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I agree it is as laughable as it is that "Design without a designer".Right ??
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What is the Proof ??
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I agree it is as laughable as it is that "Design without a designer".Right ??
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CptSunbeam
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Well, as he related earlier, there is an abundance of "evidence" for both sides of the picture, so whether or not a person is "Right??" is entirely subjective.
Does each member of Islamicboard.com get assigned one topic only, to which he must stick? Is there a rule that I must only post in one thread? Is this rule policed? Do human beings have only one "agenda" in all life matters, to which he must stick?
If you are an atheist ,most welcome to this thread.When only atheists are addressed ,then it is question of common sense ,that theists have nothing to do with it.To poke one's nose every where is sign of obsession.
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No one is trying to insult you provided you follow the logic of debate.Instead of having some rational attitude ,you are going to behave in an odd way ,naturally you will be paid in the same coin.
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You may think your posts logical but right from your first post upto the end ,I at least could not find logic.Which logic you are talking about?.You
- Do not know Arabic and knowledge of Quran and Hadith
- Do not know the science of Quranic interpretation
- Do not know the History of the Holy Prophet :arabic5:
Again not true.Come up with reasonable objections ,most welcome.Islam is not a mythological religion.But first study the Holy Quran the way it should be studied .Then ,if you have some objection those will cordially welcomed.
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ranma1/2
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there is evidence they existed. a 3 sec look on google can show you most of it. for further varification you might have to do a 10 sec look. Now if you want more non google info go to a libary. Research scholary studies of the writings.
Now what evidene do we have that i exists?
Of course i think its pretty obvious that we have evidence that this thread should not be taken that seriously.
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Right, but irrelevant in this context. A design certainly implies a designer, but evolution does not involve design, which is (the first three definitions I pulled up) "the act of working out the form of something" and "plan: make or work out a plan for; devise" and "create the design for; create or execute in an artistic or highly skilled manner". The theory of evolution does not involve the working out or planning of anything, therefore no intelligence needs to be conjured up to do those things.
Your point is therefore 'laughable' as it assumes what you are trying to prove.
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So I'm obsessive now. More good news. Actually, it depends how you define "poking your nose in everywhere". That must be every muslim and non-muslim in the forums.
These "deficiencies" are perceived, not real. And it is my right to object to Islam, that's the point of these forums.
Remember?
You'd love us to be quiet, because then you can follow your belief system without worrying about whether it may or may not be right. However, many muslims have told me that the Qur'an encourages pondering. So which is it then?
With the experience I've had the past few days, I'm pleased of the above. Mormons are an expert on their religion. Should I follow them because I'm Ignorant? My ignorance does not make them right. I don't know much about communism either but it does not validate a communist's arguments just because I do not have the intellectual tools to prove him wrong. I am only a scientist after all.
I think it's obvious that you just don't like me very much, so you want me to leave the forum.
Peace;
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Peace:
If you are ignorant of some religion ,it does not mean you follow them.I accept it but it is more ridiculous to object something about which you have no idea.
If scholarly studies say that God exists ,will you believe ??
Nothings succeeds like success.This is when you have no answer.
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Very true. However, I do have some idea, no matter what it's magnitude. Many people make a decision not to follow a religion based on partial information, because they hear something they do not like, and off they go. We simply cannot study every religion from bow to stern. Further than this, we cannot even study our own religion in the fullest detail, since the body of knowledge is too great. I knew my fundamentalist Christian religion very well indeed. However, this knowledge was still incomplete. Still, it was enough for me to make an informed decision to dismiss it. Forgive me for saying, but what I've seen of Islam so far has not impressed me, and a person will not linger around ideas indefinitely looking for further proof if he is not impressed, since our lives are limited in span. Please do not take this the wrong way.
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Peace;
Dear no surprise at all.Because the value of a diamond can be appreciated by a person who knows about it not by "Tom, Dick or Harry".
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different type of scholars.
If my scholars say he doesnt. will you agree god doesnt?
If christian scholars say the christian god exists and the muslim doesnt will you agree?
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what is the evidence that you exists?
what is the point of this?
what are the chances of you actually admiting your point?
what is the meaning of life?
what is 42?
why ask why drink bud dry?
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Well said. But I suggest we concede this point to the originator of this thread: viz., that we don't have any proof that Aristotle or Newton existed, so that he can continue his argument. I'm very curious what conclusion he intends to build upon it. I believe in the existence of God myself, but I've never tried this line of questioning to prove it....
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Instead of putting the questions please answer if any atheist can .
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i can defintetly drink bud dry.
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Hello. I'll just tackle what I consider evidence for Newton's exitence.
1) His writings
2) Public records of his and his parents existence (birth/marriage/taxes, etc.)
3) Writings to and about him by contemporaries.
4) The lack of any argument in secondary biographies based on the significant amount of primary evidence.
5) Statues, busts and paintings of him by artist who he sat for.
6) The well documented place of his grave and the possibility to exhume his remnants.
Thats why I think he existed.
Thanks.
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1) His writings
2) Public records of his and his parents existence (birth/marriage/taxes, etc.)
3) Writings to and about him by contemporaries.
4) The lack of any argument in secondary biographies based on the significant amount of primary evidence.
5) Statues, busts and paintings of him by artist who he sat for.
6) The well documented place of his grave and the possibility to exhume his remnants.
Thats why I think he existed.
Thanks.
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A good example of this would be Shakespear. We know he existed, because he is mentioned many times in other works and there are documents which he signed, etc, etc. We have a hard time proving he wrote many of the plays attributed to him, however, because the physical evidence just isn't around anymore. In the case of Newton or Aristotle, there is plenty of evidence that they existed, and at least in Newton's case, plenty of evidence that he wrote what he wrote.
Peace:
Don't you think all of this material came into existence automatically without "Newton" as this whole universe came into existence without its "Creator"??