what is original sin? some questions to the chrisitians and all are welcome to answer

[Zulkiflim]

Re: what is original sin? some questions to the chrisitians and all are welcome to answer

I would like to think your bright enought to understand, that God knows the heart of every man, and repentance starts in the heart. I could go on sinning but think to myself its ok i wont be punished. I would be a fool. It doesnt work like that, its works in accepting Jesus as your lord and saviour, and turning from all you know is wrong. Im sure u understand this clearly. So you ask what can we not DO? what do u think we cant do? think about it its not hard. Jesus didnt die so we would do what we want, but so we could be forgiven for the things we have allready done and fulfill the law of the OT. And he gave us 2 new commandments, love your God with you heart mind bosy and soul, and love you neighbour as yourself. And doing this, obeying Gods laws will follow.

Salaam,

As i have said in your previous article you said,God punish himself for your sin.And then you say no it dont work that way,god only punishes himself if you are and repentace start in the heart..


And thus we come to the crux of the problem..

you seem sincere and confident but you do not know..

You are not sure if god trully forgives you your sin.
As you say god know the heart of man,,and you take it upon yourself to say that you are forgiven...that your piety is enough that god is satisfied.

So all in all every time some one rebut you and you come in with a different explantion it just mena one thing..

IT IS YOUR WISH...not what is...
it is just your delusion..

 

[Zulkiflim]

Re: what is original sin? some questions to the chrisitians and all are welcome to answer

let me explain something.

God is rightous

God punishs evil

God is loving

To Not punish evil would not show him as a rightous God

God cant go against his rightous, JUST, and HOLY nature

God has to send the perfect sacrafice for our sin.

Olny a perfect sacrafice can be sufficient to take away the sins on the world.

God gave his only beggoten son, so that whoever believes in him should not perish but have everlasting life.

This shows God, as RIGHTOUS, JUST, FAIR, HOLY, KIND,and most of all LOVING, this is God, and anything lacking here would be something short of the concept of God.

God bless

Salaam,

NOw i wish to ask you one question and i hope you can asnwer straight forward..

If you make a mistake or a sin,do you get punished immediately?


also can you tell me,in your mind did god make satan or is satan a nemesis to god?

And as you say,evilis not in god nature,so are you saying another power create evil?

 

[4-Christ-Alone]

Re: what is original sin? some questions to the chrisitians and all are welcome to answer

Salaam,

As i have said in your previous article you said,God punish himself for your sin.And then you say no it dont work that way,god only punishes himself if you are and repentace start in the heart..


And thus we come to the crux of the problem..

you seem sincere and confident but you do not know..

You are not sure if god trully forgives you your sin.
As you say god know the heart of man,,and you take it upon yourself to say that you are forgiven...that your piety is enough that god is satisfied.

So all in all every time some one rebut you and you come in with a different explantion it just mena one thing..

IT IS YOUR WISH...not what is...
it is just your delusion..

You are unreal lol, its easy to undestand, God went to the cross for every single sin, he did for all sin wether we choose to accept it or not he did. I never said God only punishs himself on repentence so dont do that please, God punished himself for all sin, so that "when" / "if" we repented we would excape that punishment. So God has paid everyones debt of sin, whether we choose to accept this or not is at our own risk. and that willl be the end of this, i have made it clear, and if u dont understand its your unwillingness to not want to. i could explain this to my 3 year old nephew!

If you make a mistake or a sin,do you get punished immediately?


also can you tell me,in your mind did god make satan or is satan a nemesis to god?

And as you say,evilis not in god nature,so are you saying another power create evil?

No, we arnt immedietly punished when sinning, because God has paid it, how many times do u have to hear this, whether u believe it or not u can understand it.

And second, i believe God made satan as part of his creation. And evil is not in Gods nature. let me explain

Satan does not define evil. he chose it.

let me tell you what sin is, sin is not something that is created like an apple or banana, its not a thing. Coldness is not a thing it is the lack of heat. Darkness is not a thing it is the absence of light. in the same way sin is not a thing it is the lack of good or better lack of God.

When God made his creation, he didnt want robots, so he gave us an option other than him, so we had the choice to accept or reject him, and the obtion of rejecting him brings evil. so when u ask did another power create evil. your asking the wrong question, evil has never been created, it has been chosen.

