What is your take on these claims?

[BasinEMT]

Hi all. Non-Muslim here. I have taken a keen interest in Islam and have considered converting, however, I'd like to lay down some common western objections to Islam and see if you could offer any insights as to their validity.


First, I hear a lot that Islam is a "supremacist" ideology. This means that because Islam is God's will, and because it is superior to all other religion or ideology, it is then justified to subject non-Muslims to Islamic rule. I even heard of a sort of tax that non-Muslims must pay to Muslims.


Second, I have heard that the Quran and the Prophet endorse slavery, and specifically, sex slavery.


Third, there seems to be a significant amount of gender inequality and subjugation of women in Islam, particularly in countries such as Saudi Arabia. How close is this to true Islam?


Fourth, critics often talk about a child bride married to Muhammad, and thus collude that adult men marrying female children is okay in Islam.


Finally, critics accuse the Quran and Muslims of promoting a significant amount of hatred toward non-Muslims, as if non-Muslims are "less than"


If I could have the actual words of real Muslims dispelling these claims, that would be awesome


Have a nice day everyone.

 

[Scimitar]

Peace be upon you brother BasinEMT

Hi all. Non-Muslim here. I have taken a keen interest in Islam and have considered converting, however, I'd like to lay down some common western objections to Islam and see if you could offer any insights as to their validity.

God willing I can help you to put your qualms to rest,

First, I hear a lot that Islam is a "supremacist" ideology. This means that because Islam is God's will, and because it is superior to all other religion or ideology, it is then justified to subject non-Muslims to Islamic rule. I even heard of a sort of tax that non-Muslims must pay to Muslims.

Islam is not supremacist, as the very word suggests a racial superiority, whilst Islam is for all people regardless of colour. In the final address of the Prophet Muhammad pbuh, his closing words were as follows:

All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety (taqwa) and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim which belongs to a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly. Do not, therefore, do injustice to yourselves.

Source

Second, I have heard that the Quran and the Prophet endorse slavery, and specifically, sex slavery.

A popular claim by the west. The reality is that Islam gave salves their rights and the Prophet Muhammad pbuh encouraged the freeing of slaves. IN fact, during this period of world history, slavery was a part of accepted society all over the world, and no slaves had rights - yet, in Islam - you will find that in the Qur'an and in the Sunnah (example of the prophet) that slavery was a thing which was slowly removed from Islamic society in general.

It is with much happiness that I am able to declare that Islam abolished slavery and gave slaves equal rights to their masters, a slave was considered as ones household member, not to be abused or worked into the ground... in fact, many Arabs adopted their slaves as their inheritors. So when the owner died, his slave was one of the inheritors of his estate.

Where else in world history has this actually happened en masse? Nowhere. The subject is a delicate one, as our preconceived notions of slavery hold a deep bias.

take for example, how some slaves willingly gave themselves to their owners for life because to be attached to such men of high social status was an honour itself - even so, Islam discouraged it, and encouraged equal rights for all.

In the words of Umar RA: how can I accept to make a man a slave when he was born a free soul?

Third, there seems to be a significant amount of gender inequality and subjugation of women in Islam, particularly in countries such as Saudi Arabia. How close is this to true Islam?

It may surprise you to know that Islam gives the women more rights over their men than the other way round. The proof of this statement is in the fact that with the number of converts worldwide to the Islamic faith, the women out number the men at a ratio of 4/1 in Islamic conversions... if Islam didn't give women their rights in this, the modern age - how do we explain the phenomenal statistic I just threw here?

The truth is this brother, there is a heck of a smear campain on Islam and it started way before we were born, yet truth prevails and so, we find you here with your genuine concerns which we will answer in good time, God willing.

Fourth, critics often talk about a child bride married to Muhammad, and thus collude that adult men marrying female children is okay in Islam.

