What Is Your Problem

[Amadeus85]

For me it is no problem to say something positive about islam- for example- in islam family is very important, and muslims are conservative and dont forget about their traditions, and of course religion is important in muslims' life.

 

[England]

Why should we say anything positive about Islam when at the same time you cannot say anything positive about other religions/beliefs? I think it's pathetic when muslims tell us that we're going to hell, Islam is the one true religion, blar-de-blar. Not one can provide proof that Islam is the truth yet still shove their views down non-muslims throats. Talking to non-muslims like a piece of turd, looking down on them.

"You're going to hell for being a non muslim"

PROVE IT.

To me religion is a complete waste of time. In what I believe, religion is irrelevant to the afterlife. Yeah there is a God, yeah be thankful to him, be a decent human being but religion? Pfft naah, there's no need! You'll not be sent to hell for virtual nothing at all.

 

[- Qatada -]

Why should we say anything positive about Islam when at the same time you cannot say anything positive about other religions/beliefs? I think it's pathetic when muslims tell us that we're going to hell, Islam is the one true religion, blar-de-blar.

Which religion doesn't claim to be the truth?

Not one can provide proof that Islam is the truth yet still shove their views down non-muslims throats. Talking to non-muslims like a piece of turd, looking down on them.

I think it's not us mate, just reflect on your own post. And we don't need to look down upon anyone since we're responsible for our ownselves, and every soul will be questioned about its own actions & deeds, we will be for ours, and you will be for yours.

"You're going to hell for being a non muslim"

PROVE IT.

Then explain why God created us, since you believe in Him anyway.

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To me religion is a complete waste of time. In what I believe, religion is irrelevant to the afterlife. Yeah there is a God, yeah be thankful to him, be a decent human being but religion? Pfft naah, there's no need! You'll not be sent to hell for virtual nothing at all.

Who defines decent? Is it God, if it is - then how come you don't believe He explains to us what is decent? How do you be thankful to Him - by obeying Him. If you do good, you get rewarded with Paradise which is the real home of those who obeyed God and His Messengers', if you disobeyed and were to arrogant to accept - then you get punished in the hellfire. That's the warning and glad tidings given to every servant of His.

Why should someone get rewarded for evil? And why should someone be punished for doing good? God is just to ALL His servants, and if you deny the truth when it comes to you, you can wait, and we too are waiting.



Peace.

 

[England]

Which religion doesn't claim to be the truth?

Which religion forces their extreme views down other's throats. Which religion TELLS us we're going to hell for not following their religion? Which religions looks down on other religions?

I think it's not us mate, just reflect on your own post. And we don't need to look down upon anyone since we're responsible for our ownselves, and every soul will be questioned about its own actions & deeds, we will be for ours, and you will be for yours.

It's me? Why? The question was "what is your problem" and the post was a response to the question. I cannot see anything that has forced my belief down your throats. I can't see anything that tells you that you're going to hell.

Then explain why God created us, since you believe in Him anyway.

Nobody knows, not even YOU. Perhaps he made because he is good. Why did our parents give birth to us? I don't have to get down on my knees and worship, pray 5 times a day to my parents do I?

Who defines decent? Is it God, if it is - then how come you don't believe He explains to us what is decent? How do you be thankful to Him - by obeying Him. If you do good, you get rewarded with Paradise which is the real home of those who obeyed God and His Messengers', if you disobeyed and were to arrogant to accept - then you get punished in the hellfire. That's the warning and glad tidings given to every servant of His.

We've had this discussion once before and this has already been answered by someone before I had even replied. You've already asked this question and it's already been answered. I'm sure it was you. It's not hard to distinguish between what's good and what's bad. How do you be thankful to God? By appreciating what he did, by being a good human being, not by worshipping. As for the rest of that paragraph that's just your belief. It's not fact and I don't believe in it.

Why should someone get rewarded for evil? And why should someone be punished for doing good? God is just to ALL His servants, and if you deny the truth when it comes to you, you can wait, and we too are waiting.

Who says we'll get rewarded for evil? I definately DID not say that. If you're referring to the fact people don't follow Islam as an evil act then that's ridiculous. You won't get punished for doing good but why would anyone get punished for not believing in religious beliefs despite them being decent, caring, grateful human beings?

 

[Sami Zaatari]

which religion tells ppl their going to hell for not believing? erm its not Islam only, the bible does too:

http://muslim-responses.com/Going_to_Hell_/Going_to_Hell_

at least if you want to argue, argue with facts, not ignorance. as for shoving down our beliefs onto you, Islam says theres no compulsion in Islam, we cant convert you, and there is not a single hadith showing the blessed prophet Muhammad forcing people to listen to him, or convert to Islam, hence again your claims are wrong. so argue from facts in the future, not ignorance plz cause as they say, inconsistency is the sign of a FAILED argument.

 

[- Qatada -]

Which religion forces their extreme views down other's throats. Which religion TELLS us we're going to hell for not following their religion?

Has anyone forced you to come on the site?

Christianity tells you that if you don't believe in Jesus's sacrifice, you'll go hell. The jews believe that you go to hell. The chinese religion of Di-Yu believes that people are punished in hell. The hindus believe in a concept of hell.

