what is wrong with war?

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Allah says in the Qur'an what means:

Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities.Lo! Allah loves not, aggressors.(Al-Baqarah 2:190)

The above permission to fight clearly lays down the following conditions:
(1) Never commit aggression; fighting is allowed only for self-defense.
(2) Fighting must never be against non-combatants or non-fighting personnel.
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Please remember we are talking about concept of war and jihad according to islam.
 
brenton said:
I think God may call us to die in weakness, and we as Christians are called to live the principle of weakness in our lives, but as much as I admire the Mennonites, that isn't what I believe.
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I like the way you put it. Mennonites and Quakers changed a lot about my thinking about war (and place of faith in life). I have never accepted to the very end their position but I just can't get over it. They are like walking question marks to me...
syilla said:
Justice in Islam is everything because of Allah subhanahuwata'ala. Everything is because of Him, not about politics or any other kind of reason other than that.
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But who decides about war? Politicians. War are usually between states - so there is always politics. And sometimes few noble aims among many lowlife reasons
Fighting must never be against non-combatants or non-fighting personnel
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maybe in perfect world this would be the case. But in this world when you accept war, it would be more then naivety to think that they would not be hurt. In fact it would be just lying to ourself.
 
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duskiness said:
But who decides about war? Politicians. War are usually between states - so there is always politics. And sometimes few noble aims among many lowlife reasons
maybe in perfect world this would be the case. But in this world when you accept war, it would be more then naivety to think that they would not be hurt. In fact it would be just lying to ourself.
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The ulama' (scholars) whom usually decides.

But you are right about the accepting war nowadays. But what about during the prophet time? What do you think?
 
War is OK only if 1) in the path of God and 2) under the leadership of Imam.
And the 2 are well-defined in the Glorious Quran.
The key word is to know the Imam Today?!
 
> I wish peace in the world....for once.
No peace without Imam?
See what happened and happens among Muslims under the leadership of non-Muslims? Remember:
1. Palestine is occupied since 1948 and the Muslims are still divided.
2. Arabs supported Saddam against Iran on the pretexts of Sunni/Shii and Arabs/Persians .
3. Kuwait of Arabs was invaded by Saddam.
4. Saddam was crushed with the help of Muslims save Iran.
5. Iraq was invaded with the help of Arabs save Iran.
6. ++++
 
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Interesting. All problems are caused by non-Muslims. The real advantage of that is Muslims don't have to take responsibility for anything wrong.
 
Does anybody engage in warfare and not think they are justified?

I will agree that there are times war is unavoidable. There are even times it is necessary.


In my humble opinion it can only be justified if all possible means to prevent it have been exhausted and an aggressor is still actively engaged in trying to destroy you.

Sadly the world has many more incentives to pursue warfare than to seek prevention of it.

So "What is wrong with war?"

I doubt if it can be reduced to a right or wrong question. It is an unanswered question of "if all means to prevent it have been used." We can only pray that our individual actions were necessary and Justified.
 
Blessings and peace be with you Um_ahmad;
I wish peace in the world....for once.
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I believe you are right; this is the greatest way to bring glory to God.

How do we bring glory to God through war, even so called self defence, how do we help God by trying to prolong our life by killing others in self defence?

We will all stand before God at some point, how will we try and justify the violence we used in our time on Earth.

In the spirit of praying for peace on Earth

Eric
 
In the face of violent attack, one's only option is to die or fight. In those circumstances perhaps it is justified that one reacts violently. I do know that it is human nature to do so.
 
Greetings and peace be with you Keltoi;
In the face of violent attack, one's only option is to die or fight. In those circumstances perhaps it is justified that one reacts violently. I do know that it is human nature to do so
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I agree with you that it seems to be in human nature to fight back when under attack.

But was Christ trying to teach us the ways of God in the Garden of Gethsemane, at his trial and through his crucifixion. He had the means to fight back by calling on legions of Angels to help him, but he chose a different way.

In the spirit of striving for peace in my heart.

Eric
 
Eric H said:
Greetings and peace be with you Keltoi;

I agree with you that it seems to be in human nature to fight back when under attack.

But was Christ trying to teach us the ways of God in the Garden of Gethsemane, at his trial and through his crucifixion. He had the means to fight back by calling on legions of Angels to help him, but he chose a different way.

In the spirit of striving for peace in my heart.

Eric
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Absolutely. If all of mankind attempted to be more like Christ we wouldn't be in any of this mess.
 
Greetings and peace be with you Keltoi;
If all of mankind attempted to be more like Christ we wouldn't be in any of this mess.
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At Church today we listened to Lukes Gospel.

Lk 6:27-38

Jesus said to his disciples:
“To you who hear I say,
love your enemies, do good to those who hate you,
bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you.
To the person who strikes you on one cheek,
offer the other one as well,
and from the person who takes your cloak,
do not withhold even your tunic.
Give to everyone who asks of you,
and from the one who takes what is yours do not demand it back.
Do to others as you would have them do to you.
For if you love those who love you,
what credit is that to you?
Even sinners love those who love them.
And if you do good to those who do good to you,
what credit is that to you?
Even sinners do the same.
If you lend money to those from whom you expect repayment,
what credit is that to you?
Even sinners lend to sinners,
and get back the same amount.
But rather, love your enemies and do good to them,
and lend expecting nothing back;
then your reward will be great
and you will be children of the Most High,
for he himself is kind to the ungrateful and the wicked.
Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.

“Stop judging and you will not be judged.
Stop condemning and you will not be condemned.
Forgive and you will be forgiven.
Give, and gifts will be given to you;
a good measure, packed together, shaken down, and overflowing,
will be poured into your lap.
For the measure with which you measure
will in return be measured out to you.”

In the spirit of praying for peace

Eric
 
Lessons should be learnt from the last defensive war of Hizbullah under the leadership of Hasan Nasrullah, the man of peace and war.
 
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Eric H said:
Greetings and peace be with you Keltoi;


At Church today we listened to Lukes Gospel.

Lk 6:27-38

Jesus said to his disciples:
“To you who hear I say,
love your enemies, do good to those who hate you,
bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you.
To the person who strikes you on one cheek,
offer the other one as well,
and from the person who takes your cloak,
do not withhold even your tunic.
Give to everyone who asks of you,
and from the one who takes what is yours do not demand it back.
Do to others as you would have them do to you.
For if you love those who love you,
what credit is that to you?
Even sinners love those who love them.
And if you do good to those who do good to you,
what credit is that to you?
Even sinners do the same.
If you lend money to those from whom you expect repayment,
what credit is that to you?
Even sinners lend to sinners,
and get back the same amount.
But rather, love your enemies and do good to them,
and lend expecting nothing back;
then your reward will be great
and you will be children of the Most High,
for he himself is kind to the ungrateful and the wicked.
Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.

“Stop judging and you will not be judged.
Stop condemning and you will not be condemned.
Forgive and you will be forgiven.
Give, and gifts will be given to you;
a good measure, packed together, shaken down, and overflowing,
will be poured into your lap.
For the measure with which you measure
will in return be measured out to you.”

In the spirit of praying for peace

Eric
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good saying . it seems rather the same sayings of the prophet muhammad peace be upon him and upon jesus also
aliitle question
how many american are christian?
 

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