What does Islam say about wealth and heaven?

[Zafran]

Ofocurse it a free choice - is someone forcing you to believe in God????

Its very simple - follow the all wise or follow the ignorant - its not realy a difficult choice at all - thats if you believe in God.

 

[Zafran]

If prophets were sinless then they could not reach heaven if the Bible is to be believed.

have you researched Islam or read the Quran translation???? You your using the bible - the christain have the view that only Jesus was sinless - whilst Muslims believe that all prophets were the best humans and sinless.

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

What free choice from God?

My way or burn forever in hell.

That is not free choice it is an ultimatum.

Regards
DL

No. He has given you the choice to believe or disbelieve. What you do and how u behave in this world is how God will judge you. Despite ones disbelief in God, God provides for His creation yet most are ungrateful. Those who have less than we do are more grateful than those who have. For them, each piece of meal is a blessing because they know the struggle they went through to earn it.

God wants man to sin.

God does not want man to sin but to obey Him and enjoin good by forbidding evil. People take the choice to sin and disbelieve but God has also given you the choice to do good and believe in Him. The question is, which will you choose?

 

[Great I am not]

Ofocurse it a free choice - is someone forcing you to believe in God????

Its very simple - follow the all wise or follow the ignorant - its not realy a difficult choice at all - thats if you believe in God.

If you believe in God, Why?

Tradition, your daddy did and your grand daddy did and great gr----
Peer pressure from the society that you belong to.
Personal knowledge.
Faith.

I believe from logic that lead to personal experience. Not to a miracle working God but to our real one.

Regards
DL

 

[Great I am not]

have you researched Islam or read the Quran translation???? You your using the bible - the christain have the view that only Jesus was sinless - whilst Muslims believe that all prophets were the best humans and sinless.

The only problem with beliefs like that is that they cannot be proven.

To me, faith without facts is foolish.

Regards
DL

 

[Great I am not]

No. He has given you the choice to believe or disbelieve. What you do and how u behave in this world is how God will judge you. Despite ones disbelief in God, God provides for His creation yet most are ungrateful. Those who have less than we do are more grateful than those who have. For them, each piece of meal is a blessing because they know the struggle they went through to earn it.



God does not want man to sin but to obey Him and enjoin good by forbidding evil. People take the choice to sin and disbelieve but God has also given you the choice to do good and believe in Him. The question is, which will you choose?

My choice was forced on me by God himself. Not the miracle working God but the true God of this world.

The view of Islam as to how God judges belief and goodness of the heart without belief, is more just than the Bible God it seems. Good.

Regards
DL

 

[Zafran]

If you believe in God, Why?

Tradition, your daddy did and your grand daddy did and great gr----
Peer pressure from the society that you belong to.
Personal knowledge.
Faith.

I believe from logic that lead to personal experience. Not to a miracle working God but to our real one.

Regards
DL

salaam

I believe in God because of the great miracle called the Quran - its not just a book but also a linguistic miracle - not because daddy says it - Islam is actually against that sort of thinking.

You can believe a lot of things from Logic although belief in God IMO sits well with human mind and the fitrah which is the innate natural belief of human beings.

I also believe Islam makes the most sense from all the monothesitic religions and once again sits well with my fitrah.

You dont believe in a miracle working God but a real one???? what does that mean?

You always use the bible - I'm not realy sure how much you know about Islam and the Quran? thats why i asked if you read the translation?

 

[Zafran]

The only problem with beliefs like that is that they cannot be proven.

To me, faith without facts is foolish.

Regards
DL

Faith in religion cannot be falsifiable - you also have beliefs that cannot be proven by facts -

what muslims and many other faiths do have is a common revelation.

 

[Great I am not]

The problem with belief in a creator God who has a hell for sinners, is that if He is the creator of souls and natures and they are created perfect, then you must think He can create these wrong otherwise perfect souls and natures would always do what they are intended to do. If they do not then the creation process must be faulty. If not faulty then there is no hell required as we would all end in heaven.

No other conclusion is possible. All must follow their natures. It is not possible to go against one's nature.

Regards
DL

 

[Tony]

The problem with belief in a creator God who has a hell for sinners, is that if He is the creator of souls and natures and they are created perfect, then you must think He can create these wrong otherwise perfect souls and natures would always do what they are intended to do. If they do not then the creation process must be faulty. If not faulty then there is no hell required as we would all end in heaven.