I made a video about this years ago but closed my channel down. Aisha's age was garbled by Hisham ibn Urwa, who was a narrator of hadeeth, however in tehzibul tehzib - a book which comment on the reliability of narrators, it mentions that any hadeeth narrated by Hisham ibn Urwa while he was in Iraq is doubtful because he had reached old age and was known to suffer from amnesia, and senile. Thus it was also reported that any of his five students who reported from him in Iraq were also to be excluded from the hasan grading.

Further, we find that in the actual ahadeeth regarding her age, we find a numerical error in the fact that the 1 was very much faded and the 9 visible, leading us to think that she was nine at the age of consummation. She was 19 and God knows best.

The video I made perfectly explained things. Shame I closed the channel down.

Finally, critics accuse the Quran and Muslims of promoting a significant amount of hatred toward non-Muslims, as if non-Muslims are "less than"

This is false, a hadeeth to prove it:

If I could have the actual words of real Muslims dispelling these claims, that would be awesome


Have a nice day everyone.

I am a Muslim,

Have a nice day too, and God bless

Scimi

 

[AbdurRahman.]

Hi all. Non-Muslim here. I have taken a keen interest in Islam and have considered converting, however, I'd like to lay down some common western objections to Islam and see if you could offer any insights as to their validity.

Hi and welcome!

First, I hear a lot that Islam is a "supremacist" ideology. This means that because Islam is God's will, and because it is superior to all other religion or ideology, it is then justified to subject non-Muslims to Islamic rule. I even heard of a sort of tax that non-Muslims must pay to Muslims.

Muslims themselves are commanded to be humble hence they always have a lowly opinion of themselves and hold other people, even non-muslims to be better than them [as non-muslims sin in ignorance while a muslim has no excuse to sin], however since Quran is from God this is why we hold it to be superior than all other way of life. back in the days of Prophet [saw] the world was polarised such that if you did not invade, you yourself will be invaded, hence expanding the Islamic empire was the only way, but nowadays, in the days of diplomacy and interdependency, diplomatic relations are the way forward and shariah law is only established over belligerent non-muslims who are bent on war

Second, I have heard that the Quran and the Prophet endorse slavery, and specifically, sex slavery.

I second brother Timi Scar on this

Third, there seems to be a significant amount of gender inequality and subjugation of women in Islam, particularly in countries such as Saudi Arabia. How close is this to true Islam?

it is true unfortunately but this is out of ignorance and culture in some muslim societies but Islam itself holds women in the utmost respect and enjoins love mercy and a high level of tolerance towards them

Fourth, critics often talk about a child bride married to Muhammad, and thus collude that adult men marrying female children is okay in Islam.

I have to disagree with brother Timi Scar on this and say that here is a consensus of sunni Scholars that Ayesha [ra] got married at age of 6-7 and marriage consummated at 9; there are multiply transmitted hadiths from Ayesha [ra] herself confirming this thus they are infallible [i.e, so many recorded statements from Ayesha exist putting her age at 9 at consummation that it virtually would have been impossible for all of them narrators to collude to tell a lie]. as for now, marriage with a girl as young as 9 will only be ok if it is not harmful in a society and culture and the government itself allows it; the government has the right to set the marriage age for girls at 18 [in one of the mainstream schools [hanafi]; this goes to show the most suitable 'age of consent/marriage' is to be picked according to culture and society

Finally, critics accuse the Quran and Muslims of promoting a significant amount of hatred toward non-Muslims, as if non-Muslims are "less than"

Islam is similar to Christianity in this in that we hate the sin of any people but not the sinner themselves; we love all people and want the best for them

hatred is only for the belligerent war mongers out of the non-muslims

If I could have the actual words of real Muslims dispelling these claims, that would be awesome


Have a nice day everyone.

hope this helps

slaam!

 

[Scimitar]

Hi and welcome!
I have to disagree with brother Timi Scar on this and say that here is a consensus of sunni Scholars that Ayesha [ra] got married at age of 6-7 and marriage consummated at 9; there are multiply transmitted hadiths from Ayesha [ra] herself confirming this thus they are infallible [i.e, so many recorded statements from Ayesha exist putting her age at 9 at consummation that it virtually would have been impossible for all of them narrators to collude to tell a lie]. as for now, marriage with a girl as young as 9 will only be ok if it is not harmful in a society and culture and the government itself allows it; the government has the right to set the marriage age for girls at 18 [in one of the mainstream schools [hanafi]; this goes to show the most suitable 'age of consent/marriage' is to be picked according to culture and society

Please present your proof, not the repeat of what scholars have said - I have already sent emails to scholars regarding this issue and none want to debate it.

