What is the purpose of poetry?

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What about accapella. Thats got no musical instruments!

Plus is'nt the whole idea of music being haram that it takes your mind off God, when all thoughts should be directed towards him.
A lot of poetry is not praising god, its talking about love, death, joy anger, beauty, human things.

I'm just uncertain why poetry has never been considered haram by the scholors.

Sorry sis Happy, let me clear barney's doubts.

There is no harm in writing fiction, be it stories or poems, as long as it is written for a good purpose or for brushing aside evil, like stories where animals speak as if they are humans or take on allegorical roles. The criterion here is that authenticated matters of the religion should be kept intact. Also, this writing should not be taken as a means to an evil end, and no evil consequence should result from this writing. In Islam, “harm should neither be inflicted nor tolerated” as is stated in the Hadith.

Source - Writing Fiction & Poetry: What Does Islam Say?

 

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Bro what has this got to do with my work, no offence or nothing,

It would be better, if you spend time googling it and doing the work, instead of chilling on LI, no?

 

[barney]

Sorry, yeah it's probably not that helpful.
I was just curious why the distinction between the two.

Work computors are designed for three things in order of importance.
1) Load Islam Forums
2) E-Bay
3) The stuff your employer wants you to do....but only when E-bay and L.I are down.

 

[Pk_#2]

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It would be better, if you spend time googling it and doing the work, instead of chilling on LI, no?

WalaykumSalaam Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh,

Sorry, yeah it's probably not that helpful.

Sorry sis Happy, let me clear barney's doubts.

Iz cool,

Yah sis, I am doing my work honest! besides I'm a fast typer and I have 3 days to do it and I thought my brothers and sisters will help me.

P.s bro Muezzin google gave me great ideas! JazakAllah khair.

 

[Na7lah]

Ever read 'The Raven' by Edgar Allen Poe? That told me everything I ever needed to know about poetry. Google it.

one of my fav poems
u should read more of his poems they're so eloquently written

one reason i like poetry is cuz u can give one poem to a couple of people and they'll all interpret it in their own way

 

[Fishman]

How does poetry differ from music?

Western poetry is generally very different from music or song. More like artwork with language rather than pictures. In 'Islamic civilisation', there is less of a difference. Naats (Urdu poems about Islam) are so similar to songs that I'm sure the reason that people call it poetry rather than song is just because they don't want it to be seen as music.
That's not saying anything bad about Naats. I love naats. Modern naats and ancient naats have the unique quality of being equally aestheticially pleasing. I don't really feel the same way when comparing Shakespeare and the Lord of the Flies.

 

[barney]

Western poetry is generally very different from music or song. More like artwork with language rather than pictures. In 'Islamic civilisation', there is less of a difference. Naats (Urdu poems about Islam) are so similar to songs that I'm sure the reason that people call it poetry rather than song is just because they don't want it to be seen as music.
That's not saying anything bad about Naats. I love naats. Modern naats and ancient naats have the unique quality of being equally aestheticially pleasing. I don't really feel the same way when comparing Shakespeare and the Lord of the Flies.

Okei, thanks dude.

 

[crayon]

Poetry, like all other arts, is a form of expression.

 

[Pk_#2]

Is the following a proverb:

'It's a jungle out there'

 

[Muezzin]

Is the following a proverb:

'It's a jungle out there'

Technically, since it's a 'short saying stating a general truth or piece of advice' -(Oxford definition)

But to me, it's more just a metaphor. To me, proverbs are metaphors that seek to advise rather than just state a general point. So in my opinion, something like 'A rolling stone gathers no moss' is more of a proverb.

Anyway, work hard on your essay!

 

[sevgi]

salams

image this ppl. please...

a man is born. he grows up in a way unique to all others. he experiences things diffrently to others. he feels, sees, hears, thinks and does things which noone will ever know about.

then one day he finds a blank piece of paper. he picks up a pen...and begins to write...

all the things noone will ever know are between the lines of his every sentence...every stanza...you just have to know how to read it...

he expresses what is within..and what is within is his soul...

*****

poetry is something i will never allow to be picked on. lets not ruin it with our silliness.poetry is not haram.

 

[Pk_#2]

Technically, since it's a 'short saying stating a general truth or piece of advice' -(Oxford definition)

But to me, it's more just a metaphor. To me, proverbs are metaphors that seek to advise rather than just state a general point. So in my opinion, something like 'A rolling stone gathers no moss' is more of a proverb.

