What is normal?

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I've come to learn that "normal" is wrong. Usually whatever seems abnormal is what is Islamically correct. Of course, I live in the U.S. so I guess what im trying to say is that normal is what society makes it, so where you are in the world may change the definition of normal.

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Assalamu-alaikum,

Great topic ukthi!

I think theres two specific scenarios to discuss when we consider the term 'normal':

1. In medical terms:

We have defined 'normal' values for almost every bodily function -
Simply, by looking at the general population - we are saying ~95% of values fall within a certain range, and anything outside of this, is regarded as 'abnormal'.

As our knowledge expands, these limits expand or reduce - and so, very often - what was considered to be 'normal' a few decades ago, may be 'redefined'.
e.g what is 'normal' blood pressure, 'normal' blood gluose range, 'normal' cholesterol, etc etc.

With regards to the above - we should all be happy to within the 'normal' ranges : )


2. In general terms:

In every other aspect of life - 'normal' is generally what we 'Expect' to occur in a given situation.
The person who leaves home without any clothes, or the one who suddenly starts singing in the middle of a bayaan - is considered to be 'abnormal', because this is not what our conditioning allows us to expect.
We EXPECT to see people dressed - because this is what we have been taught and indoctrinated (from both a societal and religious point of view) to accept as normal behaviour.

To the man living on a remote island, whose culture does not require clothing - this is what is normal to him.


Between these two ranges of 'normal' and 'abnormal' - there are varying degrees of what we consider to be 'acceptable' or 'tolerable'.
This is influenced by our faith, family values, personality, etc.


We should realise:

Life is not meant to be lived by trying to fall within the 'norm'.
Because, the reality is that, what is considered as 'normal' today - has the finger-prints of shaytaan all over it.

He wants you to believe that the world as it is, is 'normal'......and it is YOU who is weird and following an unnecessarily restricted, abnormal way of life.
He will send his 'followers'/ 'helpers' in this dunya to tell you - 'what is wrong with you? why are you all covered up in the middle of summer?......Are you mad?'

In this case - you mostly do NOT want to fall within the 'normal range'.

Do not listen to the world, my brothers and sisters.
Listen to Allah and His messenger (sallahu alaihi wasalam).......you may not be considered 'normal', but do you care for the opinions of man, or the favour of your Creator?


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I guess normality depends on how one perceive him/herself and the world around them. We could easily accept multiple versions of normality, as long as it doesn't contradict our values, beliefs, and point of view.
 
I think of normal in stastical terms. So, its like average in my view.
 
Does normal or abnormal hold a moral value in your opinion?

for instance:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/anna-...id10|htmlws-main-bb|dl3|sec1_lnk3&pLid=152605

Now the title was initially catchy because she said ''I just wanted to be normal' which implies to me that her chosen life style isn't//
and in the same breath and I quote ''your opinion of my sexuality isn't required or desired''...
which leave me with the question of why advertise? is advertising in this case normal? how about advertising without the desire to elicit a response? because to me when you advertise you're selling something.. some sort of reaction is meant to be elicited in the process..

Does normalcy always have a moral value or just in certain cases?
 
normal is being human. anything a human being does/ can do is normal

however a miracle is not normal
 
^ Lol

The fact that we are even on this forum.....makes one wonder how any of us has so much time : )
 
I dont think this is normal - to be talking about what normal is.....to complete strangers.......over a screen.......: P
 
nothing is normal. All our perceptions of normal and abnormal are dependent on how we grew up, what genes we inherited, what proteins we expressed, what neural connections our brain built depending on the household environment and society we grew in. Nothing is normal. But usually people, because they dont want to remain outcasts, define normal as what most ppl do, and try to fit in. Some dont, like myself. But even I find myself following the herd mentality and trying to "fit in" at many occassions, at least when in professional settings.

Making connections, smiling, talking to others etc is usually considered normal and "healthy." Doing opposite of that is considered "abnormal" and anti-social. But it just the perception of others, dependent on what genes they go, how their brain works.

But then Islam also "abnormalizes" certain things such as sins. I guess humans would commit collective massive suicides, kamikaze style, just out of depression from existential angst for existing purposelessly if there was no sense of normality, or no sense of purpose. So God has through whatever means (evolution/creation etc) created our brains such that we look at patterns, create "artificial" purposes for ourselves such as looking good, having kids, making lots of money, earning respect etc that most of us get lost in these things so much that we forget the seeming "puposelessness" of existence, which from Islamic perspective is to just worship God.

There is a reason why some of the most "intellectual" people have been abnormal, misanthropes, nihilists and every other thing that you can think of. They did not believe in God, they were able to shun artificial purpose of life that our brain makes for us such as getting married or what not, but the gap created was so huge in their lives that these ppl created a purpose for themselves, which was to become their own gods. And that is manifested in various forms, as I mentioned above, misanthropy, misogyny, misandry, nihilis, amoralism etc.
 
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The more scientifically advanced and depth reached the more occult and bizarre.. The best scientists have always been occultists...
 
لميس;1510943 said:
The more scientifically advanced and depth reached the more occult and bizarre.. The best scientists have always been occultists...

the more "knowledegable" one becomes, him becoming his own god becomes very likely, and from that stem many many issues. I think I am one such individual in progress. Not bragging that I am knowledgeable, but I've seen the harmful effects on myself.

There is a reason why villagers and illiterate people are some of the most content people in general. I've met many in my travels, typical rickshaw drivers, horse riders, shopkeepers, farmers ... they had something which I never had. And that was genuine contentment with whatever was written in their lot.
 
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I've met many in my travels, typical rickshaw drivers, horse riders, shopkeepers, farmers ... they had something which I never had. And that was genuine contentment with whatever was written in their lot.

There's actually something to be learned from the story of Barsisa

People of knowledge are more steadfast that those who merely spend their day in worship.. Knowledge cements your will and gives understanding...
Also Allah swt created us in ranks and gave us the ability to compete for good..
[FONT=Verdana,arial]Al-Mutaffifin (Those Who Deal in Fraud) [83:26] [RECITE]
Khitamuhu miskun wafee thalika falyatanafasi almutanafisoona
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yup, religious education. not secular scientific education.

In fact all education should lead to Allah.. Does the Quran not discuss mathematics, and the cosmos and embryology and inheritance and economics and medicine and even poetry though not in a good light at first... come on!
 
Normal means to conform to a standard, but this changes as times go by. What is considered normal 50 years ago may be considered bizarre today.
 
Normal means to conform to a standard, but this changes as times go by. What is considered normal 50 years ago may be considered bizarre today.

And vice versa, what was considered bizarre 50 years ago may be normal today, i.e same gender relationships. Another question could be, what determines our outlook on what normal is? is it the law that we live under that determines what we consider normal and appropriate in society.
 
لميس;1510954 said:


In fact all education should lead to Allah.. Does the Quran not discuss mathematics, and the cosmos and embryology and inheritance and economics and medicine and even poetry though not in a good light at first... come on!

Only those can indulge in it who are capable of it in terms of health, mental capabilities. it is not for everyone, and it certainly is not a criteria to get into jannah. it is like any other worldly activity.

maybe its my personal experience of hopelessness from medicine. and western medicine only replaces one problem with another in most cases, except some acute conditions or some surgical procedures where we can 100% cure the patient with minimal problems.
 

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