What is Christian Zionism?

[AhmedGassama]

Assalamu alaykom,

I haven't been here since 2017. When I opened my account I was notified that I committed an extremely disrespectful infraction about a threat I made that goes back to 2017 but I do not remember it haha.

Subhana Allah, many things have changed.

Anyhow, I wanted to pass by and share with you guys a video that I made recently about Christian Zionism

[video=youtube;6igzhH_rm-s]https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=6igzhH_rm-s[/video]

 

[Silas]

This is an excellent video, and very informative

the question of Israel is quite controversial in the US. Dispensationalist churches are typically the ones who argue for a kind of "Christian Zionism". Many unaffiliated Baptist churches, some independent Evangelical churches, especially those in the IFCA (Independent Fundamental Churches of America) are dispensationalist and hold to very literal (and in some cases incorrect) interpretations to the Bible. The Dallas Theological Seminary, a prominent religious school, is dispensationalist, and Christian Zionist. Even though a vast majority of Christians in the US belong to mainline protestant denominations, or the Catholic Church, which are not dispensationalist, and who argue for a two-state solution and rights for Palestinians, this relatively small group of Christian Zionists exercises a lot of influence in our politics.

 

[Abz2000]

Something like this?






Edit: this is deep:

This ex-zionist human succinctly describes his experiences and transition from inside and out:

 

[Silas]

A really good resource for westerners who want to understand what goes on in Palestine is this book:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_(graphic_novel)

in one part of the book, a boy throws a rock at an IDF vehicle from an orchard. So the the IDF goes in and destroys 100 acres of fig trees in order to "punish" the owner of the orchard--a blameless Palestinian man.

It is a real eye-opener

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[Abz2000]

To the "Christian zionist" :

Mark 13:14-20 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house:
And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment.
But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter.
For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.
And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

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Hadith

"حَدَّثَنِي هَارُونُ بْنُ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ، حَدَّثَنَا حَجَّاجُ بْنُ مُحَمَّدٍ، قَالَ قَالَ ابْنُ جُرَيْجٍ حَدَّثَنِي
أَبُو الزُّبَيْرِ، أَنَّهُ سَمِعَ جَابِرَ بْنَ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ، يَقُولُ أَخْبَرَتْنِي أُمُّ شَرِيكٍ، أَنَّهَا سَمِعَتِ النَّبِيَّ صلى
الله عليه وسلم يَقُولُ ‏"‏ لَيَفِرَّنَّ النَّاسُ مِنَ الدَّجَّالِ فِي الْجِبَالِ ‏"‏ ‏.‏ قَالَتْ أُمُّ شَرِيكٍ يَا رَسُولَ
اللَّهِ فَأَيْنَ الْعَرَبُ يَوْمَئِذٍ قَالَ ‏"‏ هُمْ قَلِيلٌ ‏"‏ ‏.‏"

Umm Sharik reported:
I heard Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying: The people would run away from the Dajjal seeking shelter in the mountains. She said: Where would be the Arabs then in that day? He said: They would be small in number.

Sahih

Sahih Muslim, 2945 a
In-Book Reference: Book 54, Hadith 154
USC-MSA web (English) reference: Book 41, Hadith 7035 (deprecated numbering scheme)


Hadith

وعن عمران بن حصين رضي الله عنهما قال‏:‏ سمعت رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم يقول‏:‏ ‏"‏ما بين خلق آدم إلى قيام الساعة أمر أكبر من الدجال‏"‏‏.‏ ‏(‏‏(‏رواه مسلم‏)‏‏)‏‏.‏

'Imran bin Hussain (May Allah be pleased with them) reported:
I heard the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) saying, "Between time of the creation of Adam and the Resurrection Day, there is nothing greater than the mischief of Dajjal (the Antichrist)."

[Muslim].



Riyad as-Salihin, 1814
In-Book Reference: Book 18, Hadith 7

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Matthew 24:15-22
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand).
Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

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Isaiah 57:1-6 The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come.

He shall enter into peace: they shall rest in their beds, each one walking in his uprightness.