Ok I'm just gonna say it's a metaphor then, jazakAllah,

Anyway, work hard on your essay!

I am, google is my best friend!

 

[Pk_#2]

'Spread your wings' when said to the audience is it personification? It can't be can it? *waks head on the wall several times* or is it animalification? Omg I think I'm losing it!

 

[Muezzin]

'Spread your wings' when said to the audience is it personification?

No. The audience is already a person or people. Personification is when you give something non-human human characteristics.

or is it animalification? Omg I think I'm losing it!

Er... it's just a metaphor.

 

[sevgi]

by the way..simon armitage is great...

its good to be able to associate a face to poems. the fact that he dresess his poetry with his oratory authenticates and adds that extra kick of bias.

i love bias in poetry.

his best poem has got to be 'The Shout'

http://www.poetryarchive.org/poetryarchive/singlePoem.do?poemId=88

 

[Pk_#2]

No. The audience is already a person or people. Personification is when you give something non-human human characteristics.


Er... it's just a metaphor.

Are you messing about?! Okay if you say so, 3 paragraphs on friggin metaphors it is. JazakAllah.

JazakiAllah khair Summeye for link.

 

[sevgi]

i dno exactly wat ur essay is on bt u cud also also talk abt 'spread ur wings' as 'direct speech' to the audience.

this may be linked to animalisation..if u push ur chances. u'd have to risk making a mess..


upon reading 'spread ur wings', the audience is urged to engage in the practice of this statement. seeing as this is 'direct speech', the term 'your' may be ambraced by the reader, urging them to follow the poets orders, regardless of the fact that they do not have wings. in this way, it may be said that the readers themselves allude to animosity due to the poets direct speech.

along with metaphore, u cud talk abt 'provocative and high modality language. the line 'spread ur wings' is an order or command from the poet. this further portrays the poets authority over the characters in the poem and the realm in which they exist, the readers and also the poem as a whole.

you can connect all this to the purpose of poetry right? something about imagined worlds vs real worlds...and the power struggle all men yearn through...thus the urgency for authority as displayed by the line 'spread ur wings'...

very badly articulated i know. bt its almost 4am here.

hope that helps.

 

[Pk_#2]

i dno exactly wat ur essay is on bt u cud also also talk abt 'spread ur wings' as 'direct speech' to the audience.

this may be linked to animalisation..if u push ur chances. u'd have to risk making a mess..


upon reading 'spread ur wings', the audience is urged to engage in the practice of this statement. seeing as this is 'direct speech', the term 'your' may be ambraced by the reader, urging them to follow the poets orders, regardless of the fact that they do not have wings. in this way, it may be said that the readers themselves allude to animosity due to the poets direct speech.

along with metaphore, u cud talk abt 'provocative and high modality language. the line 'spread ur wings' is an order or command from the poet. this further portrays the poets authority over the characters in the poem and the realm in which they exist, the readers and also the poem as a whole.

you can connect all this to the purpose of poetry right? something about imagined worlds vs real worlds...and the power struggle all men yearn through...thus the urgency for authority as displayed by the line 'spread ur wings'...

very badly articulated i know. bt its almost 4am here.

hope that helps.

Lol, how did you get all that out of a phrase?

Well done.

 

[sevgi]

Lol, how did you get all that out of a phrase?

Well done.

lol...i dnt think this is good for my ego

umm..it sort of comes naturally. ive done it too many times. i am a third year literature stdnt

i guess that explains it a bit...

thanks for the compliment. its actually quite easy...

just ask urself...after each line.."how did that make me feel?"...the ask ur self "why?" then ask urself "how did the poet do it?" and "why wud he do such a thing?"...

something like that...remeber that YOU are the audience...just justify the way you feel...

w/s

 

[Pk_#2]

lol...i dnt think this is good for my ego

umm..it sort of comes naturally. ive done it too many times. i am a third year literature stdnt

i guess that explains it a bit...

thanks for the compliment. its actually quite easy...

just ask urself...after each line.."how did that make me feel?"...the ask ur self "why?" then ask urself "how did the poet do it?" and "why wud he do such a thing?"...

something like that...remeber that YOU are the audience...just justify the way you feel...

w/s

3rd year? In university? Why oh why would you want to torture yourself like that?!

Loq jazakiAllah khair sis.