What are your fellow muslims exactly doing in my Island?

[Woodrow]

Prove it! I dare you to prove one single muslim conquistador! ;D
You see I do know plenty about history and I know for a fact that when Columbus was commisioned by Spain to find a new Route to the Indies which led to the discovery of this hemisphere, Spain had freed themselves of Moorish Islamic rule. The moors as the muslims in Spain where called back then would have never been welcome on board any spanish vessel at that time...

For beginners check your history books and see who Columbus's navigator was.

Most muslims in the U.S are in fact located in Deaborn Michigan and most of them are very much of Arab decendency. As Mexico is concerned there's a significant mulsim population that is relegated mostly to a group of natives that used to follow a very legalist pseudochristian cult..

The estimated numbers of Muslims in the US ranges from 6 to 20 Million.

For Muslim Populations in the US The States with the Highest Muslim populations are CA. NY and TX. Here in Austin I am aware of at least 6,000 Muslims and the estimated Muslim population is much higher.



I believe here in Austin we have a larger Muslim Population than Dearborn has.

One caution to watch in the US, The NOI also calls themselves Muslim They are not an Islamic group and they are a very radical group..

 

[Liibaan]

This Boricua guy has already proven he knows nothing about us or about Islam, he's just arguing because of his skewed outlook on us and our diin, and our apparent goal of "dominating the world". Our leader is prophet Muhammad SAW, not Dr. Evil. We'd be better off just to ignore this guy.

 

[Keltoi]

For beginners check your history books and see who Columbus's navigator was.





The estimated numbers of Muslims in the US ranges from 6 to 20 Million.

For Muslim Populations in the US The States with the Highest Muslim populations are CA. NY and TX. Here in Austin I am aware of at least 6,000 Muslims and the estimated Muslim population is much higher.



I believe here in Austin we have a larger Muslim Population than Dearborn has.

One caution to watch in the US, The NOI also calls themselves Muslim They are not an Islamic group and they are a very radical group..

Could you provide a link to any credible source for the Muslims aboard Columbus's ships? It isn't that I don't believe you. I've studied alot of history, but Columbus wasn't really an important subject for me. Sorry, I know it's off topic....but it's better than the point of the thread in my opinion.

 

[islamistheway]

Perhaps for the same reason so many have come here to Texas. They came because of opportunity to advance and to fulfill all themselves to their highest Potential.

You may have noticed that Palestine and Jordan and not exactly conducive to people who have good business skills and the like. Does it not make more sense for them to go to areas where they can utilise their skills, earn higher income and use that to help their country men to the best of their ability.

It also makes sense for people to go to an areas where there is high tolerance for Muslims, which apparantly the people of your country shaow and I would assume your country has no laws that would prevent them from living as Muslims.

Yes, some will come for the purpose of helping our religion. However we do not advocate spreading Islam by force or obnoxious Evangelism. We believe that the best way is by example and to let people see that we truly are people of peace and it is our desire to live in Harmony with all people.

i second what brother woodrow has written.. also, Muslim's, like everyone else are human beings and they have an equal right to go to which ever country they like. even if they do not know the language of the country it should not be a hinderence for them living there.

 

[Woodrow]

Could you provide a link to any credible source for the Muslims aboard Columbus's ships? It isn't that I don't believe you. I've studied alot of history, but Columbus wasn't really an important subject for me. Sorry, I know it's off topic....but it's better than the point of the thread in my opinion.

I'm going to do things backward and start with one of the strongest refutations against Muslims being with Columbus, then come back with the rest of the stories. Might as well get the refutation out of the way first.

September 15, 2004, 5:56 a.m.
Christopher Columbus, Multicultural
Politics, not history, is behind this new tale.

By Robert Spencer

Not too many years ago, I witnessed a small band of angry protesters stalking down a Manhattan street chanting, "Columbus! Did Not! Discover! America!" I remember how quickly Columbus became a symbol of all that was wrong with the West: racism, imperialism, colonialism — and don't forget smallpox and cholera.




