What do they believe?

[Khoza]

I mean if Guru nanek clearly stated all other religions were wrong and only Sikhism was right, and that he was neither Hindu or Muslim, then why did the muslims and hindus try and claim Guru Nanek was a muslim/hindu?

Guru Nanak did not say all religions were wrong, he said that in Gods court it doesnt matter if you were a Hindu or a Muslim since at the end you were going to be judged as an individual on your deeds. Guru Nanak was greatly admired by Hindu and Muslims since he was considered a true saint.

 

[ISDhillon]

Thnx for reply. But it seems Sikhism is just limited to just Indians. I haven't seen any non-indians ever embrace Sikhism, i've heard of some rare conversions though. could you shed more light please

mrsikhnet.com

miripiriacademy.org

http://www.3ho.org/

is a religion only appealing if their members are non-indians?:?

 

[Khoza]

Thnx for reply. But it seems Sikhism is just limited to just Indians. I haven't seen any non-indians ever embrace Sikhism, i've heard of some rare conversions though. could you shed more light please

Lol theres thousands of white Sikhs in the US, Mexico, Europe including many black converts but Sikhism is a young religion whose message is just being heard around the globe

 

[jss]

Thnx for reply. But it seems Sikhism is just limited to just Indians. I haven't seen any non-indians ever embrace Sikhism, i've heard of some rare conversions though. could you shed more light please

Sikhi is not a missionary faith. When one follows the hukam (will) of the Guru then that Sikh (disciple) must focus primarily on themselves by meditating on the shabad (message-Gurbani) and naam (Repitition of word Vaheguru). The purpose of which is to battle the inner passions which are
kaam (lust)
Krodh (anger
lobh (greed)
moh (attachment)
ahankar (ego)

gur kY sbid pMc sMGwrY ]
gur kai sabadh pach saghaarai ||
Through the Word of the Guru's Shabad, they conquer the five thieves.

Guru Amar Daas Ji
Raag Gauree
230

When the five thieves are controlled and the Sikh follows truthful living then he/she is in a state of anand (bliss) and becomes God realised. However this is gradual, dependant on ones karma and can take many lifetimes.

Apart from meditation, Guru Nanak Dev Ji also emphasised
Kirit karna (earn an honest living)
Vand Chakna (share with others)


A Sikh of the Guru must accept Gods will in dukh (pain) and sukh (happiness).
The Guru's taught humanity this and lived by example.
For instance when Guru Arjan Dev Ji was martyred by being placed on a hot plate and had burning sand and boiling water poured on him. The Muslim saint Mian Mir, a friend and admirer of the Guru offered to help Guru Sahib escape, to which Guru Arjan Dev Ji replied "Gods will is always sweet"

A Sikh of the Guru sees all humanity as one and does not differentiate between religions and does not seek to convert.
As everything is in Gods will, if someone wishes to come into Sikhi (by the Guru's grace) then that is up to them. It should not be forced upon them.
All is according to his command (hukam).

hukmu soeI quDu BwvsI horu AwKxu bhuqu Apwru ]
hukam soee thudhh bhaavasee hor aakhan bahuth apaar ||
The Hukam of Your Command is the pleasure of Your Will, Lord. To say anything else is far beyond anyone's reach.

Guru Nanak Dev Ji
Siree Raag
17


Sikhi throughout history has endured genocides, attempts of assimilation by intolerant rulars, and other groups which is why Sikhi has been affected in terms of numbers.
But again Sikhi emphasises quality not quantity.
If someone wishes to convert out of their OWN choice then good for them. People who wish to convert are welcomed but at the same time we don't go looking to convert people.

Hope that helps Moss ji
Maybe Dhillon veer ji can expand abit more

 

[Mohsin]

Thnx for replies

I see what you are saying that you dont go around converting people
But;

Didn't guru nanek travel around trying to preach Sikhism

Also if you think Sikhism is the most righteous religion, then that way you must consider it better than the others, so shouldn't you want others to have the beauty you have?

I'm kinda suprised at reading that all religions are right according to Sikhism, since i heard it says the other religions are false

 

[ISDhillon]

Didn't guru nanek travel around trying to preach Sikhism

sikhism is not a religion, sikhism is a dharma, their is no such thing as a religion all messengers from god preached dharma man in his ego created the relgion. So that is what Guru Nanak Dev Ji did he preached dharma, most people preach dharma teachers tell their students to behave, police are practicing dharma, red cross practices dharma.

