What a great new law!!

[*noor]

Legal immigrants can't. But the illegal ones not only get it served on a plate. They get their choice of menu and the rest of us have to do the dishes.

what do you mean by that?

 

[Woodrow]

what do you mean by that?

Illegal immigrants are a very expensive tax burdan. The illegal immigrant pays no taxes, reaps the benefits, sends the money out of the country and as soon as the going gets rough they skip back to where they came from.

By illegal immigrants I refer to the ones who come here illegaly. Use forged identities and for a while get by with utilising the system for their personal gain.

Any and all immigration laws have no effect on them as they are not living within the existing laws to begin with.

 

[*noor]

Illegal immigrants are a very expensive tax burdan. The illegal immigrant pays no taxes, reaps the benefits, sends the money out of the country and as soon as the going gets rough they skip back to where they came from.

By illegal immigrants I refer to the ones who come here illegaly. Use forged identities and for a while get by with utilising the system for their personal gain.

Any and all immigration laws have no effect on them as they are not living within the existing laws to begin with.

ok thank you for the explanation..........so they really do harm our economy!

 

[Maarya]

someone was telling me the other day that they have to have a citizenship test aswell, i didnt know about english

 

[SUMMAYAH]

Illegal immigrants are a very expensive tax burdan. The illegal immigrant pays no taxes, reaps the benefits, sends the money out of the country and as soon as the going gets rough they skip back to where they came from.

By illegal immigrants I refer to the ones who come here illegaly. Use forged identities and for a while get by with utilising the system for their personal gain.

Any and all immigration laws have no effect on them as they are not living within the existing laws to begin with.

edit!

I believe it's a little different here in uk for illigal immigrants. They don't really have an identity so they can't claim any benefits. This also means they do not have a national insurance number therefore cannot persue any ligit occupations.
The only option left for them is cheap labour. They are willing to do private jobs for locals at below the standard wage.

This results for both of them to be happy ( as the same amount of labour in their own country would only bring a fraction of the wage in uk) and the other guy gets his job done for a fraction of the price he would normally pay.

 

[SUMMAYAH]

someone was telling me the other day that they have to have a citizenship test aswell, i didnt know about english

it's actually citizenship/english

 

[SilentObserver]

says who?

Says common sense. Also says any person thats done any travelling.

and since when should people be judged by their language instead of their minds and character?

It's not about judging. It's about identifying and associating.

With their passports :rollseyes and in alot of cases the alst thing people care about is being identifeid as a britain or what not, some people come in depserate situations and simply need help. What, we reject them becasue they dont speak our language? Where's the humanity?

Two points. First, it is a little unappreciative for a person to want the help of a foreign country and use their resources, but not want to be associated with that country. I would say "fine, seems you didn't need the help that much after all, ingrate." Second point, one that I already made, and that makes the first a moot point. The discussion, and in particular who I stated earlier that I was refering to, is about regular immigrants. Not refugees, who you have described. As I already stated, there could be special provisions for refugees.

Why should language be given precedence over morals and behaviour.

By all means it should not. If they are poorly behaved, refugee or not, deport them immediately. Troublemakers should never be let in.

How can they properly learn the customs and interact and integrate into society without communicating properly with the other members of that society?

Erm i'd rather a well behaved person who has no idea about my language be my neighbor rather than someone well spoken in english but with cactus behaviour.

That's a nice opinion. But I would rather have the guy that can't speak english learn it first, along with the culture courses I mentioned, so that he does know my language, and no longer has cactus behaviour because he feels more comfortable and can understand the situations he finds himself in.

Beign friendly doesn't depend on you knowing english.

That's for sure. A few in here speak english well ...
I'm more concerned with whether or not they would be a source of problems due to inability to communicate.

That's very discriminatory, so what's the difference between that and sahying 'i wont accept people without legs in my country'... 'coz they cant integrate and mix inw tih rest of society properly' :uuh:

A nice opinion, but just an opinion.

If the guy without legs can get along well on his own, then he will have to prove he can speak english and knows something about my culture.

Unless you are inviting homeless people to live with you in your home, your doing the same thing I mentioned on a small scale anyway.

 

[lolwatever]

so in short, if i'm in desperate need for help, it's ok for you to ban me from your country because i don't know english?

Even if i'm willing to learn it when i settle :?

Even if i have learning disorders which inhibit me from learning it:?

Even if i'm naturally dumb (i.e. can't speak) :?

 

[SUMMAYAH]

Legal immigrants can't. But the illegal ones not only get it served on a plate. They get their choice of menu and the rest of us have to do the dishes.

Many people believe the streets in America are paved in gold. When my family got here they found out that the streets were not paved in gold. In fact the streets were not even paved and furthermore my family was expected to pave the streets.

I'm sorry if I offended you earlier with my response to this post. I was only laughing at the metaphors you used and not at the actual content you wrote. To that I deeply symphathise with your family.