God bless

 

[Zulkiflim]

Re: what is original sin? some questions to the chrisitians and all are welcome to answer

You are unreal lol, its easy to undestand, God went to the cross for every single sin, he did for all sin wether we choose to accept it or not he did. I never said God only punishs himself on repentence so dont do that please, God punished himself for all sin, so that "when" / "if" we repented we would excape that punishment. So God has paid everyones debt of sin, whether we choose to accept this or not is at our own risk. and that willl be the end of this, i have made it clear, and if u dont understand its your unwillingness to not want to. i could explain this to my 3 year old nephew!



No, we arnt immedietly punished when sinning, because God has paid it, how many times do u have to hear this, whether u believe it or not u can understand it.

And second, i believe God made satan as part of his creation. And evil is not in Gods nature. let me explain

Satan does not define evil. he chose it.

let me tell you what sin is, sin is not something that is created like an apple or banana, its not a thing. Coldness is not a thing it is the lack of heat. Darkness is not a thing it is the absence of light. in the same way sin is not a thing it is the lack of good or better lack of God.

When God made his creation, he didnt want robots, so he gave us an option other than him, so we had the choice to accept or reject him, and the obtion of rejecting him brings evil. so when u ask did another power create evil. your asking the wrong question, evil has never been created, it has been chosen.

God bless

Salaam,

Agian i say you are still not sure.

In one post you say god forgives those whom are really sincre and what not and now you say that god forgives all sin...and now you even say god forgiven all sin ven for those who do not recognize jesus as god.

Trully it is mystical how you talk...
To refresh your memory this is what you said.


[PIE]I would like to think your bright enought to understand, that God knows the heart of every man, and repentance starts in the heart. I could go on sinning but think to myself its ok i wont be punished. I would be a fool. It doesnt work like that, its works in accepting Jesus as your lord and saviour, and turning from all you know is wrong. Im sure u understand this clearly. So you ask what can we not DO? what do u think we cant do? think about it its not hard. Jesus didnt die so we would do what we want, but so we could be forgiven for the things we have allready done and fulfill the law of the OT. And he gave us 2 new commandments, love your God with you heart mind bosy and soul, and love you neighbour as yourself. And doing this, obeying Gods laws will follow.[/PIE]

And i do agree you can explain this to your 3 year old nephew ,casue babies are gullible to beleive everything..LOL

So cna you just give me a straight answer..

Do you think you are forgiven?
Or do you think you need to repent?
Or do you think that any sins you do or will do is already forgiven?
And do you need to believe in jesus as god to to be forgiven?
Do you even need a confrimation from god that you are forgiven or do you just take it for granted?
Do you then need to ask god for forgiveness if you think that god has already forgiven you?


As for explanation of evil and heat and what not it is just mystyfying..LOLOL

I ask you,a simple question.Did god create satan..

And you said yes..

And then you say Satan chose evil,not define it,so i ask you who then defined evil?
Did evil exist before god in your mind?

Did Satan chose to serve evil rahter than god?

In the case of light and dark it is simple,Same for heat and cold.
both are quatative,easily measured with light sensors and temperature.

But both are defined by the other,how can we have hot if we do not define cold?
How cna you have love but not know hate?
How can you have anger if you do not kow mercy?

So i ask you again,since you say your god loves,who defined hate?
I ask you,if your god is just,who defined UNJUST and UNRIGHTEOUS?

But one question to you will answer all that question.

HOW MANY GOD or CREATORS are there in your mind?

One for Good ,,one for evil

One for heat one for cold
One for light one for darkness?

 

[ZOREENA]

Re: what is original sin? some questions to the chrisitians and all are welcome to answer

If We Wernt To Be Punished And Allah Swt Was Not Righteous..then We Would All Do As We Pleaze!! But Instead Most Muslimz Mould Their Life...around Their Trying And Desire To Please God And Not Sin!! And Most Truly Repent..no One Knowz If Itz Good Enough But Die Trying!! Being A Muslim Is A Complete Way Of Life..our Instruction Manual..how We Should Operate! I Dont See This In Chritiantiy!! And Whether God Is Righteous Isnt Mostly My Concern Rite Now...itz Knowing The Truth Which U Should Try And Seek!!inshalllah

 

[4-Christ-Alone]

Re: what is original sin? some questions to the chrisitians and all are welcome to answer

zulk, my dear word where do they make people like you? you are either choosing not to undrstand or u are genuinly lacking something up there.