Also if you think Sikhism is the most righteous religion, then that way you must consider it better than the others, so shouldn't you want others to have the beauty you have?

its not about better once you say better then you will limit sikhism to what it once did and not what it must still do, Personally I do not believe there is any other religion which can offer the same equality and sacrifice and protection sikhism does, and continues to do. I have told you before about converts etc from the oxford islam msn site here it is again just in case you missed it:

We as sikhs have never engaged with interfaith dialogue, nor have we preached, because our religion is not about resting on our laurals, any religion which does not cause the seeker to have divine connection with the almighty eventually drives the faithfull into missionary activity , such a purpose is actively sought through bizarre interpretation of religious texts because the faith alone does not satisfy the conditions of man ,there is only so much praying and reading you can do before you hunger after more, and this is what sets sikhism a part from any other religion on this earth, the concept of naam which sadly none of the sikhs here have even mentioned.

Yes I can answer this because in Sikhism it is the roop which is an indicator of one who has achieved the status of enlightenment, in Sikhism we are taught that when non-sikhs see the radiant form of khalsa they will stop you and ask where you have gained such a great form and this is the only form of true practicing what you preach, because some preachers are absolutely revolting and they certainly do not expound the truths they preach, only when one is achieved can you then help others and impart the teachings. khalsa is like a diamond. when we have a group of gemstones a diamond is the best cos it sparkles, are we all sparkling? cos when we are sparkling the people will see us and say i want that roop and where did you get it? initially this sort of conversion seems very shallow cos some people can't see, however when reading the sggs only a minority of people will convert because the sggs asks members of different faiths to be true to the ideals enshrined in each of their respective faiths, i say minority because there are the few who say we want to be part of such a faith which purports such an ideal of equality. It has nothing to do with logic.



Another method is like this one now where you are asking questions this is good it is a sign that you are willing to listen. You see there are various muslim and hindu bhagats whose writings were included in the sri guru granth sahib and they did not become Sikhs then why would I want to tell non-sikhs to become Sikhs, it is a free choice. farid was muslim/sufi, namdev was hindu bhagat etc etc they all did namaz etc or aarti but it was only after they inculcated a love for the divine that they repeated the name and therefore entered naam marg which is what sikhi believes in therefore the sentiment behind all faiths being a path to god is all religions have specific customs and literature and teachings these teachings help inculcate a love in the seeker to fall in love with god, when a person from another faith falls in love with god they transcend the teachings of their faith by repeating the name of god night and day with devotion and the lord answers their call and they acheive union. However this truth is not taught in other faiths therefore those faiths can never claim to be true, this is why sri guru granth sahib says the hindu is blind and the muslim is half blind because the truth is not found in their books.

Finally the gurdwara preaches everyday in some temples but to those who love the gurus message we don’t want to preach the message of Sikhism which we hold so dearly so it can fall on deaf ears would you go around selling something you loved on the streets and have it open to insult and ridicule by those who are not ready for such a message, the simple answer is no, when the seeker is ready a disciple in his gurus roop will appear. So far the only converts to Sikhism has been through vidya or knowledge, for eg, a lot of American and European converts converted through kundalini vidya, a lot of teenagers convert through shaster(martial arts) or gatka vidya, I think what I am trying to say is involve people through learning but not the intention to convert, what other than islam does your faith impart by ways of knowledge to the lay person? I can only think of the arabic language.

I'm kinda suprised at reading that all religions are right according to Sikhism, since i heard it says the other religions are false

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this quote shows that you have not understood anything i ever said to you in the past. Then when we get annoyed you say were not respectful.:heated:

ISDhillon

 

[Muezzin]

Thnx for reply. But it seems Sikhism is just limited to just Indians. I haven't seen any non-indians ever embrace Sikhism, i've heard of some rare conversions though. could you shed more light please

I saw this white Sikh dude in full Indian dress in a Post Office once.

It was... surreal.

