What Did Jesus Say About Christmas?

[جوري]

I wasn't aware of Easter eggs ever being used as 'offerings' in Christianity ...

Instead they are remnants of the old pagan religions, which celebrated the new life emerging with the coming of spring.
Since Jesus' resurrection demonstrates new life, and indeed the New Life we are offered through him, the old symbol of eggs seemed to fit the theme and stuck (and yes, hanging on to old symbols aided (rightly or worngly) the conversion of the followers of the old pagan religions)

is substituting old pagan religions to a new pagan religion better in your mind?

all the best!

 

[جوري]

unfortunately, saint worship is leaking into Islam from right and left, indeed this the time of fitna. May ALLAH(swt) preserve this deen.

It is true.. I believe that is why the prophet (SAW) used to seek refuge from disease, poverty and ignorance, as they are all tied to great superstition and the pagan rituals of old..
When the war broke out in Lebanon and children were dying left and right, one woman lay by her dying daughter and said, her name is Zainab and I have pledged her to Saiida Zainab to take her.. astghfor Allah, but she was a really simple woman, that I wonder if folks are liable in their ignorance? or are we, for not teaching them right from wrong? Also she was a shiite so perhaps this is a common thing amongst them? :hmm:

 

[glo]

is substituting old pagan religions to a new pagan religion better in your mind?

all the best!

If you consider Christianity a 'new pagan religion', then your answer is No.
But then I would disagree with your statement that Christianity is a 'new pagan religion' altogether ... instead I would view it as a replacement of old pagan understanding of God with 'The Way, the Truth and the Life'.

As for you comparing Easter eggs with the Egyptian offering of eggs to their pagan gods, I think it is probably similar to me making a statement about 'Muslims worshipping the moon' (... which I wouldn't because I am better informed about Islam than that!)

 

[جوري]

If you consider Christianity a 'new pagan religion', then your answer is No.
But then I would disagree with your statement that Christianity is a 'new pagan religion' altogether ... instead I would view it as a replacement of old pagan understanding of God with 'The Way, the Truth and the Life'.

I do indeed think Christianity is a new spin on old pagan rituals!

As for you comparing Easter eggs with the Egyptian offering of eggs to their pagan gods, I think it is probably similar to me making a statement about 'Muslims worshipping the moon' (... which I wouldn't because I am better informed about Islam than that!)

The Noruz is a Persian celebration of the vernal equinox in which indeed eggs are offered to the king symbolizing birth, spring and a new beginning, really has nothing to do with Egypt.. You should do some research about it, as it will indeed take the time to read what I have actually written so your disapproval is hits the mark?
Jesus didn't come up with Easter, where else would it have come from? just so your simile's have a point of well expressing a resemblance?

all the best!

 

[glo]

You should do some research about it, as it will indeed take the time to read what I have actually written so your disapproval is hits the mark?
Jesus didn't come up with Easter, where else would it have come from? just so your simile's have a point of well expressing a resemblance?

The only thing I disapprove of is any suggestion that Christians offer eggs to the gods at Easter. Anybody who has even a basic knowledge of Christianity would know that that is not the case.

To suggest Christians offer eggs to the gods is - in my mind, and as I have mentioned earlier in this thread - as far removed from the truth as it would be to suggest that Muslims worship the moon god ...

If it was not your intention to suggest that Christians offer eggs to the gods at Easter, then I have misunderstood you and have wasted everybody's time.

Salaam

 

[جوري]

The only thing I disapprove of is any suggestion that Christians offer eggs to the gods at Easter. Anybody who has even a basic knowledge of Christianity would know that that is not the case.

I don't believe even you have basic knowledge of Christianity given the queries that baffle you about Islam of which you are mum at best when shown far worst in Christianity I call your attention of course to one of the threads you started in the mixed section!

To suggest Christians offer eggs to the gods is - in my mind, and as I have mentioned earlier in this thread - as far removed from the truth as it would be to suggest that Muslims worship the moon god ...