So please - I will be waiting.

I have information which makes scholars uncomfortable - they are not infallible. Remember that.

Scimi

 

[AbdurRahman.]

Please present your proof, not the repeat of what scholars have said - I have already sent emails to scholars regarding this issue and none want to debate it.

So please - I will be waiting.

I have information which makes scholars uncomfortable - they are not infallible. Remember that.

Scimi

salaam brother

what I mean is the information in those hadiths is infallible due to the near impossibilty of them being a lie; this is what the scholars say of multiply transmitted hadiths [mutawatir] brother; it makes sense too, for example we have not seen world war 2, but due to the so many eye witness reports of D day landings for example, we can be certain it indeed happened exactly in that way

the proof is right here brother:

. In addition to the above four Madinese Tabi`in narrators, Sufyan ibn `Uyayna – from Khurasan – and `Abd Allah ibn Muhammad ibn Yahya – from Tabarayya in Palestine – both report it. Nor was this hadith reported only by `Urwa but also by `Abd al-Malik ibn `Umayr, al- Aswad, Ibn Abi Mulayka, Abu Salama ibn `Abd al-Rahman ibn `Awf, Yahya ibn `Abd al- Rahman ibn Hatib, Abu `Ubayda (`Amir ibn `Abd Allah ibn Mas`ud) and others of the Tabi`i Imams directly from `A’isha.

This makes the report mass-transmitted (mutawatir) from `A’isha by over eleven authorities among the Tabi`in, not counting the other major Companions that reported the same, such as Ibn Mas`ud nor other major Successors that reported it from other than `A’isha, such as Qatada!

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=i...addad+ayeshas+age+at+marriage+was+9+mutawatir


As for the mutawâtir, nobody can question its authenticity. The fact narrated by a mutawâtir chain is always accepted as an absolute truth even if pertaining to our daily life. Any statement based on a mutawâtir narration must be accepted by everyone without any hesitation. I have never seen the city of Moscow, but the fact that Moscow is a large city and is the capital of U.S.S.R. is an absolute truth which cannot be denied. This fact is proved, to me, by a large number of narrators who have seen the city. This is a continuously narrated, or a mutawâtir, fact which cannot be denied or questioned.
I have not seen the events of the First and the Second World War. But the fact that these two wars occurred stands proved without a shadow of doubt on the basis of the mutawâtir reports about them. Nobody with a sound sense can claim that all those who reported the occurrence of these two wars have colluded to coin a fallacious report and that no war took place at all. This strong belief in the factum of war is based on the mutawâtir reports of the event.

In the same way the mutawâtir reports about the sunnah of the Holy Prophet ([SUB]

[/SUB]) are to be held as absolutely true without any iota of doubt in their authenticity. The authenticity of the Holy Qur’ân being the same Book as that revealed to the Holy Prophet ([SUB]

[/SUB]) is of the same nature. Thus, the mutawâtir ahâdîth, whether they be mutawâtir in words or in meaning, are as authentic as the Holy Qur’ân, and there is no difference between the two in as far as the reliability of their source of narration is concerned.

