What do non-Muslims want from Muslims?

To all non-muslims (and I mean christians and jews) who like nothing than for muslims to be fond of you and like you, you will get your wish, as prophet Muhammad SAW said it is a sign of the end of times:

The Prophet (saas) said, “Surely you will follow the ways, of those nations who were before you, span by span and cubit by cubit (i.e. inch by inch) so much so that even if they entered a hole of a lizard, you too would follow them," We said, “O Allah's Messenger! Do you mean the Jews and the Christians?" He replied, “Whom else?"
(Bukhari)
 
mad_scientist said:
you are telling me ( i am a Muslim) to make friends with atheists, the very people who reject the God I believe in and live for? what is this? Tomorrow you will tell me to go and make friends with a person who, God forbid, murdered someone very dear to me? And Allah is dearer to me than this person who got murdered!
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Who knows, it might do you some good. :p I don't think he means for you to go out and seek the friendship of those who are actually against Islam, but I think you definitely should try and keep friendships with all kinds of people... Believe it or not, not all atheists/Christians/non-Muslims are out to get us... Most of my friends are non Muslim, and we've never had any problems. They respect my beliefs, and I respect theirs. Some of the best religious discussions I've ever had have been with them. :p

To be totally honest, I think people who try really hard to distance themselves from those who have opposing beliefs end up becoming too closed minded about things... Not all people, but it seems to happen to some. Again, I'm not saying you should go out and seek an atheist BFF, but a few casual friendships might be beneficial...
 
Tyrion said:
Who knows, it might do you some good. :p I don't think he means for you to go out and seek the friendship of those who are actually against Islam, but I think you definitely should try and keep friendships with all kinds of people... Believe it or not, not all atheists/Christians/non-Muslims are out to get us... Most of my friends are non Muslim, and we've never had any problems. They respect my beliefs, and I respect theirs. Some of the best religious discussions I've ever had have been with them. :p

To be totally honest, I think people who try really hard to distance themselves from those who have opposing beliefs end up becoming too closed minded about things... Not all people, but it seems to happen to some. Again, I'm not saying you should go out and seek an atheist BFF, but a few casual friendships might be beneficial...
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wow ... self righteousness.

so people who dont seek friendships of kufaar, they become narrow-minded! How do you define narrow-mindedness? Is it narrow-minded to tell an atheist that he is wrong in his logic? Or would you want us to have acknowledge that he (atheist) is right in his position to reject God ....

So what if you had most philosophical discussions with atheists? I realize that I wasted those years of me life discussing this with atheists, I found them to be narrow-minded arrogant bigots who actually used scientific method to deny and disrespect people's beliefs (surprisingly, they were not contributing much to human scientific knowledge through academia!!!!) ....

I had most philosophical discussions with myself, with other Muslims .... i dont need an atheist to stimulate my mental growth.

I never said atheists are "out there to get to me." Probably they are not as they cant even defend themselves except by ridiculing our position and hiding theirs under the facade of pseudo-rationalism and propaganda such as banners on buses "God probably does not exist." Even in that statement, "probably" actually works against them ....

Atheists are the most arrogant bunch of liars I've seen, after the Egyptian Coptic Christians.

And no, I'd rather die in depression than go out with an atheist to chill out in the park.
 
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mad_scientist said:
I dont think I agree with that .... so we need to "reach out" to the kaafirs, who supposedly make up a "tolerant society," to convince them that we are not scary? wow. I thought they were tolerant in the first place, as you mentioned, and we wont need to do any reaching out?
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Could you no throw the word kafir around like it's an actual insult? On the second point, yes I worded it badly. I meant most people. But some are still closed minded. I don't mean prejudiced types, those types can die in a fire, but people who just fear or are uneasy about what they don't know. The kinds you'd never see traveling to another country even if they had the money. These are the ones who should see what Islam really is. What I like about some Muslim sites that have Sheikhs answering questions about Islam is that they don't intimidate you with "Join us or you will go to Hell" like some Christian sites.
 
mad_scientist said:
I dont think I agree with that .... so we need to "reach out" to the kaafirs, who supposedly make up a "tolerant society," to convince them that we are not scary? wow. I thought they were tolerant in the first place, as you mentioned, and we wont need to do any reaching out?
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It would be nice if muslims didn't have to do any reaching out to show that Islam is not hateful and intollerant, wouldn't it? Why isn't this so? Partly because of statements like these by people identifying themselves as muslims.

you are telling me ( i am a Muslim) to make friends with atheists, the very people who reject the God I believe in and live for? what is this? Tomorrow you will tell me to go and make friends with a person who, God forbid, murdered someone very dear to me? And Allah is dearer to me than this person who got murdered!
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And no, I'd rather die in depression than go out with an atheist to chill out in the park.
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Equating atheism with murder and stating that one would rather die than be around atheists is exactly the kind of attitude that causes the negative stereotype that some of the less hateful muslims here complain about and would like us westerners not to hold.
 
mad_scientist said:
Atheists are the most arrogant bunch of liars I've seen, after the Egyptian Coptic Christians.
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:sl:

No need to generalise.

Keep in mind, there are some non-Muslims who have converted to Islam and others who have potential to convert.
 
