What is a Misyar Marriage?

[searchingsoul]

Do you think it arrangement could possible be ok for Christians..e.g like a couple make an agreement between themselves and God..without a vicar..would that be legal in the eyes of the Christian God/

what do you think?

I think it would be legal in the eyes of God. God knows the heart and intentions of people. In many ways it may be more valid than a marriage carried out in a church ceremony.

I just find this Misyar Marriage concept to be rather liberal, which surprises me.

 

[Nicola]

I think it would be legal in the eyes of God. God knows the heart and intentions of people. In many ways it may be more valid than a marriage carried out in a church ceremony.

I just find this Misyar Marriage concept to be rather liberal, which surprises me.

thanks for you opinion

I have heard of these kinds of marriages before, having friends in the ME..but I'd like to know why Allah changed the rules ...to allow these kinds of marriages.

 

[Noora_z3]

thanks for you opinion

I have heard of these kinds of marriages before, having friends in the ME..but I'd like to know why Allah changed the rules ...to allow these kinds of marriages.

NO dont get it all wrong here, Allah didnt change the rules or anything like that.

First of all, this kind of marrige was here in the Kingdom since like 300 yrs back, scholrs of saudi r divided in this matter, some say they r totally against it, n it doesnt have any basis in the Islamic Sharia, n some say that nothing is wrong bout it as long as it fullfills certain criteria....hence small number of ppl parcticed that marrige...

I did some research here, the intresting thing is this wen I ask the ppl here, they dont really know by whom this marrige was legalised in the Kingdom? Did Lajnat Al-Ifta'a legalise it?!...dont know...was it legalised by the goverment?!..if yes...on wat basis did they legalize it?!

Since i live here n intrract with Saudis, I will check it out. Insha Allah.

 

[Nicola]

NO dont get it all wrong here, Allah didnt change the rules or anything like that.

First of all, this kind of marrige was here in the Kingdom since like 300 yrs back, scholrs of saudi r divided in this matter, some say they r totally against it, n it doesnt have any basis in the Islamic Sharia, n some say that nothing is wrong bout it as long as it fullfills certain criteria....hence small number of ppl parcticed that marrige...

I did some research here, the intresting thing is this wen I ask the ppl here, they dont really know by whom this marrige was legalised in the Kingdom? Did Lajnat Al-Ifta'a legalise it?!...dont know...was it legalised by the goverment?!..if yes...on wat basis did they legalize it?!

Since i live here n intrract with Saudis, I will check it out. Insha Allah.

thanks., will be interesting to find out..does that mean if it isn't in the Shaira law...it isn't from Allah then?

 

[Muezzin]

thanks., will be interesting to find out..does that mean if it isn't in the Shaira law...it isn't from Allah then?

Yep.

Personally, I think this whole 'temporary marriage' thing is a load of nonsense. I've heard certain imams calling it a glorified form of zina - adultery or fornication. I agree with them.

 

[Snowflake]

So if a financially independant woman married a man waiving her rights to maintenance she'd be commiting adultery? What a sensible conclusion!

If she marries into polygamy and decides two days a week is enough for her to see her husband considering his other commitments, she is participating in gloried zinna? Even though she's done nikah but only exempted her husband of certain duties? That's zinaa? Haha don't make me laugh!

Masayr marriage does NOT divest one of their rights of just treament, love, loyalty and upholding a marriage in an islamic manner. Nor is it an excuse to do so. How is that equal to zinna? For God's sake open up your minds a little.

 

[Muezzin]

Fair enough. I still don't like them.

 

[Snowflake]

Fair enough. It's only suitable for certain situations anyway. I'm glad you saw my point though.

 

[Muezzin]

Yeah Muezzin... i don't like them either... you were talking about misyar right?

That and chavs, yes.

 

[dilkadr]

Can someone help explain this to me? I have tried to look it up on Wikipedia but I am still confused. I thought temporary marriages were banned in Islam? How can a proper Islamic marriage be temporary and without obligations? Is this permitted in Islam and if so, why?

Busy days for Saudi matchmakers
Published: Monday, 15 May, 2006, 11:35 AM Doha Time

RIYADH: Professional matchmakers in Saudi Arabia have boosted their business by 60% following the legalisation of ‘misyar’, a temporary marriage without obligations.