 

[SUMMAYAH]

so in short, if i'm in desperate need for help, it's ok for you to ban me from your country because i don't know english?

Even if i'm willing to learn it when i settle :?

Even if i have learning disorders which inhibit me from learning it:?

Even if i'm naturally dumb (i.e. can't speak) :?

I believe your pulling it out of proportion. I'm sure we all agree for these type of people to be given exceptions.

 

[lolwatever]

I believe your pulling it out of proportion. I'm sure we all agree for these type of people to be given exceptions.

so, don't make sweeping statements like the one you did in the first post.

It's a very sensitive issue. you also made a huge mixup about only marrying ppl who follow ur culture tradition.. where'd you get that one from ffended:

also in islamic country, door is open to everyone. where do you find khulafa saying 'only arab tongues can enter' ffended: ffended:

 

[lolwatever]

^ e.g. wat, so the prophet should hav kicked non arabic speakers who came to medina out tillt hey learnt arabic :?


this poitn doesnt apply to silent btw... the first post is what was directed to him.. not this and the one directly abovethis ..

tc salams

 

[Zulkiflim]

Salaam,

A logical law,when you enter a land ,to survive you need to learn the language.

And in Singapore we have a white wannabe goverment that keeps impressing on us to talk proper english,,but then we point out to them.,,,even the whites dont talk english anymore ..LOL

Anyway,in every coutnry they will have their own unique language,mixed up and so on,here we call it Singlish.

I have expatriates who now are able to talk Singlish very very well,,they had too,to survive to eat to order..LOL

 

[SUMMAYAH]

so, don't make sweeping statements like the one you did in the first post.

Exactly what were the 'sweeping statements' I made?

you also made a huge mixup about only marrying ppl who follow ur culture tradition.. where'd you get that one from ffended:

okay let me tell you this:
My parents live in Bradford. They have around 500 houses in their own and nieghbouring streets. 85% of those households are married to their cousins in their parents homeland. these nieghbours have relatives in other cities like Luton, Birmingham, Warsall etc and the same goes for them. So for me that's enough stats to form an opinion!

Don't pretend this doesn't exist. Even the NHS are so aware of it that every time I go to the hospital, they just tick the option that my partner is my relative without even asking me! ( then I have to correct them.....which i wouldn't have to do if this wasn't as wide-spread as your making it out!)

 

[lolwatever]

Exactly what were the 'sweeping statements' I made?

"From April 2007, anyone wishing to come and live in uk for good, has to pass an English test otherwise they will not get their visa's.

Personally I think it's a great idea. It is a law that was long due. If you wish to live in any country it makes sense to learn the language of that land.
"

That's a very braod adn general statement. You gave your agreemnt to such a general law which has so many discriminatory inmplications!

okay let me tell you this:
My parents live in Bradford. They have around 500 houses in their own and nieghbouring streets. 85% of those households are married to their cousins in their parents homeland. these nieghbours have relatives in other cities like Luton, Birmingham, Warsall etc and the same goes for them. So for me that's enough stats to form an opinion!

Don't pretend this doesn't exist. Even the NHS are so aware of it that every time I go to the hospital, they just tick the option that my partner is my relative without even asking me! ( then I have to correct them.....which i wouldn't have to do if this wasn't as wide-spread as your making it out!)

^ so what if they're marreid to their homeland... big deal... as far as Islam is concerned here's how ti works

"a woman is married for her beatuy,wealth, status, so choose taht with religion may you be successful", i don't see "choose that with religiona nd tradition" do i :rollsyes:

 

[Malaikah]

"a woman is married for her beatuy,wealth, status, so choose taht with religion may you be successful", i don't see "choose that with religiona nd tradition" do i :rollsyes:

What are you trying to say?:?

p.s. calm down ppl. :hiding:

 

[Abu Ibraheem]

We have to look deeper, what about people who can speak but cant read or write ...whats their standards? Academia?

 

[SUMMAYAH]

lolwateva
Those were my opinions that I am entitled to!

Now will you stop twisting every post! Edit!

 

[lolwatever]

Those were my opinions that I am entitled to!

Now will you stop twisting every post! I'm guessing your not married otherwise you wouldn't be so uptight and awkard!

Yes, but whehter they're islamic or not is a dfif story.

Keep your opinions, but don't attribute them to Islam without evidence.

You're making islam seem liek islam discriminates based on language or something using weird islamically baseless marriage theories as 'evidence'.

 

[SUMMAYAH]

Yes, but whehter they're islamic or not is a dfif story.

Keep your opinions, but don't attribute them to Islam without evidence.

You're making islam seem liek islam discriminates based on language or something using weird islamically baseless marriage theories as 'evidence'.

This has nothing to do with Islam!!!
I'm talking about an immigration law that's going to come into effect in UK!!!