But now the old sea dog can come in from the cold, though an unlikelier candidate for a multicultural poster child could hardly be found. In a press release issued late last month titled "Islamic Influence Runs Deep in American Culture," Phyllis McIntosh of the State Department's Washington File burbles that "Islamic influences may date back to the very beginning of American history. It is likely that Christopher Columbus, who discovered America in 1492, charted his way across the Atlantic Ocean with the help of an Arab navigator."

Source: http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/spencer200409150556.asp

 

[wilberhum]

I think this part must have been over looked.

Unfortunately for State and the schoolchildren of Massachusetts, there is not a shred of historical evidence for this

 

[Keltoi]

I think this part must have been over looked.

I'm going to wait for Woodrow's additional posts before I come to that conclusion. I must admit I find the idea unlikely, but Columbus has never been one of my areas of study.

 

[Woodrow]

I think this part must have been over looked.

Nope that part was not over looked, that is the reason I stated I was starting with the refutation.



Some of the states are now using Text books backing the Islamic claim that there was a Muslim navigator. that was what prompted that refutation.

I am searching now for a Non-Islamic link about that. From My early days in the 40s and 50s we were taught way back then that Columbus had an Arab navigator. I want to find some of the old sources as they do not show any bias.

 

[Liibaan]

I read the article that Woodrow posted, and found this about the author:

Robert Spencer is the director of Jihad Watch, author of Onward Muslim Soldiers and Islam Unveiled, and editor of the forthcoming essay collection The Myth of Islamic Tolerance.

Not the kind of person I would trust to say anything good about Islam. If you can, Woodrow, please find an article written by a non-partisan author.

 

[Woodrow]

Not the kind of person I would trust to say anything good about Islam. If you can, Woodrow, please find an article written by a non-partisan author.

I agree, but that article is also the refutation that would come up as it is published in a number of magazines. Mr. Spencer got around.

There have been many claims that Muslims were with Columbus and many not by Muslims. It is the Non-Muslim ones I am looking for. Although The Text books from the mideast support their being Muslims with Columbus, the ones here in the US also made mention back in the 1940s and 50s

 

[SoyBoricua]

Oh please you muslims not only claim that Columbus came along with Muslims but that you Muslims where the first to discover the new World even before the Vikings set foot in it!
Not only that some claims go as far as saying that Islam was spread and practiced all thru out the hemisphere long before 1492 and that there ruins of mosques all over the hemisphere as well from North America to South America and all accross the Caribbean Islands look:
Muslims allegedly dicover the new world and spread Islam long before 1492!:rollseyes

By the way I had made a harmless thread in what allegedly is the general chat forum about which TV shows here people like to watch only to be canned which showcases perfectly as to why Co-existence is all but impossible!

In any event someone there mentioned the shoiw Sleeper cell and is worth mentioning because the irony is that not only is the main character and here a muslim but the producers themselves are muslim!
The saddest thing of it all though is the fact that their own fellow muslims see them as Zionists, Heretics and traitors of the worst kind! And why?
Because a muslim plays a hero defending his country but off course what he should be loyal is to the Ummah and the Ummah alone right?:rollseyes
Another example as to why co-existence is all but a dellusion...
I can show a few links from Ummah.com to showcase how your fellow muslims feel about the show and those that produce it!

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=60312&highlight=Sleeper+Cell

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=71640&highlight=Sleeper+Cell

Here's a clip from the show itself:

Is this truly the greater Jihad or what

In Ummah.com they said that the Immam was wrong and the shmuck that killed him right what do you say?

While you are at it what do you say about this:

http://www.islamicthinkers.com/index/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=355&Itemid=55


http://www.islamicthinkers.com/index/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=566&Itemid=26


And this:
http://bloghi.com/

So do not tell me or try to convince me that your religion is one of peace. When the reality is quite another...

 

[AbuAbdallah]

Because a muslim plays a hero defending his country but off course what he should be loyal is to the Ummah and the Ummah alone right?

Correct.