Which religions looks down on other religions?

If someone follows a certain religion, they do so because they feel its the truth. If they didn't think it was the truth - they wouldn't have followed it. So if they believe they are on the truth, then they look at the other religions as false. Therefore looking down upon them since they feel they are upon the truth.

It's me? Why? The question was "what is your problem" and the post was a response to the question. I cannot see anything that has forced my belief down your throats. I can't see anything that tells you that you're going to hell.

If you feel you're upon the truth, then we need more than your experiences. We need something which people can agree on together.

Nobody knows, not even YOU. Perhaps he made because he is good. Why did our parents give birth to us? I don't have to get down on my knees and worship, pray 5 times a day to my parents do I?

Was it our parents who created us, or did they even create themselves? Did they turn that sperm drop into a baby themselves? Which then grew up into an adult? Did they get all the wealth they have themselves? Or did God give them the health (i.e. eyesight, hearing etc) they have so they can earn that money?

Shouldn't we be thankful to Him for all that? Even when we do that, we still can't be since even our thankfulness to Him is a blessing, since we wouldn't be able to do it unless He gave us the ability to.

We've had this discussion once before and this has already been answered by someone before I had even replied. You've already asked this question and it's already been answered. I'm sure it was you. It's not hard to distinguish between what's good and what's bad. How do you be thankful to God? By appreciating what he did, by being a good human being, not by worshipping. As for the rest of that paragraph that's just your belief. It's not fact and I don't believe in it.

How do you appreciate Him? And who defines being a good human being? It's none other than God Himself who sends the Criterion [Revelation i.e. the Qur'an] to His Messengers'. And the reason He doesn't show Himself is because it's all a test, if He showed himself - then the whole concept of the test would be over.

Blessed is He in Whose hand is the kingdom, and He has power over all things,

He Who created Death and Life, that He may try which of you is best in deed: and He is the Exalted in Might, Oft-Forgiving;-

[Qur'an 67: 1-2]


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I've already explained that worship can be anything which draws one closer to God, whether its inwardly or outwardly. Loving God is worship (an inward act of worship) and being kind to the creation is also an act of worship if it is done to please God.

Who says we'll get rewarded for evil? I definately DID not say that. If you're referring to the fact people don't follow Islam as an evil act then that's ridiculous. You won't get punished for doing good but why would anyone get punished for not believing in religious beliefs despite them being decent, caring, grateful human beings?

Do you believe that God is Alone worthy of worship? No idols, no humans etc? God explains to us what is wrong and right/good and bad. If someone belies His message and takes it as a joke - then they are doing something evil. They're not being thankful, infact they're opposing God by rejecting His Messengers'. If they accepted God's Messengers' and did good, then their reward would be with Him. But those who reject God's message and disbelieve, then God is not in need of them, and they will be punished for that.

 

[England]

which religion tells ppl their going to hell for not believing? erm its not Islam only, the bible does too:

http://muslim-responses.com/Going_to_Hell_/Going_to_Hell_

at least if you want to argue, argue with facts, not ignorance. as for shoving down our beliefs onto you, Islam says theres no compulsion in Islam, we cant convert you, and there is not a single hadith showing the blessed prophet Muhammad forcing people to listen to him, or convert to Islam, hence again your claims are wrong. so argue from facts in the future, not ignorance plz cause as they say, inconsistency is the sign of a FAILED argument.

I don't hear from many Christians AT ALL. Not once have I been told I'm going to hell, that our women are slags for showing a bit of leg, arm or whatever. The fact that I didn't know the bible states that we'll go to hell, which I believe is false anyway, just goes to show how Christians don't force their religion down our throats.
You say there is no compulsion in Islam but that means "being forced to becoming a muslim" but you force your religion on us which is totally different. You also feel superior to non-muslims, call our women slags, look at non-muslims as dirt.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

PROVE IT..

the proof is all around

ACCEPT IT..

 

[Sami Zaatari]

I don't hear from many Christians AT ALL. Not once have I been told I'm going to hell, that our women are slags for showing a bit of leg, arm or whatever. The fact that I didn't know the bible states that we'll go to hell, which I believe is false anyway, just goes to show how Christians don't force their religion down our throats.
You say there is no compulsion in Islam but that means "being forced to becoming a muslim" but you force your religion on us which is totally different. You also feel superior to non-muslims, call our women slags, look at non-muslims as dirt.

so your saying ALL muslims have told you your going to hell? and you said our religion, now if you said muslims then ok, but yes our religion says it, but so does christianity!

anyways, you should really go listen to conservative christians in usa, trust me, they say ur going to hell, everyone is. as for calling your women this and that, your men call our women lots of foul names too, you have called our womens a walking vagina! i have heard all that, hairy muslim women, ugly muslim women, etc etc, so whats your point in bringing that up, all do wrong, we should look at what the religion says, and the Quran, nor the prophet Muhammad ever called your women slags.

 

[Sami Zaatari]

and its not muslims who come knocking on your door neither, christians do that, knocking on your door comming to preach!