But draw near hither, ye sons of the sorceress, the seed of the adulterer and the wh*re.
Against whom do ye sport yourselves? against whom make ye a wide mouth, and draw out the tongue? are ye not children of transgression, a seed of falsehood,
Enflaming yourselves with idols under every green tree, slaying the children in the valleys under the clifts of the rocks?
Among the smooth stones of the stream is thy portion; they, they are thy lot: even to them hast thou poured a drink offering, thou hast offered a meat offering. Should I receive comfort in these?

 

[Abz2000]

 

[Abz2000]

A bit old but relevant, the question that arose in my mind is: how did the terminology come to exist? What are the harms of usury, how does it affect the psychology of the perpetrators? Does it correspond with what is happening in palestine now?

Google fixes leading definition of "Jew" after search engine results showed offensive slur
BY EMILY MAE CZACHOR

DECEMBER 27, 2022 / 5:43 PM EST / CBS NEWS

Search engine giant Google said it has fixed the search results for the word "Jew" after an offensive definition of the word was appearing as the top result. For at least several hours on Tuesday morning and into the early afternoon, internet users who typed the word "Jew" into a Google search bar encountered a series of pejorative phrases as the engine's leading result, which appeared above the dictionary definition describing a person affiliated with cultural and religious Judaism.

Prior to the fix, the leading result for the word "Jew" read: "Bargain with someone in a miserly or petty way." The definition, which cited Oxford Languages as a source and characterized the term as a verb, included a small bolded banner marked "offensive" in capital letters. The search engine also presented the word in various "tenses," including "jewed" and "jewing."

Google updated the result after 1 p.m. ET, after many online pointed out the offensive error.

The offensive definition's origin was listed as having been rooted in a 19th-century slur and "in reference to old stereotypes associating Jewish people with trading and moneylending."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/google-search-jew-offensive-slur-dictionary-result/



Here's the Oxford definition in question:


Jew - verb

MEANING & USE
colloquial (derogatory and offensive).
1.1825– transitive. To get or try to get the better of (a person) by charging too much or paying too little; to cheat or swindle (out of something); (occasionally) to haggle over (something).
In this and other senses with reference to anti-Semitic stereotypes; cf. Jew n. 1b and note.
1825We hope, for the honour and character of the state, that neither the legislature nor the people, will Jew the items of expence.
Constitutional Adv. (Frankfort, Kentucky) 15 December 3/1Citation details for Constitutional Adv. (Frankfort, Kentucky)
1833If they [sc. the Jews] will Jew people, they cannot flourish among Yankees, who are said to ‘out-jew’ them in trading.
L. Dow, Dealings of God (1849) 189Citation details for L. Dow, Dealings of God
1847Some mode of screwing and jewing the world out of more interest than one's money is entitled to.
W. Irving, Letter 30 April in Life & Letters (1864) vol. IV. i. 7Citation details for W. Irving, Letter in Life & Letters
1919The commission..figured that he was only Jewing them anyway. You know the Jew asks more than he really expects.
Journal Switchmen's Union North Amer. May 292/1Citation details for Journal Switchmen's Union North Amer.
1946Both here and at the mountain top we were unmercifully jewed for all the refreshments.
W. G. Hammond, Remembrance of Amherst 121Citation details for W. G. Hammond, Remembrance of Amherst
2000An associate of Mr. Cobb's once told Mr. Levy that he had been ‘jewed’ out of something, and Mr. Cobb called to demand an apology.
New York Times (Nexis) 14 June a1Citation details for New York Times

https://www.oed.com/dictionary/jew_v


Edit:

See also:
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jew out


Edit:
The four-year-old legal fight by a Manchester businessman to have the Oxford English Dictionary drop what he considered derogatory definitions of the word “Jew” has been lost. But a moral victory was won when Robert Burchfield, editor of the dictionary, said the 1975 supplement would include an historical note explaining the origin of the disputed definitions.