(note: there's nothing wrong with being Sikh, or being white, or wearing Indian clothes. Just put yourself in my shoes and tell me that it's not surreal to see that combination in a Post Office queue of all places)

 

[Mohsin]

this quote shows that you have not understood anything i ever said to you in the past. Then when we get annoyed you say were not respectful.:heated:

ISDhillon

Lol maybe its because you dont explain well! ;D

Also its no excuse to start acting rudely and unrespectfully. Islam teaches us when you are under any due pressure, you need to be tolerant and fight the shaytaan and not let the anger get the better of you

Anyway, the reason i asked was because that is what it said on a website, and on OxfordIslam a sikh said it to me aswell.

And i still think its contradicting to believe Muhammed was a Prophet of Sikhism when he preached nothing like it, and i find it hard to believe how he would openly disobey God. Its illogical- Illogical not just in Islam but in general. But i cant argue with you here bro, you believe beyond the realm of logic

 

[ISDhillon]

And i still think its contradicting to believe Muhammed was a Prophet of Sikhism when he preached nothing like it, and i find it hard to believe how he would openly disobey God.

he was not a prophet of sikhism he was a prophet of god, there is a big difference, we do not care about anything before sikhism why should we? we would only care if we did not have our guru now but we do anytime i want to speak to god i can take hukumnamma from SGGS, no other religion has this thats why you need proof.

Its illogical- Illogical not just in Islam but in general. But i cant argue with you here bro, you believe beyond the realm of logic

[/QUOTE]

True so why do you keep mentioning it then? yeah yeah i know i know i'm being rude but i am not under pressure maybe its you who sees assertiveness as being rude, i know many asian families think any answering back to their elders is rude but luckily our parents brought us up to give killer jawaaab!!!!:rant:

BTW i hope you understand how their is no necessity for a logical god, that is merely an assumption on your behalf as i clearly highlighted in my last post on the impossible god, in fact my last post made clear sense so I do not understand what it is that you find hard to follow. Its very simple my scripture is incredibly logical even the parts which are deemed a contradiction are logical, because your mind cannot fathom such a thing you call it false but god has in fact proved his point that he is beyond the limits of human reason, it is erronous of you to label it false.

Have a nice day,

ISDhillon

 

[Khoza]

Thnx for replies

I see what you are saying that you dont go around converting people
But;

Didn't guru nanek travel around trying to preach Sikhism

Nope he told all Hindus and Muslims to live as good Hindus and Muslims to do good deeds and remember God. For example to the Muslims he said 'Let mercy be your mosque, faith your prayer-mat, and honest living your Koran. Make modesty your circumcision, and good conduct your fast. In this way, you shall be a true Muslim.'

 

[HeiGou]

And i still think its contradicting to believe Muhammed was a Prophet of Sikhism when he preached nothing like it, and i find it hard to believe how he would openly disobey God. Its illogical- Illogical not just in Islam but in general. But i cant argue with you here bro, you believe beyond the realm of logic

Perhaps you can understand how Muslims must sound to Christians and Jews when they claim Jesus and Moses were prophets of Islam?

 

[Mohsin]

Perhaps you can understand how Muslims must sound to Christians and Jews when they claim Jesus and Moses were prophets of Islam?

I think you're missing the point. We explain that they were Prophets of God,m in submission to him, and by definition were Muslim.

Here however, although it is preaching an entirely different and contradicting belief Sikhs maintain that they believe he is a prophet. It just confuses me.

Your example HeiGou isn't very good actually, because whenever i explain it to Christians or Jews they always understand our perspective and see what we are saying. You'll never see them confused. In fact its one of the main reasons Jews and Christians convert, they see how we believe in the Prophets of before and how we preserved their high and noble status

 

[HeiGou]

I think you're missing the point. We explain that they were Prophets of God,m in submission to him, and by definition were Muslim.

Here however, although it is preaching an entirely different and contradicting belief Sikhs maintain that they believe he is a prophet. It just confuses me.

Your example HeiGou isn't very good actually, because whenever i explain it to Christians or Jews they always understand our perspective and see what we are saying. You'll never see them confused. In fact its one of the main reasons Jews and Christians convert, they see how we believe in the Prophets of before and how we preserved their high and noble status

I don't think I am missing the point at all. You claim they were not Jews or Christians, but Muslims. It sounds exactly like what the Sikhs are saying to me. What is the difference?

Do you think that might have something to do with the fact that Christians and Jews are just very polite and don't care to argue over their religion? That Jews and Christians are taught to see other people's points of view and respect them? Very few Jews and Christians convert as it happens. And I am sure that any Sikh would tell you that they preserve Muhammed's high and noble status. I do not know though. Ask one.