I have explained everything cleary, and i will not carry on this post. as for the question about evil exsisting before God, how can that be if God has allways exsisted, its imposssible for something to exsist before it? LOL.

And i know i am forgiven, i know Jesus Christ is the risen lord not "believe" but know as fact. What can you say to that lol ? oohhhh prove it? and i say prove it to yourself. he says call upon the name of the lord and you shall be saved. intellectual agruments will never get anyone anywhere, my words can never save you, only u can be brought out of your blind worlds by Gods grace. Anf like i said before, u will see Jesus Christ coming on the clouds in all his glory, u will bow and confess he is lord, u will be deeply sorry for your words about him, and ungloryfying him, and i hope it wont be too late when u call upon his name.

Nice speaking, who knows when i will be back. Only God can save u now.

Bye

 

[Zulkiflim]

Re: what is original sin? some questions to the chrisitians and all are welcome to answer

zulk, my dear word where do they make people like you? you are either choosing not to undrstand or u are genuinly lacking something up there.

I have explained everything cleary, and i will not carry on this post. as for the question about evil exsisting before God, how can that be if God has allways exsisted, its imposssible for something to exsist before it? LOL.

And i know i am forgiven, i know Jesus Christ is the risen lord not "believe" but know as fact. What can you say to that lol ? oohhhh prove it? and i say prove it to yourself. he says call upon the name of the lord and you shall be saved. intellectual agruments will never get anyone anywhere, my words can never save you, only u can be brought out of your blind worlds by Gods grace. Anf like i said before, u will see Jesus Christ coming on the clouds in all his glory, u will bow and confess he is lord, u will be deeply sorry for your words about him, and ungloryfying him, and i hope it wont be too late when u call upon his name.

Nice speaking, who knows when i will be back. Only God can save u now.

Bye

Salaam,

It is also nice deabting with you,but as always i never get the answer that makes sense.They always leave in a huff.
Go figure..

As for your very short reply to my question,which was a rebuttal to your asseriton that satan was created by god but followed evil..

So who made evil?
You cant asnwer,or do not wish to face the fact that god made all,,good and evil.
It would unravel your world and make you lose faith but i am sure that with "Devout" christian they will be able to somehowmake a new explanation.

As for you line "intellectual agruments will never get anyone anywhere"...thankyou for calling me an intellect,but it has gotten me to where i am now,with my mind and my question.Alhamdulilah.

So in Islam we say to those who are asking,ask all the question THEN belive.

For you you want people to believe first then ask..

 

[ZOREENA]

Re: what is original sin? some questions to the chrisitians and all are welcome to answer

Put It Like This.....i Love My Father To Death....dont Mean I Dont Fear Him....u Can Love Somone But Fear Punishment Too!!!

 

[Phil12123]

As for you line "intellectual agruments will never get anyone anywhere"... thank you for calling me an intellect, but it has gotten me to where i am now, with my mind and my question.Alhamdulilah.

So in Islam we say to those who are asking, ask all the question THEN believe.

For you you want people to believe first then ask..

I would say, there is nothing wrong with asking, as long as you realize that it is not the answers to your specific questions that is going to give you LIFE. It is Jesus Christ and Him Alone.

John 20:
24. But Thomas, called Didymus, one of the twelve, was not with them when Jesus came.
25. The other disciples therefore said to him, "We have seen the Lord.'' But he said to them, "Unless I see in His hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and put my hand into His side, I will not believe.''
26. And after eight days His disciples were again inside, and Thomas with them. Jesus came, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, "Peace to you!''
27. Then He said to Thomas, "Reach your finger here, and look at My hands; and reach your hand here, and put it into My side. Do not be unbelieving, but believing.''
28. And Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!''
29. Jesus said to him, "Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.''
30. And truly Jesus did many other signs in the presence of His disciples, which are not written in this book;
31. but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name.