Rumanian-born Marcus Shlotmovitz had objected to definitions of Jew as “to cheat or overreach in the way attributed to Jewish traders or usurers” and “a grasping or extortionate usurer, or a trader who drives hard bargains and deals craftily.”

High Court Judge Sir Reginald Goff ruled that the 66-year-old textile merchant had not proved he suffered personally from the definitions. Shlotmovitz said he would not appeal the ruling but would leave the matter to public opinion.

Clarendon Press, publisher of the dictionary, promised not to collect the $3000 in costs the court awarded against Shlotmovitz.

https://www.jta.org/archive/legal-battle-over-oed-definition-of-jew-ends-in-moral-victory

 

[Namir Wahid]

It's a bit of a paradox. Evangelicals are using the Jewish people to rush the second coming of Isa (as), while Jewish people are using US backing to get rid of Palestinians, build the Third Temple, and usher in their own messiah.

 

[Abz2000]

It's a bit of a paradox. Evangelicals are using the Jewish people to rush the second coming of Isa (as), while Jewish people are using US backing to get rid of Palestinians, build the Third Temple, and usher in their own messiah.

There's a chapter called hujurat 49 - that describes the type of warped mentality of such creatures:

049.016 Say (unto them, O Muhammad): Would ye teach Allah your religion, when Allah knoweth all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth, and Allah is Aware of all things ?
049.017 They make it a favour unto thee (Muhammad) that they have surrendered (unto Him). Say: Deem not your Surrender a favour unto me; but Allah doth confer a favour on you, inasmuch as He hath led you to the Faith, if ye are earnest.
049.018 Lo! Allah knoweth the Unseen of the heavens and the earth. And Allah is Seer of what you do.

Al-Hujurat 49:16-18
(16) قُلْ أَتُعَلِّمُونَ ٱللَّهَ بِدِينِكُمْ وَٱللَّهُ يَعْلَمُ مَا فِى ٱلسَّمَٰوَٰتِ وَمَا فِى ٱلْأَرْضِۚ وَٱللَّهُ بِكُلِّ شَىْءٍ عَلِيمٌ
(17) يَمُنُّونَ عَلَيْكَ أَنْ أَسْلَمُوا۟ۖ قُل لَّا تَمُنُّوا۟ عَلَىَّ إِسْلَٰمَكُمۖ بَلِ ٱللَّهُ يَمُنُّ عَلَيْكُمْ أَنْ هَدَىٰكُمْ لِلْإِيمَٰنِ إِن كُنتُمْ صَٰدِقِينَ
(18) إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ يَعْلَمُ غَيْبَ ٱلسَّمَٰوَٰتِ وَٱلْأَرْضِۚ وَٱللَّهُ بَصِيرٌۢ بِمَا تَعْمَلُونَ

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Sir, my concern is not whether God is on our side; my greatest concern is to be on God's side, for God is always right.

Abraham Lincoln

 

[Abz2000]

According to so called "Christian zionists" - Jews are anti-jesus, but not anti-Christ / anti-Messiah. .
i.e always has to be something ridiculous enough to necessitate brow-raisimg confusion.

 

[سيف الله]

Salaam

More of the same. Many are noticing the absurdities.

Judgment, Not Blessing

The Christian Zionists who are on AIPAC’s payroll are even worse theologians than Calvinists and comedians. This is what a complete rhetorical blowout looks like.

The fact that the Jewish organizations in the USA are actually suing to remove the Ten Commandments from public schools should be sufficient to convince even the most rabid Christian Zionist that modern Jewry has an inverted connection to the historical Hebrew people, religion, and culture. It won’t be, but it should be.

God’s promises of blessings to Man have always been contingent on Man’s subsequent behavior. And one need only look at the current state of Israel, or, for that matter, the current state of the USA, to know that it is not God they serve, and that it is God’s judgment, not God’s blessings, that should be anticipated.

https://voxday.net/2024/06/23/judgment-not-blessing/

Zios despise Christians and but they (Christian Zios) are a useful tool to achieving their goals. Now they are trying to do the same to Muslims (eg. trying to manufacture Arab/Muslim Zionists).