 

[Mohsin]

What is hard to believe about all the prophets of God being submitters to him. By definition then they are Muslims. Many of them would never have said "I am a muslim", but by definition they are.

And HeiGou you are misssing the point because i don't think you quite understand the 2 perspectives

Islam says all Prophets came with the same message, but the people and folloowers have changed it in some way. Now this point is what Christians and Jews find difficult to understand. But the actual concept in Islam, that all Prophets are submitters to God, no Jew or Christian i have ever met has found that hard to understand.

Now Sikhism doesn't say all Prophets are Prophets of God and the followers changed it. Instead they say nothing has been changed but the religions that exist today in this current form are all right, even though they contradict each other in many ways.

Do you see what i am saying now?

 

[ISDhillon]

Now Sikhism doesn't say all Prophets are Prophets of God and the followers changed it. Instead they say nothing has been changed but the religions that exist today in this current form are all right, even though they contradict each other in many ways.

Do you see what i am saying now?

[/QUOTE]

no moss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have never said that, I have said what you said earlier this is even more proof that you have paid no attention in this debate, the post about religion and dharma illustrated the idea behind all religions starting off similar but then the people went astray, I dont believe the way you live today is right nor does sikhism, the defintion of islam in our religion is the true islam not the one you perform today, if you practiced islam the way our gurus says god wants you too then indeed all paths would be equal and a path to god!!!!!! sikhism teaches you what real islam was, I cant believe your responses to Heigou you have not taken in anything that I have said and it is not cos my sentences are non-understandable I suggest you take a day off college and re-read everything I have ever written on this forum.

wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the worst thing is i am labelled illogical.:grumbling

ISDhillon

 

[jss]

What is hard to believe about all the prophets of God being submitters to him. By definition then they are Muslims. Many of them would never have said "I am a muslim", but by definition they are.

And HeiGou you are misssing the point because i don't think you quite understand the 2 perspectives

Islam says all Prophets came with the same message, but the people and folloowers have changed it in some way. Now this point is what Christians and Jews find difficult to understand. But the actual concept in Islam, that all Prophets are submitters to God, no Jew or Christian i have ever met has found that hard to understand.

Now Sikhism doesn't say all Prophets are Prophets of God and the followers changed it. Instead they say nothing has been changed but the religions that exist today in this current form are all right, even though they contradict each other in many ways.

Do you see what i am saying now?

Hi Moss ji

From my limited understanding I will try and explain this.
Correct me if I am wrong but does not Islam say that it's the only true religion and other religions are either contradictory or false?

Okay try and look at things from another perspective.
God is the creator of all and prophets such as Muhammed (pbuh) and Jesus Christ worship this one God and we are all the creation of him.



Religions are like routes leading to the centre, some take longer than others.

आसा महला ५ ॥
aasaa mehlaa 5.
Aasaa, Fifth Mehl:


ਏਕੁ ਬਗੀਚਾ ਪੇਡ ਘਨ ਕਰਿਆ ॥
एकु बगीचा पेड घन करिआ ॥
ayk bageechaa payd ghan kari-aa.
There is a garden, in which so many plants have grown.


ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਨਾਮੁ ਤਹਾ ਮਹਿ ਫਲਿਆ ॥੧॥
अम्रित नामु तहा महि फलिआ ॥१॥
amrit naam tahaa meh fali-aa. ||1||
They bear the Ambrosial Nectar of the Naam as their fruit. ||1||


ਐਸਾ ਕਰਹੁ ਬੀਚਾਰੁ ਗਿਆਨੀ ॥
ऐसा करहु बीचारु गिआनी ॥
aisaa karahu beechaar gi-aanee.
Consider this, O wise one,


ਜਾ ਤੇ ਪਾਈਐ ਪਦੁ ਨਿਰਬਾਨੀ ॥
जा ते पाईऐ पदु निरबानी ॥
jaa tay paa-ee-ai pad nirbaanee.
by which you may attain the state of Nirvaanaa.