Only believing in Jesus as the Son of God will give you life. If you must have all your questions answered BEFORE you believe, you will NEVER believe and you will NEVER have LIFE.

1 John 5:
11. And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.
12. He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.

No one will ever know God by having questions answered first.

1 Cor. 1:
18. For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
19. For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.''
20. Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
21. For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.

Peace

 

[Zulkiflim]

I would say, there is nothing wrong with asking, as long as you realize that it is not the answers to your specific questions that is going to give you LIFE. It is Jesus Christ and Him Alone.

John 20:
24. But Thomas, called Didymus, one of the twelve, was not with them when Jesus came.
25. The other disciples therefore said to him, "We have seen the Lord.'' But he said to them, "Unless I see in His hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and put my hand into His side, I will not believe.''
26. And after eight days His disciples were again inside, and Thomas with them. Jesus came, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, "Peace to you!''
27. Then He said to Thomas, "Reach your finger here, and look at My hands; and reach your hand here, and put it into My side. Do not be unbelieving, but believing.''
28. And Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!''
29. Jesus said to him, "Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.''
30. And truly Jesus did many other signs in the presence of His disciples, which are not written in this book;
31. but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name.

Only believing in Jesus as the Son of God will give you life. If you must have all your questions answered BEFORE you believe, you will NEVER believe and you will NEVER have LIFE.

1 John 5:
11. And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.
12. He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.

No one will ever know God by having questions answered first.

1 Cor. 1:
18. For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
19. For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.''
20. Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
21. For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.

Peace

Salaam,

that is circular reasoning..

to understand i must believe than will i understand.

the verse about thomas is about doubt.Not unbelief.
So the other disciple SAW jesus and told thomas who did not beleive.
i ask you if Jesus did not show himself to the disciples WOULD THEY AHVE BELEIVED?
NO.
So is it wrong for thomas to disbelief when he did not see,not understand nor felt?
Yes.


then it goes on to say that Jesus perform more miracles to establich faith.So by saying such these disciples needed to see these miracle to confirm faith.

So wihout the miracle would people have believed?
Would the people of that time be aware of jesus if he did not perform miracle like the bread and the raising of the dead and what not?
People followed becasue of those miracle's that they see.

So i ask you,would you be here as a chrisitna if the Disciple all DID NOT SEE JESUS?Would they have believed?
NO.

So it is logical and a command of Allah for man to ask and to ask and to ask...



As for the verse "i will destroy the wisdom of the wise"

First off thank you for calling me wise,,,ahem..LOLOL

But again then you have chrisitan degenerate to when the church will cast anyone who say the earth is round into the dungeon.


But that prophecy too have failed and the wisdom of every facet still exist.But that verse is about division in the discipliles and their follower,so perhaps it is refering to the wisdom of the disciples being destroyed?

 

[Phil12123]

that is circular reasoning..

to understand i must believe than will i understand.

Call it what you want. It really isn't based on any reasoning, circular or otherwise. It is based on experience and the Word of God. Experience tells me that until I believed, my eyes were blind to the Truth. And they would never have been opened by my insisting that I first understand the Truth. That would never have come, apart from my belief.

the verse about thomas is about doubt. Not unbelief.
So the other disciple SAW jesus and told thomas who did not beleive.
i ask you if Jesus did not show himself to the disciples WOULD THEY AHVE BELEIVED?
NO.
So is it wrong for thomas to disbelief when he did not see,not understand nor felt?
Yes.

I'm sorry because I'm having a hard time following you. First you say the verse about Thomas is about doubt, not unbelief. Then you say Thomas "did not believe" And you also ask if it was wrong for Thomas not to believe when he did not see, etc. Why the distinction between doubt and unbelief? The verse says that Thomas said "unless I SEE, I will not believe" or words to that effect. Doubt doesn't seem to be the issue.

In any event, my point in quoting that passage was to show you that LIFE comes by believing that "Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name" (John 20:31). It does not come by having all your questions answered first.

Once a person believes and receives LIFE, the Scriptures come alive and actually mean something, like when Jesus opened their understanding of the scriptures:

Luke 24:
44. Then He said to them, "These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me.''
45. And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures.
46. Then He said to them, "Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day,
47. "and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Plus, after believing, we have the promise of the Holy Spirit to guide believers into all truth:

John 14:26. "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.