 

[Idris]

SoyBoricua do you mind make a new thread.. on your attack on Islam?

Your hate for Islam had blinded you. I see that your not here for any constructive learning. If you have something on Islam then say it, however we (Muslims) are not going to defend other Muslims.

 

[Woodrow]

It is somewhat paradoxol that you would start a thread like this.



Oddly Back in the 1950s my family in NY, Connecticut and Massachusets was wondering the very same thing about Puerto Ricans.

If the internet had been around, there probably would have been questions asked like:

"What are your fellow Puerto Ricans exactly doing in my State?"

It is odd that you started this thread as in the 1950s your people were doing the very same things as you see Muslims doing in Puerto Rico. We as Americans gained from it. For the most part we have discovered that most Puerto Ricans are very hard working industrious people with high standards of morality. We discovered that in spite of the attack on the US congress by a group of militants, Puerto Rico was not out to overthrow the US. We discovered that because most of them were very religious they were not out to evangelize NY and CT. We managed to cast our fears away and have learned that Peurto Ricans are Just as American as those of us who were born in the lower 48.

Perhaps if you could set your hate aside you will see that Muslims in Puerto Rico are no different than the Puerto Ricans in MA, CT and Ny. Facing the same hardships, fears and bigotry your people faced in the 1950s

 

[Keltoi]

Hopefully there will come a day soon when the Muslim immigrants to the U.S. and elsewhere are accepted as willing participants in the governmental and economic system of which they have joined. As a fairly new wave of immigrants, there will always be those who look upon them with distrust and animosity. It has happened with all waves of immigrants, whether from Ireland, Italy, Japan, etc. Eventually the currect conflict will end, and these immigrants will no longer be viewed in the context of conflict.

 

[Woodrow]

Very True, when my parents came here from Lithuania, it was the same thing. Every wave of immigrants have been hit with the same problems. People all over need to remember that at one time their ancestors were treated in the very same manner they are now treating new immigrants.

If a persons parents or grandparents did not come and overthrow the country, why pass judgement on other new comers.

I will have to make one special distinction about Puerto Ricans. Most of their ancestors are native Americans so many do not have ancestors that came from other Countries. However the Peurto Ricans that moved to NYC and CT did get treated as immigrants. Some ways Peurto Ricans were treated worse than immigrants. They are and have always been US citizens. But, they were treated as immigrants when they decided to move North.

But, with that in mind, the topic starter should have some empathy towards new comers and not fear or hate.

 

[aamirsaab]

Which confirms also what you teach your children no less too..

You know, I really do hate sweeping statements.

I believe this thread requires a clean up.

(p.s; I don't have moderation power in this section, so am unable to do so myself)

 

[chacha_jalebi]

lol

bless you, you cant take the fact that muslims have come in your country and built a mosque, and your sittin in your own country probably livin off pensions

ethanol? woh blud atleast you know one scientific word good on ya did the muslims teach you that then

if your a real man, why dont you go to the mosque and ask why the muslims are here saddo

lol typical sittin behind a computer and actin tough, you are obviosly showin signs of stress i suggest you take a swim in your island

 

[SoyBoricua]

You know, I really do hate sweeping statements.

I believe this thread requires a clean up.

(p.s; I don't have moderation power in this section, so am unable to do so myself)

You mean like one of your mods removing the pictures and links I've provided as they always do in all Islamist boards?

lol

bless you, you cant take the fact that muslims have come in your country and built a mosque, and your sittin in your own country probably livin off pensions

ethanol? woh blud atleast you know one scientific word good on ya did the muslims teach you that then

if your a real man, why dont you go to the mosque and ask why the muslims are here saddo

lol typical sittin behind a computer and actin tough, you are obviosly showin signs of stress i suggest you take a swim in your island

I've gone but it has been closed for 2 weeks or so...

 

[aamirsaab]

You mean like one of your mods removing the pictures and links I've provided as they always do in all Islamist boards?

Actually, the idea behind my post was to get your thread back on track. I imagine you still would like an answer to your question(s).