I have said that christians offer eggs to the gods? or rather did I assert that the practice of eggs for easter is all borrowed from the norwuz a pagan ritual, and the case is the same for Christmas? If Jesus asked you to perform these rituals and celebrate these holidays then please prove me wrong! Further, this is something that christians are happy about and celebrate.. you do indeed celebrate Easter and Christmas no?

let's compare to what Islam teaches:
(20) And from among His Signs are the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. Prostrate yourselves not to the sun nor to the moon, but prostrate yourselves to Allah Who created them, if you (really) worship Him.
( سورة فصلت , Fussilat, Chapter #41, Verse #37)

I fail to draw your desired conclusion.. The whole 'moon god' thing was invented by Christians to make up for their shortcomings and it is rather something you should direct to your churches and their founders as it has no basis in Islam.. Easter and Christmas pagan rituals celebrated in Christianity (yes) moongod is also invented by christians but failed to take hold with Muslims, your simile falls short!

If it was not your intention to suggest that Christians offer eggs to the gods at Easter, then I have misunderstood you and have wasted everybody's time.

Salaam

indeed

all the best!

 

[Altair ibnu]

Before isa al-masih(jesus) come, romanian was a paganism.
Christian know that their religion is useless there(roma). Because paganism will kill them(christian) if christian is not match for them. So christian make a change, by using sun god reference(25th dec) to make paganism accept their religion.

 

[Sojourn]

"And going into the house they saw the child with Mary his mother, and they fell down and worshiped him."Matthew 2:11

 

[Sojourn]

Before isa al-masih(jesus) come, romanian was a paganism.
Christian know that their religion is useless there(roma). Because paganism will kill them(christian) if christian is not match for them. So christian make a change, by using sun god reference(25th dec) to make paganism accept their religion.

The dating of the nativity was based off an ancient tradition that the Annunciation occured on March 25th. Count nine months from that day and you get December 25th.

The more ya know!

 

[جوري]

"And going into the house they saw the child with Mary his mother, and they fell down and worshiped him."Matthew 2:11

DRB And entering into the house, they found the child with Mary his mother, and falling down they adored him; and opening their treasures, they offered him gifts; gold, frankincense, and myrrh.

DBY And having come into the house they saw the little child with Mary his mother, and falling down did him homage. And having opened their treasures, they offered to him gifts, gold, and frankincense, and myrrh

can't seem to agree.. people adore and pay homage alot no?.

John: Gilmore Nobody ran to the movies to see Shelley. She adored and worshiped Marilyn—Marilyn was her heroine, her goddess.

http://www.insidemarilynmonroe.com/Q8.htm

many human gods and goddesses from books written by nameless men!

all the best!

 

[جوري]

The dating of the nativity was based off an ancient tradition that the Annunciation occured on March 25th. Count nine months from that day and you get December 25th.

The more ya know!

ah except Jesus (p) was born sometime in early fall!


[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 19:23] And the pangs of childbirth drove her unto the trunk of the palm-tree. She said: Oh, would that I had died ere this and had become a thing of naught, forgotten![/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 19:24] Then (one) cried unto her from below her, saying: Grieve not! Thy Lord hath placed a rivulet beneath thee,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 19:25] And shake the trunk of the palm-tree toward thee, thou wilt cause ripe dates to fall upon thee.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 19:26] So eat and drink and be consoled. And if thou meetest any mortal, say: Lo! I have vowed a fast unto the Beneficent, and may not speak this day to any mortal.[/SIZE]


as that is when dates grow in the 'Middle Eastern region' where your alleged God was born..

indeed the more you know!

all the best!

 

[جوري]

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ah except we don't venerate a black stone!
You should consult your pagan elders to teach you something valid about Islam so when you come arguing against Muslims, you will actually have something of substance to Impart.

During the building of the Ka'bah, Prophet Ibraaheem stood on a large stone block in order to complete the upper part of its walls. He used to move the block around the Ka'bah as he built it and on completion of the building, it was left outside the Ka'bah near the eastern wall and became known in later years as Maqaam Ibraaheem (the standing place of Ibraaheem). In Ibraaheem's time, the Ka'bah reached a height of 4.5 meters. It was rectangular in shape with a semi-circular back wall. Ibraheem built in it two doors at ground level and did not put a roof on it. He would come to Makkah once per year to perform the rites of Hajj with his family until he died. His son Ismaa'eel who had by then married a woman from the tribe of Jurhum, continued the tradition of Hajj and looked after the Ka'bah until he died.