Although the ahâdîth falling under the first category of the mutawâtir, ie. the mutawâtir in words, are very few in number, yet the ahâdîth relating to the second kind, namely the mutawâtir in meaning, are available in large numbers. Thus, a very sizeable portion of the sunnah of the Holy Prophet ([SUB]

[/SUB]) falls in this kind of mutawâtir, the authenticity of which cannot be doubted in any manner.

http://ccm-inc.org/oldsite/iqra/articles/authsun/chap3.html

The proof for Hadhrat Aishah Radhiyallāhu Anhā’s age during marriage is in Sahīh al-Bukhārī and Sahīh Muslim. Consider the following Ahādīth:

حدثنا محمد بن يوسف، حدثنا سفيان، عن هشام، عن أبيه، عن عائشة رضي الله عنها:أن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم تزوجها وهي بنت ست سنين، وأدخلت عليه وهي بنت تسع، ومكثت عنده تسعا (صحيح البخاري, ج 10، ص 466-467، دار البشائر الاسلامية)​

Aishah Radhiyallāhu Anhā reports that Nabī Sallallāhu Alaihi Wa Sallam married her while she was six years old. She was sent to stay with Nabī Sallallāhu Alaihi Wa Sallam when she was nine and she lived with Nabī Sallalllāhu Alaihi Wa Sallam for nine years.

(Sahīh al-Bukhārī) وحدثنا يحيى بن يحيى، أخبرنا أبو معاوية، عن هشام بن عروة، ح وحدثنا ابن نمير، واللفظ له، حدثنا عبدة هو ابن سليمان، عن هشام، عن أبيه، عن عائشة، قالت: «تزوجني النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم وأنا بنت ست سنين، وبنى بي وأنا بنت تسع سنين (صحيح مسلم، ج 2، ص 1039، دار إحياء التراث العربي – بيروت)​

Aishah Radhiyallāhu Anhā says, “Rasūlullāh Sallallāhu Alaihi Wa Sallam married me when I was six years old, and he started living with me when I was nine years old.

(Sahīh Muslim)​

The Ummah has accepted the narrations that appear in Sahīh al-Bukhāri and Sahīh Muslim as authentic. Allāmah Hāfidh bin Hajar al-Asqalāni Rahimahullāh states in “Sharh al-Nukhbah” that the Ulamā are unanimous in accepting Sahīh al-Bukhārī and Sahīh Muslim. <!--[if !supportFootnotes]-->[1]<!--[endif]--> Allāmah Sakhāwī states in “Fath al-Mughīth” that Sahīh al-Bukhārī and Sahīh Muslim are the most authentic books of Hadīth. <!--[if !supportFootnotes]-->[2]<!--[endif]-->


http://islamqa.org/hanafi/askimam/6245

 

[Scimitar]

You're just repeating scholarly babble - the very same I have debunked may times over now.

And you've failed to take on the premise here:

Aisha's age was garbled by Hisham ibn Urwa, who was a narrator of hadeeth, however in tehzibul tehzib - a book which comment on the reliability of narrators, it mentions that any hadeeth narrated by Hisham ibn Urwa while he was in Iraq is doubtful because he had reached old age and was known to suffer from amnesia, and senile. Thus it was also reported that any of his five students who reported from him in Iraq were also to be excluded from the hasan grading.

Further, we find that in the actual ahadeeth regarding her age, we find a numerical error in the fact that the 1 was very much faded and the 9 visible, leading us to think that she was nine at the age of consummation. She was 19 and God knows best.

The video I made perfectly explained things. Shame I closed the channel down.

I ask you, would you let me marry your six year old daughter and sleep with her at nine? I'm forty one this august.

Got you cornered.

Bring me your methodology, not your parroting of scholars, boring.

Scimi

EDIT:

Would the Prophet pbuh contradict that which is in the Qur'an?

"Test the orphans till they reach the marriageable age; then, if ye find them of sound judgment, deliver over unto them their fortune. And devour it not by squandering and in haste lest they should grow up Whoso (of the guardians) is rich, let him abstain generously (from taking of the property of orphans); and whoso is poor let him take thereof in reason (for his guardianship). And when ye deliver up their fortune unto orphans, have (the transaction) witnessed in their presence…" (4:6)

I'm guessing this ayah of the Qur'an goes over your head.

The Qur'an explicitly makes it clear that the age of reason comes after the age of puberty, and only if one has reached the age of reason are they able to marry.