Pygoscelis said:
It would be nice if muslims didn't have to do any reaching out to show that Islam is not hateful and intollerant, wouldn't it? Why isn't this so? Partly because of statements like these by people identifying themselves as muslims.
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I really doubt that.
I am very certain those who are intolerant and hateful or distrustful of muslims have not actually met in person and known personally a muslim.
 
Interesting that the same person can say this of another person:
mad_scientist said:
wow ... self righteousness.
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And then in the very same post say these things of himself:
mad_scientist said:
I had most philosophical discussions with myself, with other Muslims
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mad_scientist said:
I'd rather die in depression than go out with an atheist to chill out in the park.
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I only hope that he is able to see the irony of those comments when they are juxataposed.

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Guestfellow said:
Keep in mind, there are some non-Muslims who have converted to Islam and others who have potential to convert.
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So that's the reason why you feel that they should be treated nicely -- because they may one day convert to Islam? Otherwise, they're not worth more than trash, right?
 
mad_scientist said:
you are telling me ( i am a Muslim) to make friends with atheists, the very people who reject the God I believe in and live for? what is this? Tomorrow you will tell me to go and make friends with a person who, God forbid, murdered someone very dear to me?
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What logic in hell are you using in your linking of the rejection of God to the murder of a person?

Also, just because someone doesn't believe in your God, doesn't mean he hates your God, and doesn't mean that he hates you. Your presumption of this hostility is quite elucidating of YOUR OWN irrational hatred and anger toward people who are different than you.
 
Not every atheist is arrogant, and self-righteous. I've met quite a few who are, but as I've always said you will always find a bad seed with every group of people. A friendship can be had with people of all beliefs as long as it's kept civil and polite.
 
Thucydides1987 said:
So that's the reason why you feel that they should be treated nicely -- because they may one day convert to Islam? Otherwise, they're not worth more than trash, right?
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No. People should convert to Islam to please Allah, not me.

End of the day, I don't care whether you or any other non-Muslim converts. I don't want people to convert to please me at all.
 
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Conversion is a personal matter - if you do it for people and society then your falling into hypocricy - the road from there isnt so nice.......
 
Thucydides1987 said:
So that's the reason why you feel that they should be treated nicely -- because they may one day convert to Islam? Otherwise, they're not worth more than trash, right?
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Asalaamu Alaikum(peace be with you),

No because the Quran and Sunnah tell us to, I mean being Kind to anyone and everyone is obligatory to every Muslim (No Muslim will turn a hungry man down just because their not Muslims, even at the time of the Prophet(peace be upon him), non-Muslim slaves were treated with greater respect than the non-Muslims treated each others with. Anyone and everyone has potential to revert to Islam, which isn't in our hands but God's (all we can assist in doing is opening their hearts, ie; preaching to them and letting them understand the true Islam). We can never force anyone to revert, we should only try to present Islam the way it's suppose to be presented, not for the non-Muslims but for Allah(swt) (Allah = One True God). Just because were in the presence of a Non-Muslim, do you think we'll suddenly change our attitude and the way we do things? That's a hypocritical thought, since our only witness to the way we act and speak and think is non other than Allah(swt).
 
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Perseveranze said:
No because the Quran and Sunnah tell us to, I mean being Kind to anyone and everyone is obligatory to every Muslim (No Muslim will turn a hungry man down just because their not Muslims, even at the time of the Prophet(pbuh), non-Muslim slaves were treated with respect greater respect than the non-Muslims treated each others with. Anyone and everyone has potential to revert to Islam, which isn't in our hands but God's (all we can assist in doing is opening their hearts, ie; preaching to them and letting them understand the true Islam). We can never force anyone to revert, we should only try to present Islam the way it's suppose to be presented, not for the non-Muslims but for Allah(swt) (Allah = One True God). Just because were in the presence of a Non-Muslim, do you think we'll suddenly change our attitude and the way we do things? That's a hypocritical thought, since our only witness to the way we act and speak and think is non other then Allah(swt).
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Well, other than the part about Muhammad's non-Muslim slaves (regardless of the respect they get, they're still slaves), I generally like what you said, it's very humble -- if only I knew more Muslims like you.
 
What do non-muslims want?----apologies everytime there is a "terrorist" act---supposedly in the name of Islam. But when confronted by terrorist acts that their countries/governments have (and continue) to perpetrate IN THEIR NAME---there are always excuses--and hardly any apologies.

So, non-muslims might say---but hey, what the governments do is not for religion----well---what the suicide terrorists do is not for religion either---they are protesting the brutal western terrorists acts of killing hundreds of innocent civilians and children in their countries.---Read Robert Pape or look up his database at the University of Chicago.

So, there is domestic voilence, capital punishment, lack of freedom---etc and Muslims should apologise for this?----all of this also exists in the West--I don't hear any apologies for this---in fact, the U.S. defends its human rights abuses---(The U.S. is currently under review of its human rights records----Glenn Greenwald also has some interesting stuff to say about U.S. abuse of rights/civil liberties)

So what do we do?---sit around and blame each other?---spend our time apologiszing for every other thing? In my opinion, we need to ask---what can I/we do to help?. We are all brothers and sisters in humanity and if we help each other---we can make this world better. Instead of the cycle of blaming and apologising---we should come up with creative solutions to our World problems---because these problems are all similar all over the world.

.....and maybe we should start by cultivating an attitude of mutual respect......?
 

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