What If Israel Had Never Been Created?

[Dahir]

ANSWERING THE REAL QUESTION:

What if Israel had never been Created?

Well, we would have no one to blame all the world's problems on!

When I wake up in the morning 5 minutes late, I blame Israel for doing so.
When bombs go off in Guatemala, I blame them violent Israelis.
When I get harrassed by bullies, I blame Israel for creating bullies.
When I am embarrassed about something, I blame Israel for creating embarrassment.
When I'm having fun, I usually wait for it to die down so I can blame Israel for taking it away.


Israel is the world's [only] scapegoat, let her hang around, because who'd we blame if it were not for her?



*GOOD NIGHT*

 

[Woodrow]

No fighting. I do not have much patience with personal attacks.

 

[Dahir]

No fighting. I do not have much patience with personal attacks.

:-\

I think it was the 'other two' who were fighting, I was just pointing out that Israel makes a wonderful scapegoat, even for tedious problems.

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Nah it wasnt a fight. Dont make it sound like one! =\

 

[Dahir]

Nah it wasnt a fight. Dont make it sound like one! =\

Okay. That was Woodrow. And the fight's over. Continue the topic.

 

[GARY]

Thanks mostly to U.S. President Harry S. Truman and his “susceptibility to Zionist influence,” Israel came into existence in 1948.

The question doesn't really make sense. Israel was not created in 1948. It was around long before that.

 

[Woodrow]

The question doesn't really make sense. Israel was not created in 1948. It was around long before that.

There never was a nation called Israel until 1948. there were Israeli's but no specific country called Israel. Israelis lived in various city states such as Judea, Nazareth, Jerusalem, Bethlehem, etc. But the area was never called Israel until 1948. The people were called Israelis or the children of Israel nearly since the begining of recorded history.

 

[Twotribes]

If Isreal had not been formed or had been destroyed in 1948 the land of "palastine" would have been divided up amongst Jordan, Syria and Egypt. The jews living there would most likely have been hounded and driven out ( remember the Mufta of Jerusalam was calling for that very event)

The real question I would ask is "Why Didnt the Arabs living in "palastine" not form their own Country" They would have had the lions share of the land and Isreal wouldnt be now accused of "siezing" it.

 

[Curious girl2]

Interesting but no doubt the people would find something else to kill others over. Its the nature of all humanity I fear.

I wonder though, what would happen/would have happened if there had been one state? Call it Isreal or Palestine, whatever you will. But all peoples have equal rights, same jobs, use same schools, right to live wherever they want, equal funding, would there have been the same problems?

Peace
CG

 

[abdmez]

There never was a nation called Israel until 1948. there were Israeli's but no specific country called Israel.

What about the "Kingdom of Israel". Is that related or totaly different?

 

[sister herb]

What about the "Kingdom of Israel". Is that related or totaly different?

;D

Now in "Israel" are living "Palestinians" whose are not Palestinians because they are non-Jew Israelis...

Israeli government votes yes to discrimination against Palestinians within its boundaries
(Jerusalem) Maisa Abu Ghazaleh
Wednesday, 29 November 2006
A proposal to withhold confidence against the new Israeli Knesset was submitted due to racism against the Arab sector within Israeli boundaries.

In the Israeli Knesset there are several Palestinian members, although they are not officially allowed to be called Palestinian. A Knesset Spokeswoman said, “They are not Palestinian. They have to be citizens of Israel.” So there are Palestinians living inside the current Israeli boundaries who are considered Arab members of the Israeli Parliament.

Sheikh Abbas Zcor addressed the Knesset, both the Arabs and Jews, proposing to withhold confidence from the government due to the discriminatory policy against the center of the Arab social, educational and economic spheres. For instance, Palestinians living inside Israeli boundaries with Israeli citizenship and identification are short 5,000 classrooms. They have Israeli passports, but there official status is “non-Jew,” and funding for their schools is inadequate.

Sheikh Zcor gave a moving speech in support of a no-confidence vote against the government, but to no avail. His proposal had the support of only 10 votes, with 27 votes going in favor of the discriminatory policy against the Arab sector in budgeting.

The Sheikh pointed out several of the manifestations of discrimination before members of the Knesset, including cuts imposed by the government on the Arab sector in the state budget for 2007, continuing cuts in funding allocated for youth and the elderly, and the increasing rate of poverty. Fifty nine percent of Palestinian children inside Israeli boundaries are impoverished. Within Israeli boundaries the death rate among Palestinian children is two and a half times that of Jewish children.

The Israeli Knesset has already moved to bar Palestinian members.

by PNN as http://english.pnn.ps/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1099&Itemid=1

All of this sounds very logical... :muddlehea

 

[Woodrow]

What about the "Kingdom of Israel". Is that related or totaly different?

My understanding is "The Kingdom of Israel" is reference to all Jews no matter where they may be. Similar to our concept of Ummah.