Aisha was no child when she consummated her marriage to Muhammad pbuh, and she even participated in the battle of Uhud, where no minor under the age was allowed to participate (except one, the younger brother of a sahabi)

On this basis it is clear that Aisha was over the age of 15 when she attended the battle of Uhud.

Further, we find that in no historical record did the enemies of Islam ever claim that Muhammad pbuh married a minor - these claims of marrying a minor have a history in corruption which you remain unaware of.

Please do not show me your ignorance - i'm tired of reading ignorant muslims.

Scimi

 

[M.I.A.]

What is God's will?

When two stupid people collide.. God decides between them?

Not in the face.. not in the face!

What's a face?

It's the thing your knows lives on.

 

[Scimitar]

What is God's will?

When two stupid people collide.. God decides between them?

Not in the face.. not in the face!

What's a face?

It's the thing your knows lives on.

Lay off the drugs bro

Scimi

 

[greenhill]

The truth is that the message from Allah, The One, The Eternal, came from Adam (pbuh) and all the successive prophets (25 mentioned in the Quran). 4 Books came to rasools or nessengers. The Psalms, the Torah, the Bible and the Quran.

Abraham pbuh prayed to Allah to have his descendants being the ones to guide men to salvation, to the road of Allah, and for muslims it would be the 5th line of the opening verse. "Lead us to the right path". But in between, he sent many prophets to remind the descendants of Ibrahim pbuh, the messages. Likewise for Moses, David, Jesus and Muhammad pbta. all had incremental nessage to deliver. But the Jews rejected Jesus, hence the split. A singular religion became 2 separate faiths. Apart from correcting their errs, Jesus also granted some reprieve. But mostly what did it was the forbidding of interest that tipped the balance for the clerics. Jesus had to be silenced. Likewise the final messenger, Muhammad pbuh, he had to flee Makkah.

But if we were to look at the Books and look for the essence you will find that Psalms are about praises, prayers, etc and Torah taught mechanics of human interaction etc, Bible forgiveness (turn the other cheek) and with the Quran laid the law for living in a comnunity.

Instead of developing the system for the world based on charity 'amanah' fair and honest, benefitting society, the system brought to us by those who have caused Jesus to be ostracised and Islam to be misunderstood, is a system based on riba' and polarized education system, genetical engineering for foods, medicine etc to make us all totally dependent on the system.

You see, the anti Christ is actually Dajjal. The wotld is fast becoming Dajjal world. It is not Christ that he is anti. It is believers.

And when it all finally falls in place for him, the wotld will be a pretty hostile place for a believer.

(A bit off the topic but I reckon mostly covered already by others so I thought I'd expand a bit) ;D

eace:

 

[AbdurRahman.]

You're just repeating scholarly babble - the very same I have debunked may times over now.

And you've failed to take on the premise here:



I ask you, would you let me marry your six year old daughter and sleep with her at nine?

Got you cornered.

Bring me your methodology, not your parroting of scholars, boring.

Scimi

well I did say such marriages will only be allowed if the culture is right ... and no it is not now so that would be a no!

but those 'parroting scholars' give all the evidences brother; if I give you them i'll just have to parrot them so why not just go in there and read it ...

that first one particularly refutes the idea that she was 19 at time of marriage

 

[Scimitar]

Bro, listen to me.

just because you remain ignorant of my debunking these claims, doesn't mean I have to now engage in convincing you - especially when i have posed you questions which you are ignoring out of your inability to reason these out given Qur'an and Sunnah.

All you can do is repeat the same tired dribble the scholars have, and they've not entertained my emails as yet.

While I find you here, repeating the same as they did. And not to my satisfaction, you havent appealed to my intellect, nor any methodology, let alone tackle the questions poised to you in my last post.

So please - think before your ego embarrasses you further.

God bless.

Scimi

EDIT: culture of modern day? the Qur'an is timeless... let me marry your 6 year old daughter or niece, come on - i'm unmarried.

You have nothing but prejudice inflaming your ego my friend.

Scimi

 

[M.I.A.]

Lay off the drugs bro

Scimi

No but seriously.. it's been at least a decade since I did anything wrong..

