What is Women Role in Islam?

[CosmicPathos]

You haven't address racist part? Funny how you accuse a writer early of nationalism when you nationalist yourself? You are so proud of your culture, you wouldn't let your so called future daughter marry anyone else! Nationalist, racist and sexist all in one! One could never guess!

as proud as Prophet Muhammad pbuh was of his Quraishi lineage and from a pure lineage, which he was not but did acknowledge the benefits it gave him, people had to think twice before thinking to murder the Prophet pbuh, just because of his lineage and tribe.

If that is "racist" in your brain, so be it, I dont give peanuts. And if being dominant is sexist, so be it too. Let nature take its course!

 

[Scimitar]

Women in the workplace...

When I got engaged the second time around, I broke it off with the fiance after an incident... I mean, there were doubts due to other matters but this was a major contributing factor.

She used to work for well known sauce brand. One day at lunch time she called me and asked if I'd like to meet up after work, I said "yep". And trotted off down the tube when the time was near. Got to her workplace and noticed that as i was walking up to the building, she was waiting outside for me. Every male colleague of hers that was leaving the bulding got a kiss on the cheek and a friendly hug, evry female colleague? Just a friendly "bye see you tomorrow" kinda thing... this put me off her so much that I left her hanging and went straight home.

Good thing she never noticed me... Now, this is a woman who wore a hijaab and supposedly prayed her salaah 5 times (even at work)... I found that very hard to beleive after what I witnessed.

Scimi

 

[TrueStranger]

I am in full agreement of this.

Brother, the question these women don't ask is "what kind of fitna will I be for the men if I have to work alongside them?" and they do not even understand the connotations of this question...

connotations like "if i become a fitna for them, will part of the punishment be visited upon me too?"

Taqwa, they need to understand what that really is.

Scimi

Are you associating having a higher education/degree/career with wearing revealing cloths?

 

[Scimitar]

Look at the example above your post akhi.

Clothes... hmmm... you can be a full clothed Muslima, but if you can't control your mouth, you may as well be naked like the rest of these western chooks.

Scimi

 

[TrueStranger]

Look at the example above your post akhi.

Scimi

Bro,

What does your personal encounter has to with making a correlation between higher education/career with sinning?

 

[Scimitar]

I used an example... that is also from personal experience... double whammy.

If I didn't use real world examples, what kind of theoretical take will I be providing here? Answer that?

Scimi

 

[CosmicPathos]

Are you associating having a higher education/degree/career with wearing revealing cloths?

most female cardiologists, neurologists etc that I do know, do in general wear clothes that are revealing. Skirts knee length with toned calves fully bare? At least in clinics, if not in OR. There they are forced to be conservatively dressed in scrubs.

I guess it goes without saying that good academic career goes along with possessing good genes and hence physical beauty, which then they expose. Doll up everyday before going to see patients, the very patients some of whom might be dying from cancer! Just dont want to look unsexy in front of such a patient.

 

[Scimitar]

Now isn't that the truth? I see this all too frequently.

Scimi

 

[TrueStranger]

Look at the example above your post akhi.

Clothes... hmmm... you can be a full clothed Muslima, but if you can't control your mouth, you may as well be naked like the rest of these western chooks.

Scimi

I hope that is not directed towards me. If so, I suggest you take your own advice.

Again, what does your personal encounters have to do with making a direct correlation between having a higher degree and sinning?

 

[TrueStranger]

most female cardiologists, neurologists etc that I do know, do in general wear clothes that are revealing. Skirts knee length with legs fully bare? At least in clinics, if not in OR. There they are forced to be conservatively dressed in scrubs.

I guess it goes without saying that good academic career goes along with possessing good genes and hence physical beauty, which then they expose. Doll up everyday before going to see patients, the very patients some of whom might be dying from cancer! Just dont want to look unsexy in front of such a patient.

And i have seen plenty of women who work in the medical field that still wear their hijab and baggy pants. It goes without saying that you have your eyes too much on women that are revealed.

 

[Scimitar]

I hope that is not directed towards me. If so, I suggest you take your own advice.

Again, what does your personal encounters have to do with making a direct correlation between having a higher degree and sinning?

Oh come on, sis, I know nothing about you... women are so defensive on this topic, to the point that each generalisation is somehow a direct insult to the one reading? I thought Muslims were bigger than this, clearly I was wrong...

... But hey, maybe you have a guilty conscious? and therefore feel like this is directed towards you? If so... humph.

But seriously sis, this is NOT directed towards you. Like I said above, I know nothing about you...

And i have seen plenty of women who work in the medical field that still wear their hijab and baggy pants. It goes without saying that you have your eyes too much on women that are revealed.

Is it now... lol WOmen wearing baggy pants in the medical field... OK. Now that's new. I'm still waiting for the day I see this.

Scimi

 

[جوري]

w salam,

sister these are really exceptions rather than the rule. I wish I could help such muslim sisters so that they could focus on more important issues such as families (if they had any) or their deen. I think this is where Bait al maal created by Umar (ra) could help. It was precisely for such women (and men) so that they dont have to be abused by rat and cat race.

salam

p.s. as for entitlement issues, women born to rich daddies, and despite working in Ernst n Young with a 6 figure salary, still are whiny and complaining and all that. I think we cannot generalize housewives in favor of working women. I was in process of talking to one such high achiever (family friends) for marriage, thanks to Allah I escaped unscathed.

wa3lykoum aslaam wr wb akhi,

These really aren't the exception, this is the human condition. I remember once during one of my rotations I saw this friendly rep who looked like she was so pampered the type of woman who is really working for luxury and of course she wasn't Muslim and we struck up a conversation about Renal failure given the nature of the work and she said how her brother has PKD was dying and that she was working to support and again it was putting such a strain on her relationship that she was in the process of divorcing.. We like to judge people on appearance unfortunately and we don't know of the struggles people are going through, Muslims or Kaffirs, at least we've hope in Allah whereas they've none save those that Allah swt takes mercy upon.