 

[wilberhum]

This is what i've noticed if something positive is mentioned about islam, all the non-muslims try to put it down, i dont understand can't you just say one positive thing.
Actually can we all say at least one positive thing about other faiths not your own faith, or culture.
All this hatred will just consume YOU. give it a try..........

What I have noticed is a general intolerance to anyone who thinks differently.
The posts on this thread backup my conclusion.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

What I have noticed is a general intolerance to anyone who thinks differently.
The posts on this thread backup my conclusion.

intolerance is harsh enforcement of ones views upon another, we are tolerant, we are just not sympathatic with anothers view.

understand the difference dhimmi

 

[wilberhum]

intolerance is harsh enforcement of ones views upon another, we are tolerant, we are just not sympathatic with anothers view.

understand the difference dhimmi

No, intolerance is the right word. Well demonstrated by anyone that would say [MAD]can anything be good when the intention is corrupt?[/MAD] ,regarding all other religions. Not to mention the general degrading the "D" name which in terms of degrading in not much different than the "N" word.
Just more proof of intolerance.

 

[England]

the proof is all around

ACCEPT IT..

Where? Show me. I cannot see it.

so your saying ALL muslims have told you your going to hell? and you said our religion, now if you said muslims then ok, but yes our religion says it, but so does christianity!

anyways, you should really go listen to conservative christians in usa, trust me, they say ur going to hell, everyone is. as for calling your women this and that, your men call our women lots of foul names too, you have called our womens a walking vagina! i have heard all that, hairy muslim women, ugly muslim women, etc etc, so whats your point in bringing that up, all do wrong, we should look at what the religion says, and the Quran, nor the prophet Muhammad ever called your women slags.

I've heard it everywhere from muslims, on the tv, on the radio, seen it on the streets with great big banners. You see an extreme reaction if for one second you criticise Islam, question it or even draw a silly little picture of the prophet. For example, in London;

I've never heard anyone call muslim women "walking vaginas" in my life or "hairy women" or anything alike. I don't care what the Quran says. The actions of muslims are more important.

and its not muslims who come knocking on your door neither, christians do that, knocking on your door comming to preach!

I've never had a Christian knock on my door to encourage me to their religion EVER.

I'm off out in a minute people to drink some alcohol and go out pulling :X Oh dear... off with my head!

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

No, intolerance is the right word. Well demonstrated by anyone that would say [MAD]can anything be good when the intention is corrupt?[/MAD] ,regarding all other religions. Not to mention the general degrading the "D" name which in terms of degrading in not much different than the "N" word.
Just more proof of intolerance.

im not gonna bother arguing with someone as confused as you :rollseyes

 

[Sami Zaatari]

Where? Show me. I cannot see it.



I've heard it everywhere from muslims, on the tv, on the radio, seen it on the streets with great big banners. You see an extreme reaction if for one second you criticise Islam, question it or even draw a silly little picture of the prophet. For example, in London;

I've never heard anyone call muslim women "walking vaginas" in my life or "hairy women" or anything alike. I don't care what the Quran says. The actions of muslims are more important.



I've never had a Christian knock on my door to encourage me to their religion EVER.

I'm off out in a minute people to drink some alcohol and go out pulling :X Oh dear... off with my head!

lol so you generalize 1.6 billion muslims with around 200 uk muslims, lol erm?

i can bring pictures of christians saying kill gays, kill lesbians, kill abortionists, pat robertson was on tv saying kill hugo chavez, ann coulter was on tv saying invade all muslim countries and convert them to christianity.

you say you havent heard ppl call muslim women bad names, well i have, and many others too, so therefore the point of insulting each others women is mute since both do it.

 

[Keltoi]

"What is your problem?" I think the problem is fairly easy to see by the posts on this thread.

 

[aadil77]

forgive me

i meant, if you DIE upon those views i have no doubt your going to hell. but if you become muslim then its up 2 Allah.. and i dont pass any judgement on it. i dont pass judgement on anything actually, Allah has already decreed that disbelievers will go to hell...s o become muslims if you want to be saved!


i hope this is more clear


let it be known that i believe with a hundred percent certainty that anyone who died on other then islam is in the fire...

lol I wish the whole world could read this and accept islam without thinking twice

 

[Eric H]

Greetings blessings and peace be with you eyeofthestorm;

Welcome to the forum and I believe you started this thread with very good intentions, please do not be disheartened by all that has been said. Your heart is in the right place and you must persevere with your good intentions despite all that has been said.

I admire the way Muslims pray, I admire their modesty and their submission to Allah.

My dentist is a very kind Muslim lady and she has been more caring then other dentists I have been to.

I came across a Sikh gentleman yesterday and he said we are all created by the same God and we should learn to live in peace together.

I admire the Buddhist philosophy and it has helped me to understand Christianity more.

There is one God, and this same God hears the prayers of all people of all faiths.

In the spirit of praying for peace on Earth despite all our differences.

Eric

 

[Umm Yoosuf]

Hi England

I think you're quite naive for judging Islam by the actions of few individuals. Imagine people judged Christianity or Hinduism by the follows? Imagine I judge a whole family based on one of their rude and corrupt child? What a sad way to think.