No other conclusion is possible. All must follow their natures. It is not possible to go against one's nature.

Regards
DL

Allah changes destinies for those who truly change in their hearts and acknowledge his oneness,we have free will to choose this. our lot remains, ie if we were written for wealth or sickness etc, but Allah helps those who believe

 

[Great I am not]

salaam

I believe in God because of the great miracle called the Quran - its not just a book but also a linguistic miracle - not because daddy says it - Islam is actually against that sort of thinking.

You can believe a lot of things from Logic although belief in God IMO sits well with human mind and the fitrah which is the innate natural belief of human beings.

I also believe Islam makes the most sense from all the monothesitic religions and once again sits well with my fitrah.

You dont believe in a miracle working God but a real one???? what does that mean?

You always use the bible - I'm not realy sure how much you know about Islam and the Quran? thats why i asked if you read the translation?

When I was into reading Bibles, I have read 8 different traditions, I did read the Quran. That was many years ago and to be honest, the way I read Bibles then was to absorb any logical philosophy in them and discard the rest.
All Bibles have value for thought and I use the K J because most of my talks are with Christians. It was it more than any other that helped me find my God.

That Godhead is more of a cosmic consciousness where all our souls will end up. In this we have no choice so the notion of us being able to separate ourselves from God are false.

It is my belief that ancient man, the prophets, found Him as well but they made Him into the wish list miracle working God that most believe in. It is obvious to me that if a such a God did exist, then He would not be the absentee God that He is. He would be here for all to see.

If He ever did exist then He was absorbed by the big bang or destroyed by it. We no longer have access either way to that one.

Regards
DL

 

[Zafran]

The problem with belief in a creator God who has a hell for sinners, is that if He is the creator of souls and natures and they are created perfect, then you must think He can create these wrong otherwise perfect souls and natures would always do what they are intended to do. If they do not then the creation process must be faulty. If not faulty then there is no hell required as we would all end in heaven.

No other conclusion is possible. All must follow their natures. It is not possible to go against one's nature.

Regards
DL

By perfect meaning that God made man in perfect statue - But your view of thinking is fatalistic - Your the one being tried to sin or not sin or to sin and repent - you decide where you go - heaven and hell - God has given you choice with certain limits such as sex, skin colour pace of birth etc.

You decide your own future - there is a hell as there are wrongdoers in earth - people choose to do wrong.

Furthermore as muslims we believe this life is a test for us - we are meant to be learning.

 

[Zafran]

When I was into reading Bibles, I have read 8 different traditions, I did read the Quran. That was many years ago and to be honest, the way I read Bibles then was to absorb any logical philosophy in them and discard the rest.
All Bibles have value for thought and I use the K J because most of my talks are with Christians. It was it more than any other that helped me find my God.

That Godhead is more of a cosmic consciousness where all our souls will end up. In this we have no choice so the notion of us being able to separate ourselves from God are false.

It is my belief that ancient man, the prophets, found Him as well but they made Him into the wish list miracle working God that most believe in. It is obvious to me that if a such a God did exist, then He would not be the absentee God that He is. He would be here for all to see.

If He ever did exist then He was absorbed by the big bang or destroyed by it. We no longer have access either way to that one.

Regards
DL

Thats your understanding - how do you know God is absent - Just because you cant see God does not mean God is absent. Furthermore how do you know those mircales didnt happen - what if they did happen - what if the prophets were actually receiving revelation - they certainlty have made a major impact in the world.

Think before the big bang - if you know logic you would know the Kalam cosmological argumnet - God would be before the big bang and is stronger then the big bang - as God is all powerful.

 

[Great I am not]

Faith in religion cannot be falsifiable - you also have beliefs that cannot be proven by facts -

what muslims and many other faiths do have is a common revelation.

It is true that ii cannot prove the existence of my God any better than anyone else can for theirs but I do have some facts to go on.

In the spirit, a term the old prophets used to indicate their contact with God I call in modern term, telepathy.
I had two such experiences with telepathy. The first with my wife, and the second with what I call the Godhead.
If the first had not happened and been confirmed by my wife, I would not likely believe the second.
Because I cannot deny telepathy then I am forced to believe that I had contact with the Godhead.
I did not believe before this but did seek answers to God by debate and discussions.
I have no great revelation to speak of. It was, now that I understand our true reality, not that exciting of a deal.
He/It confirmed my thinking on religious issues and chastised me for not thinking demographically enough and that is about it.