The Saudi newspaper Arab News said one reason why people resort to such secret but legal options is to avoid family responsibilities and others such as housing a woman and rearing her children.

The paper said ‘misyar’ has grown in popularity in the business community, among educated people and among women with private income as well as with the poor.

The increasing number of unmarried women is why such marriages have become more acceptable, said the paper. – DPA​

Well, you are right temporary marriage [Mutah] or Marriage without Obligations [Misyar] are not allowed in Islam.

However, people can tailor matrimonial contract [Nikkah] according to their specific needs, or socio-economic conditions while remaining in the limits of Islam.

However, a deadline (termination date) can never be set in Nikkah, Likewise a man can not say he is not responsible for his wife howvere he maybe unable to support his family financially.

There are examples of common men getting married with higher class women.

I am compiling a table to compare nikkah with mutah and misyar kindly have a look and forward you comment to me to update this table http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p26yOk6_HxySgRnB5W3OBfQ

Allah Knows Bets

 

[dilkadr]

It's a bit like having a boy/girl friend.

But the intention of this is wrong, as you should marry only if you have the means to do so, and you shouldn't marry for the wrong reasons, rather, you should be able to provide and take care of the wife.

I mean the intention is only temporary pleasure...I don't know....someone correct me, but this doesn't go down too well in my books, this is just morally wrong.

You are right to some extent... one should marry when he has means to get married. But it is not necessary one must find a life partner in the same socio-economic circle. A man look a few levels above or down.

In fact Muslim men and women should chose life partner on the basis of pity not on physical or financial attributes.

Having financial means is good but not necessary.

That is where the idea of misyar comes into action. But even then intention must be to start a family and to avoid from sin not the temporary fun.

One more thing I like to add, Saudis are not standard of Muslims - they are same as any other nation on this earth and may fall victim of false ideas. Previously, wealth of oil have introduced many lavish customs among Saudi Society - Misyar is sort of relief for common Saudi men and women too. I heard during my stay in Saudi Arabia (2000 to 2002) it is required to have minimum SR 30,000 to get married and salaries are like SR 3,000 / month and expanses are so high. This SR 30,000 was the case of my colleague who was a common office worker.

Allah Knows Bet, May Allah Bless All Of Us With Best Of His Bounties.

 

[dilkadr]

I can find Mut'ah marriages without any problem but they must be illegal in Saudi Arabia as they are elsewhere in the >cough< >cough< part of the Muslim world.

So are these just Mut'ah marriages in disguise (which I can't believe) or are they something else? Are they new or have they been around for a while?

Well, if someone want to have extra fun then there are so many avenues (girl friends, dating, commercial sex service providers and a lot lot more)

Why one must opt for nikkah, nikkah-ul-muttah or nikkah-al-misyar. I feel all these are just to abstain from SIN

 

[dilkadr]

Thank you to the person who provided the links. This is obviously not legalised prostitution although I was interested in one of the above links saying this,

Eyad comes from another Arab country and is married to a Saudi woman in a Mesyar arrangement. “Our marriage is more like a business deal that we both agreed to. She wants a husband and children, something that I am willing to give to her. She does not care is she sees me once or twice a week. What I need from her is money and financial aid in this country. It is something that she gives me. We live by this agreement and we are both happy.”​

I am, rarely for me, speechless.

(Although I thought that Saudi Arabia prohibited foreigners marrying Saudi women? Anyway I forsee problems so I think I'll leave this thread here)

It is the way how contracts work, and marriage is also a contract of social nature...

Allah Knows Best

 

[dilkadr]

I don't see it that way. You can say it's a marriage of convenience, last resort for women who can't get husbands until their late age. Rather than finish off life alone and without children... or worse fate, prostitution, this could be more dignified for them. And it's within legal framework. Furthermore, it is really up to the woman's consent as is conventional marriage... on other hand, I would say it required mutual consent.

Maybe a bit unethical, but halal. Personally, I'd rather go condemn forced marriages rather than this.

Quiet true and positive perspective... mostly we are chasing the ideal things, but real things are crude...

