Greetings,
Yes, this is exactly what im saying. I can actually come to terms with Allahs justice but thats only because i really believe he exists, and with that belief tags along the belief of the afterlife.
The key word in my post was 'assume'. You're making assumptions which have no basis in reality.
You see you might find it barbaric that God takes away a young child but given the circumstances of that young child, if we knew whats in the childs heart etc maybe we wouldnt hold the same opinion. Allah knows whats in everyones hearts and does not overburden anyone.
Clutching at straws. The simple fact is that the existence of evils both natural and human is totally incompatible with what religious people tell us about god. They say god is both able and willing to prevent evil - why then does he not do so?
Its all logical, There must be an initiator to everything
That seems simple enough.
and for there to be an initiator there must be someone without a beginning,
A direct contradiction of what you just said.
that someone must be extremely intelligent (obviously)
I don't see why that would necessarily follow. Would some hypothetical entity without a beginning definitely have to be intelligent?
and in his justice must work in mysterious ways.
The universe is mysterious. Postulating the existence of a being which serves as a catch-all solution to everything we don't know does nothing to reduce this mystery. The scientific method remains the best way humanity has found for discovering more about the nature of reality.
Now if you want to think that we only came about for 60-70 years of toiling in hardship then thats up to you,
Does life equal hardship?
Not believing in an afterlife is not really a matter of choice, as far as I'm concerned. It just seems obvious to me that we don't survive bodily death, just as I suppose it seems obvious to you that we do.
i believe in the prophets sent down and the books revealed which say that indeed this life is a mere test, and the rewards will be given out afterwards.
You're perfectly entitled to do so. If it's a belief that gives you hope or comfort or whatever, good.
I agree with agnostics that nothing about god can be proved (or known). In fact, I think it is theoretically possible to prove agnosticism, whereas it isn't possible to prove atheism. Atheism is simply a belief.
You made me think about this, and do you know what i thought? I think if i was in your position then i probably would have come to the same conclusion as you have. But i am not in your position, i have grown up reading about islam, researching on the life of Muhammad sallallahi alaihi wasallaam and it is impossible for me to conclude otherwise then Allah does indeed exist and will take into account all sins and injustice.
If the simple act of reading about Islam automatically led to acceptance, then everyone would be a Muslim.
i dont know how much credit you give to history, or to literature, but i do know that that this man gave the best of everything, history/literature and science (if you assume good health to be a huge part of science as i do, because Muhammad sallallahi alaihi wasallaam taught us how to keep ourselves clean and pure to the extent where diseases are easily avoided).
An interesting point of view. Muhammad (pbuh) was certainly a remarkable man. No other religious leader reached their 'promised land' in their own lifetime, and that's undeniably amazing.
Did he give us the best of history, literature and science? I'm not sure exactly what you mean by 'the best of history', but the other two we would obviously disagree on. As for literature, Allah is credited with the composition of the Qur'an, surely? Muhammad's (pbuh) teachings on health matters are certainly commendable, but surely do not qualify him as being the greatest scientist of all time.
Peace