ਆਸਿ ਪਾਸਿ ਬਿਖੂਆ ਕੇ ਕੁੰਟਾ ਬੀਚਿ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਹੈ ਭਾਈ ਰੇ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
आसि पासि बिखूआ के कुंटा बीचि अम्रितु है भाई रे ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥
aas paas bikhoo-aa kay kuntaa beech amrit hai bhaa-ee ray. ||1|| rahaa-o.
All around this garden are pools of poison, but within it is the Ambrosial Nectar, O Siblings of Destiny. ||1||Pause||


ਸਿੰਚਨਹਾਰੇ ਏਕੈ ਮਾਲੀ ॥
सिंचनहारे एकै माली ॥
sinchanhaaray aikai maalee.
There is only one gardener who tends it.


ਖਬਰਿ ਕਰਤੁ ਹੈ ਪਾਤ ਪਤ ਡਾਲੀ ॥੨॥
खबरि करतु है पात पत डाली ॥२॥
khabar karat hai paat pat daalee. ||2||
He takes care of every leaf and branch. ||2||


ਸਗਲ ਬਨਸਪਤਿ ਆਣਿ ਜੜਾਈ ॥
सगल बनसपति आणि जड़ाई ॥
sagal banaspat aan jarhaa-ee.
He brings all sorts of plants and plants them there.


ਸਗਲੀ ਫੂਲੀ ਨਿਫਲ ਨ ਕਾਈ ॥੩॥
सगली फूली निफल न काई ॥३॥
saglee foolee nifal na kaa-ee. ||3||
They all bear fruit - none is without fruit. ||3||


ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਫਲੁ ਨਾਮੁ ਜਿਨਿ ਗੁਰ ਤੇ ਪਾਇਆ ॥
अम्रित फलु नामु जिनि गुर ते पाइआ ॥
amrit fal naam jin gur tay paa-i-aa.
One who receives the Ambrosial Fruit of the Naam from the Guru -


ਨਾਨਕ ਦਾਸ ਤਰੀ ਤਿਨਿ ਮਾਇਆ ॥੪॥੫॥੫੬॥
नानक दास तरी तिनि माइआ ॥४॥५॥५६॥
naanak daas taree tin maa-i-aa. ||4||5||56||
O Nanak, such a servant crosses over the ocean of Maya. ||4||5||56||

Ang, 385

Guru Nanak Dev Ji said "Truth is high but higher still is truthful living"


In this day and age the world is not following the attributes of religion which lead to truthful living. Rather than focusing focusing on slaying the inner demons of kaam,krodh,lobh,moh and ahankar which keep their minds restless and separate the soul from God:-


qRsnw lwgI ric rihAw AMqir haumY kUir ]
thrisanaa laagee rach rehiaa athar houmai koor ||
They are engrossed in clinging desires; within their hearts there is ego and falsehood.

Guru Arjan Dev Ji
Siree Raag
47

People from different denominations follow different things which they believe will take them closer to God. Some smother ashes over their bodies, some worship the dead, others idol worship etc but these rituals are of no avail.
They look for God on the outside but how many of them realise that God is within them.

ijn kY rwmu vsY mn mwih ]
jin kai raam vasai man maahi ||
within whose minds the Lord abides.

Guru Nanak Dev Ji
Jap
8

Only by followng the hukam of the Guru does the mortal become God realised and the dirt of the mind, from many lifetimes is washed away.


igAwn rqin mnu mwjIAY bhuiV n mYlw hoie ]
giaan rathan man maajeeai bahurr n mailaa hoe ||
When the mind is cleaned with the jewel of spiritual wisdom, it does not become dirty again.

Guru Nanak Dev Ji
Raag Maaroo
992


Guru means
Gu= from darkness
Ru= into light

The Guru has the power to grant mukhti (liberation) to the soul from the suffering of the cycle of reincarnation. By following the Guru's hukam and taking amrit can this be achieved. By taking amrit one becomes Khalsa.

http://www.sikhs.org/khalsa.htm

The Guru Granth Sahib Ji is the living Guru of the Sikhs. There were 10 mortal Guru's but the light of the Guru passed through the 10 mortal frames and now is in the Divine Guru Granth Sahib Ji. (SGGS)


SGGS tells us how to live a truthful life. For a Muslim:



सचु कमावै सोई काजी ॥
sach kamaavai so-ee kaajee.
He alone is a Qazi, who practices the Truth.


ਜੋ ਦਿਲੁ ਸੋਧੈ ਸੋਈ ਹਾਜੀ ॥
जो दिलु सोधै सोई हाजी ॥
jo dil soDhai so-ee haajee.
He alone is a Haji, a pilgrim to Mecca, who purifies his heart.