I still got dealers in my system lol.

Anyway, ops post is all hearsay.. he won't find anything in the book that is not still around in some forms or other.

Supremacist Islam.. those are some wise life choices.

 

[Scimitar]

LOL that was funny, you never cease to make me laugh

 

[Regrets1]

As far as I know Aisha (RA) was 6 when she got married but marriage was consummated at the age of 9 (she wasn't considered a minor) the culture and society allowed it..it's not acceptable now in our time but it was ok back then..

Hope the link below helps (Prophet Muhammad's (pbuh) marriage to Aisha (ra)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEL_fAKFZQk

 

[AbdurRahman.]

You're just repeating scholarly babble - the very same I have debunked may times over now.

And you've failed to take on the premise here:



I ask you, would you let me marry your six year old daughter and sleep with her at nine? I'm forty one this august.

Got you cornered.

Bring me your methodology, not your parroting of scholars, boring.

Scimi

EDIT:

Would the Prophet pbuh contradict that which is in the Qur'an?

"Test the orphans till they reach the marriageable age; then, if ye find them of sound judgment, deliver over unto them their fortune. And devour it not by squandering and in haste lest they should grow up Whoso (of the guardians) is rich, let him abstain generously (from taking of the property of orphans); and whoso is poor let him take thereof in reason (for his guardianship). And when ye deliver up their fortune unto orphans, have (the transaction) witnessed in their presence…" (4:6)

I'm guessing this ayah of the Qur'an goes over your head.

The Qur'an explicitly makes it clear that the age of reason comes after the age of puberty, and only if one has reached the age of reason are they able to marry.

Aisha was no child when she consummated her marriage to Muhammad pbuh, and she even participated in the battle of Uhud, where no minor under the age was allowed to participate (except one, the younger brother of a sahabi)

On this basis it is clear that Aisha was over the age of 15 when she attended the battle of Uhud.

Further, we find that in no historical record did the enemies of Islam ever claim that Muhammad pbuh married a minor - these claims of marrying a minor have a history in corruption which you remain unaware of.

Please do not show me your ignorance - i'm tired of reading ignorant muslims.

Scimi

you could disagree all you want brother but i'm just giving the definitive sunni view on this

as we saw there are no less than 3 concrete proofs that she was 9 at time of consummation

1, Ayesha [ra] herself saying so in no less than 11 transmitted hadiths making the narrated concept infallible.
2. there is a consensus of sunni Scholars that she was 9 at time of consummation.
3. it says she was 6 at time of marriage and 9 at consummation in bukhari and muslim collections of hadiths too and there is a consensus of the Scholars that every single hadiths in them two are all authentic [except a few that have been put in there as part of a discourse]

there are hadiths that say consensus' can never be wrong, i.e, there is a divine protection over them:

Imam Hakim (1/116) has related a Sahih Hadith from the Prophet (Peace be upon him) in the following words: "My Ummah shall not agree upon error."
(17) Imam al-Tirmidhi (4/2167) reported on the authority of Ibn Umar (Allah be pleased with him) from the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace), who said: "Verily my Ummah would not agree (or he said the Ummah of Muhammad) would not agree upon error and Allah's hand is over the group and whoever dissents from them departs to Hell." (see also Mishkat, 1/173)


so from a sunni point of view ,the matter is very clear and decisive

 

[AbdurRahman.]

Bro, listen to me.

just because you remain ignorant of my debunking these claims, doesn't mean I have to now engage in convincing you - especially when i have posed you questions which you are ignoring out of your inability to reason these out given Qur'an and Sunnah.

All you can do is repeat the same tired dribble the scholars have, and they've not entertained my emails as yet.

While I find you here, repeating the same as they did. And not to my satisfaction, you havent appealed to my intellect, nor any methodology, let alone tackle the questions poised to you in my last post.

So please - think before your ego embarrasses you further.

God bless.

Scimi

EDIT: culture of modern day? the Qur'an is timeless... let me marry your 6 year old daughter or niece, come on - i'm unmarried.

