What is Women Role in Islam?

[GuestFellow]

Listen I didn't say YOU personally curse them.

Salaam,

I know.

why do you always misunderstand me?

I do? O__O

that is the perception most brothers I've spoken to have about Muslim women, most want to work. You are not first I came across that said this.

I'm speaking from experience. I just asked why because I want to know.

 

[GuestFellow]

No one wants to spend their life between people's private parts I assure you..

Hahahaha I love reading your posts. Almost choked on coke when I read this.

I know some Muslim women doctors and I never heard about male patients behaving like perverts. I mean the patients are very sick.

 

[Ğħαrєєвαħ]

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[CosmicPathos]

I'd go far to say they should only take credit for those who have a misunderstanding of how Islam really is

that is quite not so true. It is only the females, who once may have been Muslims, who create negative stereotypes. Look at ayan hirsi ali, wafa sultan, irshad manji ... sort of giving the "inside scoop" on how islam really is for women ... to the outside world . while we dont get britnneys or whitneys or sylvias to talk about harms of from the chavinistic lovers and charmers and pimps of modern age. rather, they do enjoy along with such men, clubbing and all that which comes after beign drunk.

wsalam

 

[جوري]

that is quite not so true. It is only the females, who once may have been Muslims, who create negative stereotypes. Look at ayan hirsi ali, wafa sultan, irshad manji ... sort of giving the "inside scoop" on how islam really is for women ... to the outside world . while we dont get britnneys or whitneys or sylvias to talk about harms of from the chavinistic lovers and charmers and pimps of modern age. rather, they do enjoy along with such men, clubbing and all that which comes after beign drunk.

wsalam

This is conjecture upon conjecture.. I am not even that interested in the actual statistics of who slips in or out of religion.. The Question should be of better Muslims not more Muslims.. I think I actually understand now why Jews are so God awful stringent with conversions ...

 

[CosmicPathos]

This is conjecture upon conjecture.. I am not even that interested in the actual statistics of who slips in or out of religion.. The Question should be of better Muslims not more Muslims.. I think I actually understand now why Jews are so God awful stringent with conversions ...

word. Jews are like one big family, almost every Jewish doctor has heard of/knows another Jewish doctor from a specialty miles away. they are smart, they help each other, and they reap the benefits. while Muslim doctors make sure that the other Muslim doc does not get that residency spot. we Muslims still have not conluded if Quran is a created word of God or if it is eternal.

wsalam

wsalam

 

[Aprender]

Look at ayan hirsi ali, wafa sultan, irshad manji ... sort of giving the "inside scoop" on how islam really is for women ... to the outside world .

Yes, indeed these women are definitely a major problem. But I wish more Muslim men would respectfully speak out against these type of women who know nothing about Islam instead of attacking practicing, hijabi Muslim women who try to reverse the lies that these women tell and educate the Muslim sisters that we already have.

 

[CosmicPathos]

I just can’t with sheer stupidity! I beginning to think no one uses their common sense any more.

yea only you are not the stupid one. and only you have massive swathes of common knowledge. anyone you disagree with has to be dumb and stupid and idiot.

 

[GuestFellow]

Yes, indeed these women are definitely a major problem. But I wish more Muslim men would respectfully speak out against these type of women who know nothing about Islam instead of attacking practicing, hijabi Muslim women who try to reverse the lies that these women tell and educate the Muslim sisters that we already have.

Salaam,

Some Muslim men do judge, most of these Muslims don't even keep a beard, nor are practicing. It's culture.

I find more Muslim women that are practicing than compared to Muslim men. Speaking from experience.

 

[TrueStranger]

Salaam,

Some Muslim men do judge, most of these Muslims don't even keep a beard, nor are practicing. It's culture.

I find more Muslim women that are practicing than compared to Muslim men. Speaking from experience.

True. Each Muslim society has its own unique problem that is inscribed in their history. We can't take a single problem that might be limited to a particular culture and generalize it to the whole Ummah. The main issue facing us is lack of leadership and clear objectives.