ਸੋ ਮੁਲਾ ਮਲਊਨ ਨਿਵਾਰੈ ਸੋ ਦਰਵੇਸੁ ਜਿਸੁ ਸਿਫਤਿ ਧਰਾ ॥੬॥
सो मुला मलऊन निवारै सो दरवेसु जिसु सिफति धरा ॥६॥
so mulaa mala-oon nivaarai so darvays jis sifat Dharaa. ||6||
He alone is a Mullah, who banishes evil; he alone is a saintly dervish, who takes the Support of the Lord's Praise. ||6||


ਸਭੇ ਵਖਤ ਸਭੇ ਕਰਿ ਵੇਲਾ ॥
सभे वखत सभे करि वेला ॥
sabhay vakhat sabhay kar vaylaa.
Always, at every moment,


ਖਾਲਕੁ ਯਾਦਿ ਦਿਲੈ ਮਹਿ ਮਉਲਾ ॥
खालकु यादि दिलै महि मउला ॥
khaalak yaad dilai meh ma-ulaa.
remember God, the Creator within your heart.


ਤਸਬੀ ਯਾਦਿ ਕਰਹੁ ਦਸ ਮਰਦਨੁ ਸੁੰਨਤਿ ਸੀਲੁ ਬੰਧਾਨਿ ਬਰਾ ॥੭॥
तसबी यादि करहु दस मरदनु सुंनति सीलु बंधानि बरा ॥७॥
tasbee yaad karahu das mardan sunat seel banDhaan baraa. ||7||
Let your meditation beads be the subjugation of the ten senses. Let good conduct and self-restraint be your circumcision. ||7||


ਦਿਲ ਮਹਿ ਜਾਨਹੁ ਸਭ ਫਿਲਹਾਲਾ ॥
दिल महि जानहु सभ फिलहाला ॥
dil meh jaanhu sabh filhaalaa.
You must know in your heart that everything is temporary.


ਖਿਲਖਾਨਾ ਬਿਰਾਦਰ ਹਮੂ ਜੰਜਾਲਾ ॥
खिलखाना बिरादर हमू जंजाला ॥
khilkhaanaa biraadar hamoo janjaalaa.
Family, household and siblings are all entanglements.


ਮੀਰ ਮਲਕ ਉਮਰੇ ਫਾਨਾਇਆ ਏਕ ਮੁਕਾਮ ਖੁਦਾਇ ਦਰਾ ॥੮॥
मीर मलक उमरे फानाइआ एक मुकाम खुदाइ दरा ॥८॥
meer malak umray faanaa-i-aa ayk mukaam khudaa-ay daraa. ||8||
Kings, rulers and nobles are mortal and transitory; only God's Gate is the permanent place. ||8||


ਅਵਲਿ ਸਿਫਤਿ ਦੂਜੀ ਸਾਬੂਰੀ ॥
अवलि सिफति दूजी साबूरी ॥
aval sifat doojee saabooree.
First, is the Lord's Praise; second, contentment;


ਤੀਜੈ ਹਲੇਮੀ ਚਉਥੈ ਖੈਰੀ ॥
तीजै हलेमी चउथै खैरी ॥
teejai halaymee cha-uthai khairee.
third, humility, and fourth, giving to charities.


ਪੰਜਵੈ ਪੰਜੇ ਇਕਤੁ ਮੁਕਾਮੈ ਏਹਿ ਪੰਜਿ ਵਖਤ ਤੇਰੇ ਅਪਰਪਰਾ ॥੯॥
पंजवै पंजे इकतु मुकामै एहि पंजि वखत तेरे अपरपरा ॥९॥
punjvai panjay ikat mukaamai ayhi panj vakhat tayray aparparaa. ||9||
Fifth is to hold one's desires in restraint. These are the five most sublime daily prayers. ||9||


ਸਗਲੀ ਜਾਨਿ ਕਰਹੁ ਮਉਦੀਫਾ ॥
सगली जानि करहु मउदीफा ॥
saglee jaan karahu ma-udeefaa.
Let your daily worship be the knowledge that God is everywhere.


ਬਦ ਅਮਲ ਛੋਡਿ ਕਰਹੁ ਹਥਿ ਕੂਜਾ ॥
बद अमल छोडि करहु हथि कूजा ॥
bad amal chhod karahu hath koojaa.
Let renunciation of evil actions be the water-jug you carry.