John 16:13. "However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.

That only applies to believers, not doubters, disbelievers or questioners who don't yet believe.

Peace

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Re: what is original sin? some questions to the chrisitians and all are welcome to answer

i learned in class that adam and eve both sinned but eve supposedly seduced adam into eating the fruit/apple. not sure...if some1 wants to correct that.. thatd be nice.

 

[Phil12123]

i learned in class that adam and eve both sinned but eve supposedly seduced adam into eating the fruit/apple. not sure...if some1 wants to correct that.. thatd be nice.

Here is the passage:

Genesis 3:
1. Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said to the woman, "Has God indeed said, 'You shall not eat of every tree of the garden'?''
2. And the woman said to the serpent, "We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden;
3. "but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God has said, 'You shall not eat it, nor shall you touch it, lest you die.' ''
4. And the serpent said to the woman, "You will not surely die.
5. "For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.''
6. So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree desirable to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate.
7. Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves coverings.

In the New Testament, Paul says in 1 Tim. 2:
13. For Adam was formed first, then Eve.
14. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.

Also, in 2 Cor. 11:3 Paul says, "But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ."

So, from the above, we learn that Eve was deceived, ate the forbidden fruit, and then gave to Adam with her and he ate too. Adam wasn't deceived. He knew better, but he ate anyway. So, I think he's more guilty than Eve for (1) eating though he was not deceived, (2) not refusing to eat no matter what Eve did, and (3) not giving his wife proper guidance so insure she didn't eat. It doesn't really say she "seduced" him to eat. We can't blame her for that, but we can blame her for not obeying God, just as Adam didn't, and for not consulting Adam or God Himself before eating.

Peace

 

[Zulkiflim]

Call it what you want. It really isn't based on any reasoning, circular or otherwise. It is based on experience and the Word of God. Experience tells me that until I believed, my eyes were blind to the Truth. And they would never have been opened by my insisting that I first understand the Truth. That would never have come, apart from my belief.



I'm sorry because I'm having a hard time following you. First you say the verse about Thomas is about doubt, not unbelief. Then you say Thomas "did not believe" And you also ask if it was wrong for Thomas not to believe when he did not see, etc. Why the distinction between doubt and unbelief? The verse says that Thomas said "unless I SEE, I will not believe" or words to that effect. Doubt doesn't seem to be the issue.

In any event, my point in quoting that passage was to show you that LIFE comes by believing that "Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name" (John 20:31). It does not come by having all your questions answered first.

Once a person believes and receives LIFE, the Scriptures come alive and actually mean something, like when Jesus opened their understanding of the scriptures:

Luke 24:
44. Then He said to them, "These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me.''
45. And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures.
46. Then He said to them, "Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day,
47. "and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Plus, after believing, we have the promise of the Holy Spirit to guide believers into all truth:

John 14:26. "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.

John 16:13. "However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.

That only applies to believers, not doubters, disbelievers or questioners who don't yet believe.

Peace

Salaam,

for me it is circular reasoning,.,

to understand i must first beleive,after i beleive then i will understand.

Weird thinking but again that is why in Islam we say ASK ALL QUESTION before you embrace the faith,it is your salvation or doom that you reject.

But for you,do not ask,keep quite and believe first.

As for thomas,trully did you read your post,
thomas is a disciple of Jesus supposedly,and he is not an unbeliever thus not unbelief but doubt.

thomas does beleive in Jesus but DOUBT that Jesus return wihout WITNESSING IT..

As i asked you,the other 11 disciple were they in doubt before jesus appeared to them?
Yes they were,did they not believe Jesus,,,nothey beleive in jesus.

And when Jesus appeared to them they beleived that HE DID COME BACK..

and when the 11 told thomas,thomas did not beleive so he doubted that it is true that is why he say UNLESS I SEE IT FOR MYSLEF(generally).

thus thomas doubted what the other are saying and so jesus appeared and thomas witnessed ,touched and felt Jesus PHYSICALLY..


For you that verse is about believeing wihout understanding..