Secondly even if all circumstances were ideal to have a 'housewife' what of the things life throws your way, from unexpected death, illness, divorce etc.? It is very difficult even for a highly educated woman to get back into the field if she's been out for a few years. This society isn't in the least bit forgiving toward women and forgive me for saying the men did away with our ummah to come and pick on the weaker members with their chauvinism of this is what you should be doing or that is what you should be doing because you know what .. I'll say you should bring back ummat Mohammed in lieu of complaining about working women.
I am not happy Muslim women suffer the highest rate of depression unfortunately, we're the least complaining of women out there (I don't know if there's a formal statistic on that) but just seeing what the kaffirs complain about to compare with what we withstand and still with constant judgement and the morality squad constantly shake their fingers at you.. As the brother said on the other thread. "yes we've the right to judge'' Sob7an Allah I guess no truer words were ever spoken.
If you want to take care of those 'exceptions' you'll drown in your woes.. have a look at your sisters in Iraq who resort to prostitution to feed their kids and ask yourself what led them to such a state before questioning the moral compass of working women. On the lowest common denominator we're able to give of what we make to help such folks even as little as it maybe.
There's only one woman in my family (through marriage) who in spite of having two houses, one of which is a vacation home, a car of her own, three lovely kids, more often than not it is the husband who is cooking while also giving of what he earns to support her dead beat brother and her dead beat mother while she was alive (yes she's a convert) she's always with a complain and all the topics had for discussion have to hover around a certain sphere that we all have to cater to simply out of respect for that one person.
I am free to generalize as you seem to do the same..
If more men would treat their women with Islamic mannerism in spite of difficulties encountered through life you'd find most of us are more than willing to meet them more than 90% through. But You want a woman to bow to you in worship and frankly none of you are khalid or Omar or Abu Bakr or or or .. you expect women to be like umahat alm'momneen but where are you from the sahabas for these lofty expectations?

 

[CosmicPathos]

And i have seen plenty of women who work in the medical field that still wear their hijab and baggy pants. It goes without saying that you have your eyes too much on women that are revealed.

why wont I, when they make up majority of my professional colleagues? Why not feast the flesh? Sarcasm aside, I cant put blinders on my eyes just so they can look sexy.

Our psychiatry lecturer was something else, I wish I could convert and marry her.

 

[TrueStranger]

Oh come on, sis, I know nothing about you... women are so defensive on this topic, to the point that each generalisation is somehow a direct insult to the one reading? I thought Muslims were bigger than this, clearly I was wrong...

... But hey, maybe you have a guilty conscious? and therefore feel like this is directed towards you? If so... humph.

But seriously sis, this is NOT directed towards you. Like I said above, I know nothing about you...

Scimi

Don't make statements that do not make your point while simultaneously using words such as "you".

And for the last TIME, are you correlating having a higher education, which every Muslim woman is entitled to with sinning?

Anyways, MODS, please do close this thread. These men are causing too much fitna for me.

 

[Scimitar]

Our psychiatry lecturer was something else, I wish I could convert and marry her.

You kill me dude. ;D

Scimi

 

[ardianto]

Housewife is not always good wife. Good wife is not always housewife. There are many working women who have responsibility to serve the husband, and attention to the kids, better than the wives who stay at home. There are many wives who stay at home but too busy with themselves and have less responsibility to the husband and the kids.

This is what I have seen in my place.

 

[Scimitar]

Don't make statements that do not make your point while simultaneously using words such as "you".

And for the last TIME, are you correlating having a higher education, which every Muslim woman is entitled to with sinning?

Anyways, MODS, please do close this thread. These men are causing too much fitna for me.

Get educated, by all means... it's good to work that brain and have something to teach the children.

Women on this thread have selective memories...

Women can become Dr's Lawyers and whatever they like, as long as they fulfil their primary duty FIRST - to be a wife and a mother, meaning, raise the children and manage the home.

... eat more almonds.

Scimi

 

[CosmicPathos]

But You want a woman to bow to you in worship

A hadith says that if sajda was allowed to anyone else other than Allah, it would be to husband. I dont want my wife to bow to me even if it was allowed. I just want her to fulfill her roles diligently and myself to fulfill mine. And our roles are quite clear from Quran and Sunnah.

 

[TrueStranger]

Get educated, by all means... it's good to work that brain and have something to teach the children.

Women on this thread have selective memories...

... eat more almonds.

Scimi

LOL! I think men on this thread never bothered to write down memorable statements.

Some almonds? ;D

 

[جوري]

A hadith says that if sajda was allowed to anyone else other than Allah, it would be to husband. I dont want my wife to bow to me even if it was allowed. I just want her to fulfill her roles diligently and myself to fulfill mine. And our roles are quite clear from Quran and Sunnah.

You should quote what I have written in totality.. Your role which I pray to Allah swt you fulfill diligently isn't simply to provide for your family but to sustain and maintain the ummah.. A woman's J is her husband but a Man's J is what?

BTW I hold no ill will or grudges toward any Muslim men Allah swt knows of my intentions so if I may please me get this out of the way.. this is providing a little entertainment.. I don't really have a way to explain all this tension but it is quite amusing ;D