ਖੁਦਾਇ ਏਕੁ ਬੁਝਿ ਦੇਵਹੁ ਬਾਂਗਾਂ ਬੁਰਗੂ ਬਰਖੁਰਦਾਰ ਖਰਾ ॥੧੦॥
खुदाइ एकु बुझि देवहु बांगां बुरगू बरखुरदार खरा ॥१०॥
khudaa-ay ayk bujh dayvhu baaNgaaN burgoo barkhurdaar kharaa. ||10||
Let realization of the One Lord God be your call to prayer; be a good child of God - let this be your trumpet. ||10||


ਹਕੁ ਹਲਾਲੁ ਬਖੋਰਹੁ ਖਾਣਾ ॥
हकु हलालु बखोरहु खाणा ॥
hak halaal bakhorahu khaanaa.
Let what is earned righteously be your blessed food.


ਦਿਲ ਦਰੀਆਉ ਧੋਵਹੁ ਮੈਲਾਣਾ ॥
दिल दरीआउ धोवहु मैलाणा ॥
dil daree-aa-o Dhovahu mailaanaa.
Wash away pollution with the river of your heart.


ਪੀਰੁ ਪਛਾਣੈ ਭਿਸਤੀ ਸੋਈ ਅਜਰਾਈਲੁ ਨ ਦੋਜ ਠਰਾ ॥੧੧॥
पीरु पछाणै भिसती सोई अजराईलु न दोज ठरा ॥११॥
peer pachhaanai bhistee so-ee ajraa-eel na doj tharaa. ||11||
One who realizes the Prophet attains heaven. Azraa-eel, the Messenger of Death, does not cast him into hell. ||11||


ਕਾਇਆ ਕਿਰਦਾਰ ਅਉਰਤ ਯਕੀਨਾ ॥
काइआ किरदार अउरत यकीना ॥
kaa-i-aa kirdaar a-urat yakeenaa.
Let good deeds be your body, and faith your bride.


ਰੰਗ ਤਮਾਸੇ ਮਾਣਿ ਹਕੀਨਾ ॥
रंग तमासे माणि हकीना ॥
rang tamaasay maan hakeenaa.
Play and enjoy the Lord's love and delight.


ਨਾਪਾਕ ਪਾਕੁ ਕਰਿ ਹਦੂਰਿ ਹਦੀਸਾ ਸਾਬਤ ਸੂਰਤਿ ਦਸਤਾਰ ਸਿਰਾ ॥੧੨॥
नापाक पाकु करि हदूरि हदीसा साबत सूरति दसतार सिरा ॥१२॥
naapaak paak kar hadoor hadeesaa saabat soorat dastaar siraa. ||12||
Purify what is impure, and let the Lord's Presence be your religious tradition. Let your total awareness be the turban on your head. ||12||


ਮੁਸਲਮਾਣੁ ਮੋਮ ਦਿਲਿ ਹੋਵੈ ॥
मुसलमाणु मोम दिलि होवै ॥
musalmaan mom dil hovai.
To be Muslim is to be kind-hearted,


ਅੰਤਰ ਕੀ ਮਲੁ ਦਿਲ ਤੇ ਧੋਵੈ ॥
अंतर की मलु दिल ते धोवै ॥
antar kee mal dil tay Dhovai.
and wash away pollution from within the heart.


ਦੁਨੀਆ ਰੰਗ ਨ ਆਵੈ ਨੇੜੈ ਜਿਉ ਕੁਸਮ ਪਾਟੁ ਘਿਉ ਪਾਕੁ ਹਰਾ ॥੧੩॥
दुनीआ रंग न आवै नेड़ै जिउ कुसम पाटु घिउ पाकु हरा ॥१३॥
dunee-aa rang na aavai nayrhai ji-o kusam paat ghi-o paak haraa. ||13||
He does not even approach worldly pleasures; he is pure, like flowers, silk, ghee and the deer-skin. ||13||


ਜਾ ਕਉ ਮਿਹਰ ਮਿਹਰ ਮਿਹਰਵਾਨਾ ॥
जा कउ मिहर मिहर मिहरवाना ॥
jaa ka-o mihar mihar miharvaanaa.
One who is blessed with the mercy and compassion of the Merciful Lord,


ਸੋਈ ਮਰਦੁ ਮਰਦੁ ਮਰਦਾਨਾ ॥
सोई मरदु मरदु मरदाना ॥
so-ee marad marad mardaanaa.
is the manliest man among men.