Let me make it into poitn from for you

1) Did the 11 disciples believe Jesus came back if they did not see it for themselves?

my answer,,NO
So they needed to see to feel and to udnerstadn to beleive..they doubt and needed proof.

But you are mocking the disciple by saying they needed to understadna dn to beleive.

2) Did thomas doubt the disciples when they told him Jesus came back?

Yes
For thosmas said i will not beleive till he saw it for himself,touched and felt.
PHYSICAL...

thus thomas needed proof.

So are they wrong?

I will talk about Luke 24 after this.
LOL

 

[Helena]

original sin-believing a child is born with sins......



jus wanted to get a better understaning on this issue...as i have studied in childhood...that catholics believe that children are born with sins.....and once they enter this world..they are fully educated...and evetually will be baptised and be free from their sins...why do catholics believe that? wots the history and reason behind it? is it biblical?

as we believe that the child is born pure, once he or she enters the world....falls into the trap of saytan and goes astray.......

hope i can get some answers inshalah...

 

[Jayda]

Re: original sin-believing a child is born with sins......

We believe that we inherited Adams sin, and that it is washed away through baptism.

 

[Zulkiflim]

Re: original sin-believing a child is born with sins......

Salaam,

Again?? this thread has been talked about before right?

LOL..

Guess it is true,a joke about forum,,some post a thread about changing a light bulb and it creates a big problem,,then forgoten aftr 4 mothns,2 month laters some post the same quesiton agian,,and it goes ina cycle..

LOL

 

[Curaezipirid]

Re: original sin-believing a child is born with sins......

Alaikumassalam,

It is a simple matter: every Human existant must live in Jesus example so as to become freed of original sin. That is why Catholics say you need to be Baptised, but in general they are only providing those whom they Baptise with opportunities to escape from their own account in Allah. Indigenous persons all around the world have been experiencing that any and every church that associates with either Rosicrucian occultists or the Church in Rome, have been imposing upon any person who sustains actual Faith in Jesus, that they must suffer the sins of whomsoever regards that Jesus was actually a fraud. The silly duffers, they are only self identifying their belief as that of the Synagogue of Satan, and as those persons whom are bound to become trapped and unable to exit from the visit to Hell.

But that is not the question, the question is rather only about what is original sin. Surely yes it is as Adam suffers, and that not any one Human Soul will be free of until we all are. That is why Jesus asked us to die in his example so as to live true to Him, and provided us with that certainty in the hereafter through his ressurrection. He need not have manifested it as an open teaching, and yet He has, and in certain knowledge of the many measures by which his teaching has been falisfied.

Just believe in Jesus actual words (Trying to find an edition of the New Testament in which His words are not marked in red helps) and the whole issue of original sin becomes resolvable. But for that matter just listen to Qur'an recitals and you'll be better able to comprehend what is meant by original sin.

The only people born without, are who die in Jesus. But that does not mean who are only Baptised and confirmed etc, but who chose to accept the burden of a death alike to His Crucifixion. There is a thread started with a Buddhist quote about the way of a Bodhisattva that expresses the exact sentiment required, but then it can be more frightening that Qur'an. The Buddhists seem to use their teachings these days only to validate their superiority to Christianity rather than actually adhereing to. The tread is called something like: "Islam true religion", and has the number 28569 in the link I have to it.

mu'asalam

 

[Helena]

Re: original sin-believing a child is born with sins......

Salaam,

Again?? this thread has been talked about before right?

LOL..

Guess it is true,a joke about forum,,some post a thread about changing a light bulb and it creates a big problem,,then forgoten aftr 4 mothns,2 month laters some post the same quesiton agian,,and it goes ina cycle..

LOL

i think i posted this question before...man am soo confused....

:threadclo

 

[cihad]

Re: original sin-believing a child is born with sins......

Has anybody seen that guy...
Jeff Lang or something

he explains it nicely -i mean come on Adam and Eve just ate a few peices of fruit off a tree, i'm sure you have done worse than that!
he says its like when they ate off the tree it was the first individual choice that he made, which shows that he was ready to go and live on earth..etc

it was hardly a sin , and anyway they didn't ask you before they ate the fruit,did they?

what about babies that die before baptism
do they go to hell because of smething they had no idea about?