Saddam and Bin Laden were enemies. I'm not an expert, though, so any information you could provide would be helpful.
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Interesting. Could you share any of these reports?
I'd heard that the opposite was the case - that Saddam and Bin Laden were enemies. I'm not an expert, though, so any information you could provide would be helpful.
Peace
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That's easy enough for you, YOU'RE NOT THE ONE BEING OPRESSED!
I root for there being a place somewhere in the world one day implementing shari'ah. Man i would migrate there faster than you can say 'hijrah'.
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Greetings,
This report says that Iyad Allawi believes there was a connection between Saddam and Al-Qaeda. He would say that, though, wouldn't he? In the interview he sidesteps the question of whether he is a US stooge and even uses the diction of President Bush: "We are going to prevail." Anyway, Allawi's belief is neither here nor there. No evidence has yet surfaced on whether the alleged connection genuinely existed.
This article claims that Richard Clarke once believed there was a connection between Iraq and Al-Qaeda, but that he doesn't any more.
I couldn't connect to this site for some reason.
So, basically, we're still waiting for any evidence that there was a link between Saddam and Al-Qaeda.
Renak, if you're prepared to base your view that the invasion of Iraq was justified on such flimsy evidence as this then I'm very surprised.
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This report says that Iyad Allawi believes there was a connection between Saddam and Al-Qaeda. He would say that, though, wouldn't he? In the interview he sidesteps the question of whether he is a US stooge and even uses the diction of President Bush: "We are going to prevail." Anyway, Allawi's belief is neither here nor there. No evidence has yet surfaced on whether the alleged connection genuinely existed.
This article claims that Richard Clarke once believed there was a connection between Iraq and Al-Qaeda, but that he doesn't any more.
I couldn't connect to this site for some reason.
So, basically, we're still waiting for any evidence that there was a link between Saddam and Al-Qaeda.
Renak, if you're prepared to base your view that the invasion of Iraq was justified on such flimsy evidence as this then I'm very surprised.
Peace
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it wasnt pretty hey, well at at least crime was down, rape was down, herroin export were down, what a shame for the cia. what about now, alcohol, gosh that heroin you could feel it here. big respect to the taliban , for at least trying to imlement the sharia. what bout other muslim countries. if tey so called had love for the sharia, they would have and should have helped afghanistan, wether it be finanivailly or through other means such as economic ect ect. but no body wanted to hey. mind you i herd parts of pakistan are taking on sharia law, which is why the bush crew is making sure tha musharraf crew bomb their so called al-qaeda hideouts there. man what a day that would be to see sharia implemneted, without an outsider complaining. what a day would it be to see sharia back in the lands where it once was so respected, loved and appreciated even by the kuffar.
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Well you say that, but has it not shown the american and british troops for what they are? Killing, torturing and beating innocent Iraqis?
I doubt any muslim who follows the true teachings of Islam, the Qur'an and Sunnah, would ever condone beheadings and killings of any innocent people.
The war in Iraq was illegal, first we are told WMD as well as other things, now we are told the war was to spread the ideolgy of democracy. Imagne if muslims invaded the USA or UK, to implement Shariah Law, the uproar would be unimaginable. Now other middle eastern countries are being targeted in order to spead the beliefs of certain people. And these certain people claim freedom yet they are determined to spread their beliefs and systems with violence and war.