 

[dilkadr]

quote=Muslim Knight;311207]I don't see it that way. You can say it's a marriage of convenience, last resort for women who can't get husbands until their late age. Rather than finish off life alone and without children... or worse fate, prostitution, this could be more dignified for them. And it's within legal framework. Furthermore, it is really up to the woman's consent as is conventional marriage... on other hand, I would say it required mutual consent.

Maybe a bit unethical, but halal. Personally, I'd rather go condemn forced marriages rather than this.[/quote]
I agree with you and the term marriage of convenience is more appropriate. There are time when we (men) are financially borke, or unestablished or have poor income or woen have have past theri prime ages for marriage, or they are youn widows and need someone for physical needs (sorry to say but it is how humans are) or there could be more reasons for it then I may know.

However, Misyar is nothing but a Simple Nikkah for Socio-Economically Special People.

Still, Man is responsible (socially, legaly, if not financially) for his wife even if he has less income or resources then his wife. As this world is a patriarchal world.

Allah Knows Best

 

[dilkadr]

So if the woman willingly waived her rights...wat happens to Childrens rights in such marrgies?

Children are husbands responsibility in all the cases. The fact is Misyar is prevailing due to economic reasons. A misyar marriage is not a hidden marriage. It is declared and legalised normally. The only thing is that the man is not able to arrange a home for his family because he is poor. If the wife has resources the she may arrange the house.

Here one thing must be noted that rich man who are doing it just for extra fun will never agree to declare their marriage to thier exsiting family members.

Keep in mind misyar is to facilitate marriage between poor man and established women - it is never ever for rich men to get married with poor women for fun.

Allah Knows Best...

 

[dilkadr]

"This sometimes takes place when, for example, there are many women who, as they get older, find it increasingly difficult to marry. In this case a woman opts for a husband who is not able to fulfil the normal marital duties like financial maintenance, or spending adequate time with her, for example. She considers that marrying such a husband is better than remaining unmarried."


But how can be this legal.:X Its in Qur'an written clearly the men needs to treat his wive equally(the same treatment)and he needs to be the women protector, so he needs to ensure some financial maintenance to her too.

Finance is very important in present day life but it is not the only important thing. Now-a-days, it is supposed that if a man have money than he can protect his family, and if he is a poor man then he can not do anything.

We need a lot of thinking and understanding of life... we always love our blood relatives whether we are poor, disabled handicapedd or what so ever is our situation is - because it is our inbuilt characterstic. So is for the inlaws (wife and children).

Misyar, seems permisible for special situations (poor man, over aged never married before women, young widows) but we all are looking at misyar as it is a excuse for extra fun for rich man and rich women.

Believe me there is not restriction for comiting SINs. I know women having hidden relations, I know men misusing thier domestice servents (maids) I know people have girl friends and women have boy friends even after marriage and number of boy/girls friends is not small necessarily. And everyone know about call girls and gigolos.

So, Misyar is a provision for the marriage for the less prevaliged people.

Allah Knows Best

 

[dilkadr]

thats cuz the woman wants that. its her choice. if she agrees that she gives up her islamic rights (like the husband spending time with her, providing for her) then its allowed and we must respect that.

she is not forced in to it and its entirly her choice

masalama

Without consent of both husband and wife it is not possible and it will be illegal too

Allah Knows Best

 

[dilkadr]

Peace to all!

What do you have to say about this ?


ya sure they're actually practising muta not misyar or in the name of misyar.. but who draws the limit! our beloved scholars???
and read this too!

http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=subjects&Area=reform&ID=SP106005

Strong prey on weak - that is natural animalistic thing.

Islam is here to make us human. These people are nothing but black spots on the face of Muslim Community.:raging:

 

[dilkadr]

salam
ummah is suffering everywhere in the world, it is obvious that the imaan is weak in some places, but why all the foucus on arbas? when equally elsewhere muslims are in need of guidance, this is not so that am backing for arabs, but it is only fair if you look at the ummah as a whole
wasalam

It is because of 2 things;

1. Islam has deep roots in Arab world [Started from there]
   
2. Only Arabs are the richest in Muslim community and some of them are using their wealth for wrong doing.

It is my opinion which i have developed with my limited study of Muslim affairs through different media i.e. TV, Internet, Newspapers etc.

Only Allah Knows Best