 

['Abd-al Latif]

:salamext:

View my thread: http://www.islamicboard.com/family-society/134311795-vision-muslim-women-west.html

Here is an extract of the article of that link:

When the Qur’an mentions other women, it is very evident that in praising any believing woman it praises her for possessing similar qualities. If she is a married woman the Qur’an would praise her as a wife, supporting her husband and being dutiful to him. If she is a mother, the Qur’an would praise her for her important role as a nurturer of the next generation. I have not witnessed the Qur’an praising any woman for her contribution outside of this framework. For example, we don’t see the Qur’an praising a woman for her political involvement, da’wah activism, level of knowledge, social engagement or even leadership. This article cannot possibly include the stories of all women mentioned in the Qur’an, but a simple analysis should confirm this finding.

 

[CosmicPathos]

I find more Muslim women that are practicing than compared to Muslim men. Speaking from experience.

maybe you are hanging too much with muslim women, and not with brothers? time to change non-mehram company brother.

btw my experiences are opposite. I've seen hijabis do kinky stuff, yet I have not seen a brother with a sunnah beard and with trousers above ankles do all that stuff, at least not in my experience.

 

[TrueStranger]

:salamext:

View my thread: http://www.islamicboard.com/family-society/134311795-vision-muslim-women-west.html

Here is an extract of the article of that link:

When the Qur’an mentions other women, it is very evident that in praising any believing woman it praises her for possessing similar qualities. If she is a married woman the Qur’an would praise her as a wife, supporting her husband and being dutiful to him. If she is a mother, the Qur’an would praise her for her important role as a nurturer of the next generation. I have not witnessed the Qur’an praising any woman for her contribution outside of this framework. For example, we don’t see the Qur’an praising a woman for her political involvement, da’wah activism, level of knowledge, social engagement or even leadership. This article cannot possibly include the stories of all women mentioned in the Qur’an, but a simple analysis should confirm this finding.

And if she is not a married women? The Quran does state mothers when it comes to their rights as a parent, and wives when it comes to marriage and their rights/duties. However, that does not mean that Khadija's business was for nothing, or Aisha's military and scholarly influences were for naught.

When I hear about God praising prophets such as Ibhrahim, Moses, Yusuf, Yahye, Isa, Mohamed(Peace be upon them all) in the Quran it is not for their business skills, their military skills, or any other skill outside that of their duty, taqwa, and love for Allah's Decree and message to mankind.

The idea is really simply brother. Islam is not that restrictive, however certain men are for no apparent reason.

 

['Abd-al Latif]

And if she is not a married women? The Quran does state mothers when it comes to their rights as a parent, and wives when it comes to marriage and their rights/duties. However, that does not mean that Khadija's business was for nothing, or Aisha's military and scholarly influences were for naught.

When I hear about God praising prophets such as Ibhrahim, Moses, Yusuf, Yahye, Isa, Mohamed(Peace be upon them all) in the Quran it is not for their business skills, their military skills, or any other skill outside that of their duty, taqwa, and love for Allah's Decree and message to mankind.

The idea is really simply brother. Islam is not that restrictive, however certain men are for no apparent reason.

Well if you had read my thread then you would have read that at the bottom it says that unmarried women will be mentioned in the next article.

Khadija wasn't Muslim at the time but even then she delegated others to carry out her business.

'Aisha didn't gather an army or initiate the battle, the people around her in Makkah who were there (after she had to make a U-turn while going to Madinah) made the decision themselves to fight against what they thought was a wrong doing. Aisha (r) spoke out against the killing of 'Uthman, the people who heard her gathered the courage to act upon what she spoke out against. And though she was present when the battle was taking place she later regretted her involvement.

And for the final thing you have mentioned about having taqwa, please read that article I posted. It'll answer your question.

 

[TrueStranger]

Well if you had read my thread then you would have read that at the bottom it says that unmarried women will be mentioned in the next article.

Khadija wasn't Muslim at the time but even then she delegated others to carry out her business.