http://www.tohajj.com/eng/Display.asp?f=hu200001

Muslims don't worship a black stone, and it is actually an object of little importance save symbolic value.. however, you do worship a man named Jesus as God, a man who was allegedly forsaken by his own-self the night after he prayed to himself in the garden of Gethsemane while debating on whom to pass the torch too Peter too forsake him three times .. Thus the man you allege is a god not only failed to uphold his commandments, his promise to his own self, but to even part from this world with disciples who can carry the torch, and thus you end up leaving it to dreams of born again charlatans who abrogated most of his commencements and doubting thomases and joan's of Arc etc etc..

good luck with all of that!

all the best

 

[Sojourn]

can't seem to agree.. people adore and pay homage alot no?

So nothing wrong with prostrating to an infant out of adoration?

As for the translation: The Greek word "prosekunēsan" (προσεκύνησαν) means to worship (adore means the same thing.)

 

[جوري]

So nothing wrong with prostrating to an infant out of adoration?

As for the translation: The Greek word "prosekunēsan" (προσεκύνησαν) means to worship (adore means the same thing.)

I bent down to pick all my nieces and nephews as new born and found them absolutely adorable!

by the way, that is if I am to take anything in your bible with other than a grain of salt, I have already painted quite the realistic picture of exactly what happened on the alleged day of christ' crucifixion using none other than your bible(s)

There is no historical or common sense and I fear quoting me adoration/homage/worship-- won't really change things any..

yeah just so you know!

all the best

 

[Sojourn]

Muslims don't worship a black stone, and it is actually an object of little importance save symbolic value..

I didn't say you worship it, I said you venerate it, as did the pagans of the hijaaz.

I know you believe the kaba was built by Abraham but that's your personal belief.

 

[جوري]

I didn't say you worship it, I said you venerate it, as did the pagans of the hijaaz.

I know you believe the kaba was built by Abraham but that's your personal belief.

It isn't venerated, if it weren't in existence it wouldn't make one bit of a difference!

as for the Abraham/Ishmael issue.. as far as Christianity is concerned it is a personal belief. As for as Islam it is historical accuracy .. surprisingly also using your own bible -- which isn't able to sustain itself against the lowest credibility standards!

all the best!

 

[Sojourn]

I bent down to pick all my nieces and nephews as new born and found them absolutely adorable!

Obviously for three men to prostrate infront of an Infant out of adoration (adore=worship) would contradict an Islamic understanding of Jesus, so I don't expect you to accept it, but that fact is according to the NT Christ was worshipped from birth. Even if you quibble about the translation of the Greek word, if Jesus were merely human those men committed Shirk.

 

[جوري]

Obviously for three men to prostrate infront of an Infant out of adoration (adore=worship) would contradict an Islamic understanding of Jesus, so I don't expect you to accept it, but that fact is according to the NT Christ was worshipped from birth. Even if you quibble about the translation of the Greek word, if Jesus were merely human those men committed Shirk.

What is obvious seems so apparent to only you and purely on blind faith.. I wouldn't put the word 'fact' with anything christian and you know the sad thing is, I can tell you are trying to really milk this for all you can, while I sip on tea and watch Dr. G medical examiner!

all the best

 

[Sojourn]

It isn't venerated, if it weren't in existence it wouldn't make one bit of a difference!

Do you know what the word veneration means? Because to encase a stone in silver, put it on public display in a sacred place, and then have thousands of people eagerly touch and kiss it seems a lot like veneration.

as for the Abraham/Ishmael issue.. as far as Christianity is concerned it is a personal belief. As for as Islam it is historical accuracy .. surprisingly also using your own bible -- which isn't able to sustain itself against the lowest credibility standards!

I'd say even as secular historians of no religious affiliation are concerned...

 

[Sojourn]

What is obvious seems so apparent to only you and purely on blind faith.. I wouldn't put the word 'fact' with anything christian and you know the sad thing is, I can tell you are trying to really milk this for all you can, while I sip on tea and watch Dr. G medical examiner!

Hehe, well at least you have a sense of humor despite trying to evade a straightforward reading of the text. You can always accept what it says and still claim some Christian forged it