EDIT ADDED: I should point out that the concept of a country called Israel and the presence of when Jews occupied the area are 2 different thoughts. We are dealing with 2 seperate, although related things.

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

Of course all those statements rely on the belief that terrorism is all because of Israel, which I don't believe is the case.

Bold statement, but could you please cite at least two 'terrorist' attacks that were launched BEFORE the Judean occupation of Palestine?

I mean, that's only fair.

Ninth Scribe

BTW: Sonz, I'm going to download this page to use in my references journal because I have never seen a more complete list.

 

[Keltoi]

Bold statement, but could you please cite at least two 'terrorist' attacks that were launched BEFORE the Judean occupation of Palestine?

I mean, that's only fair.

Ninth Scribe

BTW: Sonz, I'm going to download this page to use in my references journal because I have never seen a more complete list.

There was alot of violence between Arabs and Jews post Word War I. The anti-Jewish riots in 1920 and 1921, which included the murder of the author Y. Brenner is one example of pre-Israel violence against Jews in the region. And the massacre of the Jewish residents of Hebron in 1929 would be another example. All these were before the state of Israel was established. I believe much of this is simply a hatred of Jews, which manifests itself against the state of Israel. I'm speaking of Hamas and Hezbollah, who have stated repeatedly that even if Israel removes its presence from the West Band and Gaza Strip they will continue to seek the destruction of Israel. So you can hardly remove the word "Israel" out of the equation, but I don't believe the violence against Jews in the Middle East suddenly appeared due to the creation of a state, because it existed long before.

 

[IzakHalevas]

Bold statement, but could you please cite at least two 'terrorist' attacks that were launched BEFORE the Judean occupation of Palestine?

1.) 47 Jews killed, 140 wounded in "Bloody Passover" massacre, March 1920

The first Arab riots of the Mandate period took place in Jerusalem in the intermediary days of Passover, in March 1920 ("Bloody Passover"). They were instigated by Arabs acting on unfounded rumors of Jewish actions against Arabs. The British military authorities did not intervene in the Arab attacks, while Vladimir Jabotinsky and other Jews were arrested for organizing a self-defense league. In April 1920, Joseph Trumpeldor and others were killed in the defense of Tel Hai, a settlement in the Upper Galilee. These developments led to the founding of the Haganah on June 15, 1920.
Haj Amin al-Husseini emerged as one of the leaders of the 1920 Arab riots in Palestine and incited the masses to murder Jews and loot their homes. While only in his late twenties, he became the youngest ever Mufti of Jerusalem in 1921, supported by the British.

May 1921 brought new violence in Jaffa followed by large-scale attacks on Rehovot, Petah Tikva, and other Jewish areas. The death toll among the Jews was 47 with 140 wounded. Yosef Hayyim Brenner, the distinguished socialist pioneer and author, was among those murdered. Arab casualties of 48 killed and 73 wounded were almost entirely due to British military action. The main lesson was the power of the Arab masses and the relative ineffectiveness of the Jewish defense.

Sir Herbert Samuel, The High Commissioner, yielded to the demonstration of power: he ordered a temporary halt to Jewish immigration and began negotiations with the Arab Executive Committee. The outcome of these negotiations was the June 1922 White Paper issued by Colonial Secretary Winston Churchill.
The riots were investigated by the Haycraft Commission, who said in their summary report:

• The racial strife was begun by the Arabs, and rapidly developed into a conflict of great violence between Arabs and Jews, in which the Arab majority, who were generally the aggressors, inflicted most of the casualties.

But then the Commission rationalized the cause of the attack, in a pattern that is still seen in the 21st Century:

• The fundamental cause of the riots was a feeling among the Arabs of discontent with, and hostility to, the Jews, due to political and economic causes, and connected with Jewish immigration, and with their conception of Zionist policy as derived from Jewish exponents.

This pattern repeated itself over the decades: Arab riots with Jewish casualties, British official inquiry, followed by appeasement of the Arabs.

2.) Seventeen Jews die first day from AlHusseini's terrorist groups targeting Jews

In April 1936, riots broke out in Jaffa commencing a three-year period of violence and civil strife in Palestine that is known as the Arab Revolt. The Arab Higher Committee, headed by the Mufti Haj Amin al-Husseini, led the campaign of terrorism against Jewish and British targets.
The Arabs began by proclaiming an Arab general strike and boycott of Jewish enterprises and products. They made demands on the British Mandate administration, principally:

The strike quickly led to a campaign of terror against Jewish people and lands. Seventeen Jews were killed the first day, with little action by the British to stop the rioters. Sparked by the Mufti's agitators, armed bands of Arab terrorists attacked Jewish villages and vehicles, as well as British Army and police forces. By August 1936, responding more to attacks on British assets than to the Jewish losses, the British began a military crack-down on the Arab terrorists.