Most do not believe me and I do not push this belief because as I say, I cannot prove it, but am happy to speak of it.

Even Abraham, Moses and Mohamed did not have real proof.

Regards
DL

 

[Great I am not]

Allah changes destinies for those who truly change in their hearts and acknowledge his oneness,we have free will to choose this. our lot remains, ie if we were written for wealth or sickness etc, but Allah helps those who believe

If belief is not required for entry into heaven and a good heart is all that is needed, then the help here is relatively insignificant. small gifts are always nice though.

Regards
DL

 

[Zafran]

It is true that ii cannot prove the existence of my God any better than anyone else can for theirs but I do have some facts to go on.

In the spirit, a term the old prophets used to indicate their contact with God I call in modern term, telepathy.
I had two such experiences with telepathy. The first with my wife, and the second with what I call the Godhead.
If the first had not happened and been confirmed by my wife, I would not likely believe the second.
Because I cannot deny telepathy then I am forced to believe that I had contact with the Godhead.
I did not believe before this but did seek answers to God by debate and discussions.
I have no great revelation to speak of. It was, now that I understand our true reality, not that exciting of a deal.
He/It confirmed my thinking on religious issues and chastised me for not thinking demographically enough and that is about it.

Most do not believe me and I do not push this belief because as I say, I cannot prove it, but am happy to speak of it.

Even Abraham, Moses and Mohamed did not have real proof.

Regards
DL

salaam

Oh yes they did - they had revelation and made major impacts on there community or the people that came after - they also had prophicies but most of all miracles. Thye did have real proofs - if you were there when the sea split and would call that proof - or brought a revelation like the Quran - thats proof.

If anyone wanted to be a skeptic even you could deny Telepathy - just look for another explanition.

 

[Zafran]

If belief is not required for entry into heaven and a good heart is all that is needed, then the help here is relatively insignificant. small gifts are always nice though.

Regards
DL

Belief is part of having a good heart - so is being a morally upright person - all these things effect to create a sound heart.

 

[Great I am not]

By perfect meaning that God made man in perfect statue - But your view of thinking is fatalistic - Your the one being tried to sin or not sin or to sin and repent - you decide where you go - heaven and hell - God has given you choice with certain limits such as sex, skin colour pace of birth etc.

You decide your own future - there is a hell as there are wrongdoers in earth - people choose to do wrong.

Furthermore as muslims we believe this life is a test for us - we are meant to be learning.

I am not fatalist, I am a realist. Things are what they are. That is all.

I agree that we are here to learn but we have no restrictions. It is obvious that man has dominion here on earth. Who else makes laws and enforces them if not man.

When people do wrong they are following their natures. If you believe that God makes our souls and natures then if things are not what He wants then it is to Him not to create us as we are.

As to sex. In this country the state says that it has no business in the bedrooms of the nation. This is the correct policy and I take it further and say that if there is a god then He too has no business in the bedrooms of the nation. Man should and is allowed to follow his nature. The only restrictions should be if a victim is being created by his or her actions.

Regards
DL

 

[Great I am not]

salaam

Oh yes they did - they had revelation and made major impacts on there community or the people that came after - they also had prophicies but most of all miracles. Thye did have real proofs - if you were there when the sea split and would call that proof - or brought a revelation like the Quran - thats proof.

If anyone wanted to be a skeptic even you could deny Telepathy - just look for another explanition.

To deny telepathy, I would have to convince my wife that she had a delusion. You do not know my wife. I do not have the balls to try to force a lie on her.

If God is as all powerful as you think then He should have the power to show Himself.

If you want to believe miracles happened then do so. If you do then you would believe in the great food and believe that a god that makes all things perfect would have to destroy His perfect works including so called evil children and babies and animals. Explain how children. Babies and animals can be evil.

As to hell, it would be completely unjust for men who can only sin for 120 yrs. , to have a sentence of 1200000000000000000000000+ yrs imposed on them. Both unjust and Religulous.
Have you seen that movie BTW.

To think that little sinners like you and I would spend eternity with a Hitler and Stalin and God Himself as the greatest genocidal maniac is just too silly to even consider.

Regards
DL

 

[Great I am not]

Belief is part of having a good heart - so is being a morally upright person - all these things effect to create a sound heart.

My heart was the same before I believed in my God as after. You said belief was not required did you not?

Regards
DL