ਸੋਈ ਸੇਖੁ ਮਸਾਇਕੁ ਹਾਜੀ ਸੋ ਬੰਦਾ ਜਿਸੁ ਨਜਰਿ ਨਰਾ ॥੧੪॥
सोई सेखु मसाइकु हाजी सो बंदा जिसु नजरि नरा ॥१४॥
so-ee saykh masaa-ik haajee so bandaa jis najar naraa. ||14||
He alone is a Shaykh, a preacher, a Haji, and he alone is God's slave, who is blessed with God's Grace. ||14||


ਕੁਦਰਤਿ ਕਾਦਰ ਕਰਣ ਕਰੀਮਾ ॥
कुदरति कादर करण करीमा ॥
kudrat kaadar karan kareemaa.
The Creator Lord has Creative Power; the Merciful Lord has Mercy.


ਸਿਫਤਿ ਮੁਹਬਤਿ ਅਥਾਹ ਰਹੀਮਾ ॥
सिफति मुहबति अथाह रहीमा ॥
sifat muhabat athaah raheemaa.
The Praises and the Love of the Merciful Lord are unfathomable.


ਹਕੁ ਹੁਕਮੁ ਸਚੁ ਖੁਦਾਇਆ ਬੁਝਿ ਨਾਨਕ ਬੰਦਿ ਖਲਾਸ ਤਰਾ ॥੧੫॥੩॥੧੨॥
हकु हुकमु सचु खुदाइआ बुझि नानक बंदि खलास तरा ॥१५॥३॥१२॥
hak hukam sach khudaa-i-aa bujh naanak band khalaas taraa. ||15||3||12||
Realize the True Hukam, the Command of the Lord, O Nanak; you shall be released from bondage, and carried across. ||15||3||12||

Ang, 1084

Taking reinarnation into consideration, by living truthfully and following Gods will the soul will move towards God, not away from him with the main aim of merging with God which is the ultimate bliss or paradise.


Following Gods will is regardless of any religion, there are no false religions as all paths lead to the same destination. Some may take longer than others but they are all going the same way and the Guru Granth Sahib ji emphasises the right way of living and of reaching God.

Thats how I see it

Alhu eyku msIiq bsqu hY Avru mulKu iksu kyrw ]
alahu eaek maseeth basath hai avar mulakh kis kaeraa ||
If the Lord Allah lives only in the mosque, then to whom does the rest of the world belong?

Bhagat Kabeer Ji
Raag Prabhaatee
1349

 

[Daffodil]

Sikhism came about to mix pelythesism and monethism together, however as we all know, that just does work, its like trying to mix oil and water. u cant one omnipitant god but then have loads of others as well. it just does not work.

Did u know that 10 percent of reverts to islam are infact sikh.

 

[jss]

Sikhism came about to mix pelythesism and monethism together, however as we all know, that just does work, its like trying to mix oil and water. u cant one omnipitant god but then have loads of others as well. it just does not work.

Did u know that 10 percent of reverts to islam are infact sikh.

Worshipping more than one God,lol how does that fit in with Sikh thought?
Maybe you should actually try researching what Sikhi is.

Really 10%. Care to share the census info with everyone else

 

[Daffodil]

Worshipping more than one God,lol how does that fit in with Sikh thought?
Maybe you should actually try researching what Sikhi is.

Really 10%. Care to share the census info with everyone else

as in they mixed hinduism (religion based on polythiesm) and islam (religion based on monethism) and called it sikhism

its like adding 1 and 1 and making 10 million it just dnt work.

and by the way i wud try researching what sikh is but all the sikhs i know or knew dont even have a clu themselves, as theyre so confused. My old best mate used to be sikh. she even took her shahada infact n started reading namaz n fasting with us subhanallah! she sed she always wanted to be muslim.

 

[ISDhillon]

My old best mate used to be sikh. she even took her shahada infact n started reading namaz n fasting with us subhanallah! she sed she always wanted to be muslim.

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be honest there is no freind is there? its just what makes you feel good, dont be jealous daffodil you may be a rose in your next life ;D