You have nothing but prejudice inflaming your ego my friend.

Scimi

brother I don't have to engage in convincing you either ; just giving you the sunni view that's all

no offense if you're not brother but I think you maybe a shia, for you say [saw] after Ali's [ra] name?

 

[Scimitar]

Haaaaa. exhales deeply.

I'm not Shia, I do not identify with sects. Was hadrat Ali a shia? NO. So please bro, don't talk from ignorance. His khwarij followers identified themselves as shia... not Hadrat Ali RA.

You should learn Islamic history.

I am of those who follow the example of the Prophet pbuh and who gather in masajid.

Your previous post to this one does little to satisfy my interest. Sorry bro but I've already made those walls fall a long time ago.

Scimi

 

[AbdurRahman.]

Haaaaa. exhales deeply.

I'm not Shia, I do not identify with sects. Was hadrat Ali a shia? NO. So please bro, don't talk from ignorance. His khwarij followers identified themselves as shia... not Hadrat Ali RA.

You should learn Islamic history.

I am of those who follow the example of the Prophet pbuh and who gather in masajid.

Your previous post to this one does little to satisfy my interest. Sorry bro but I've already made those walls fall a long time ago.

Scimi

you follow example of prophet [saw]??? ^o) but you do not accept consensus although he said consensus' are infallible! :Emoji46: :Emoji46:

 

[Huzaifah ibn Adam]

1) When Rasoolullaah Sallallaahu `Alayhi wa Sallam married Hadhrat `Aa'ishah Radhiyallaahu `Anhaa, she still used to play with dolls (as is narrated in Sunan Abi Daawud and others from the books of Hadeeth.) An 18-19 year old woman doesn't play with dolls.

2) To answer the objection posed: If I had a nine year old daughter, and a proposal came from a Muttaqi (Pious man) who is like the Sahaabah, I would accept. No one is obliged to give their daughter to simply any old man who proposes. Rasoolullaah Sallallaahu `Alayhi wa Sallam was the greatest of Allaah Ta`aalaa's Makhlooqaat (Creation), and so was Hadhrat `Umar Radhiyallaahu `Anhu, who also married a woman who was very much younger than him. A person may refuse a proposal which comes from a random old man who mushrooms up from nowhere, but they would accept the proposal which comes from a Wali of Allaah Ta`aalaa. Hence, the objection that "would you allow an old man to marry your daughter?" is fallacious. The actions of people and what they would or would not accept does not affect the Deen.

The Deen of Allaah Ta`aalaa is unchangeable; neither governments nor people can alter it. Likes and dislikes with regards to it is inconsequential. Our duty is to submit to the Sharee`ah. That is the meaning of Islaam. "Islaam" comes from "Aslama, Yuslimu", which means "to submit". A Muslim is one who submits wholeheartedly to the Deen of Islaam and to every facet of the Sharee`ah, whether he understands it or not.

والله تعالى أعلم

The following two articles may be read on the subject:

https://islamqa.info/en/124483

https://islamqa.info/en/122534

3) The Khawaarij and Shee`ah are two separate groups. The Shee`ah claimed to love Hadhrat `Ali Radhiyallaahu `Anhu and went overboard in that regard, raising him to the pedestal of divinity, and thus they became Kuffaar. The Khawaarij on the other hand, despised him and made Takfeer of him (excommunicated him from Islaam), and one of their members, "`Abdur Rahmaan ibn Muljim", eventually killed him, regarding it to be a good deed, wal `Iyaadhu Billaah.

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[Huzaifah ibn Adam]

The sixth Aayah of Soorah an-Nisaa has been cited, wherein it is mentioned "until they reach marriageable age." The `Ulamaa of Tafseer (Imaam ibn Katheer, narrating from Imaam Mujaahid Rahmatullaahi `Alayhi and others) define "marriageable age" as "puberty". Hence, once the person has reached puberty, he/she has reached marriageable age.

In Arabia and many other places in the world, girls reach Buloogh (puberty) at a relatively younger age than other places.