'Aisha didn't gather an army or initiate the battle, the people around her in Makkah who were there (after she had to make a U-turn while going to Madinah) made the decision themselves to fight against what they thought was a wrong doing. Aisha (r) spoke out against the killing of 'Uthman, the people who heard her gathered the courage to act upon what she spoke out against. And though she was present when the battle was taking place she later regretted her involvement.

And for the final thing you have mentioned about having taqwa, please read that article I posted. It'll answer your question.

I will direct my response to your article in your original thread. the Biggest problem I have with it is the idea that a woman has to choice between making a living or bring a housewife/mother.

By the way it's completely normal for a Businesswoman/man to pay others to carry out their business or help them out. I do not remember the Prophet objecting to her busniess skills before she became a Muslim and after she became a Muslim.

As for Aisha, I will leave that alone since there are different opposing sites. But the reason why the battle was called the "Battle of the Camel" was because Aisha was on it.


And please do tell if Allah praises the Prophets' for their career options or worldly gains?

 

[Rhubarb Tart]

:salamext:

View my thread: http://www.islamicboard.com/family-society/134311795-vision-muslim-women-west.html

Here is an extract of the article of that link:

When the Qur’an mentions other women, it is very evident that in praising any believing woman it praises her for possessing similar qualities. If she is a married woman the Qur’an would praise her as a wife, supporting her husband and being dutiful to him. If she is a mother, the Qur’an would praise her for her important role as a nurturer of the next generation. I have not witnessed the Qur’an praising any woman for her contribution outside of this framework. For example, we don’t see the Qur’an praising a woman for her political involvement, da’wah activism, level of knowledge, social engagement or even leadership. This article cannot possibly include the stories of all women mentioned in the Qur’an, but a simple analysis should confirm this finding.

LOL I don't see the quran praising men of being lawyers or other fancy jobs other than providing money which obviously can be earned in simple jobs.

Now you need to think what kind of society you are advocating for? No restaurants for women, no gym, sport centre of any kind, go trips aboard with mahram because there no one to carry out checks, no clothes shopping, no maid, no banks,

Plus you and others are trying something that is halal to haram. And you and others have NO rights to complain about non Muslim influence in muslim society when you actively advocate that muslim women have no role in society other than to provide the obvious (medicine and teaching).

Funny how scholars in the past didn't stop the scientist posted early? Why didn't tell her and others like her to get lost or otherwise do the obvious jobs (medicine)? Why is that they didn't punish women that did other jobs that is not in teaching sector or medicine.

It is only recently you all want to go backwards.

Btw there parts of the quran where it praises muslim in general who contribute to society that includes women. And luckily there scholars that don't condemn but praise mothers and those who work. Plus you and others are so quick to highlight about women's rights to spend her own income and have her own property to non muslims yet you are dead set against those that do lol

So how do you think women gains her property and income without working?

Next time, when you decide to highlight this to a non women to prove muslim are not oppressed, please be honest and write

P.s btw I don't think women should work unless they are doctors or teachers.

Btw I am not saying ALL or most women should work, they should be given the choice.
Best regards,

 

[CosmicPathos]

Aisha's military

for which she repented? and now you are sayign there are opposite sides. lol. when the person herself is regretting her mistake in recorded narrations, why are you dwelling on "oppositde" sides? fatwa shopping?

 

[CosmicPathos]

gains her property and income without working

inheritance. or business in which she doesnt have to deal with men.

 

[Rhubarb Tart]

inheritance. or business in which she doesnt have to deal with men.

rubbish!

how do you suppose she can to business without dealing with men? Inheritance is NOT her own income. Plus women get FAR less then men.

Hardly doubt women are allowed to inherit property because that would significant share of the inheritance. And as already mentioned women get FAR less!

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[GuestFellow]

maybe you are hanging too much with muslim women, and not with brothers? time to change non-mehram company brother.

Salaam,

You should not be quick to make accusations. I don't have Muslim female friends. I think I touched a nerve.