What it means to be British

[IbnAbdulHakim]

The police went to arrest a man wanted in connection with Islamist terrorism. He could have had a gun. A bomb. A suicide belt. He could have had nerve gas or other chemical weapons. He could, even, have had nuclear material. And no doubt he would have used them had he been prepared for such an event. What do you think they should have done - sent him a postcard and asked him to come down to the police station as soon as it was convenient?

How did they know he was unarmed?

eace:
Ye most criminals like to sleep wiv a suicide jacket on and a gun wrapped neatly around his fingers wiv his wife in da same bed, its quite comfy u kno.... no i dont expect a post card i expect then to just go up2 him and hand-cuff him and treat him as they would treat any suspect, INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY, this definitly wasnt used, no they treated him like his guilty of the worst crime.
eace:
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[IbnAbdulHakim]

Well a Mu'min would not have to. Non-Muslims so very rarely blow themselves up. But just how would you tackle a man suspected of being a probable suicide bomber?

eace:
i sed mu'min not muslim, realise the wording. Like i sed like you would tackle any suspect, you hand-cuff him, search him, and take him into custody.
eace:
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[Ghazi]

Well a Mu'min would not have to. Non-Muslims so very rarely blow themselves up. But just how would you tackle a man suspected of being a probable suicide bomber?

Salaam

This is one of the reasons I dislike britians goverment, they'll accuse anyone of terrorism and when they realise they're wrong they come up with some lame excuses, tell me was that guy they killed a suicide bomber were the three brothers who were held in guantanmo suicide bombers and I seriously doubt Babar is one too, were just being victimized because of our religion funny how the US and Britian have forgoten about every other non-muslim terrorist groups.

 

[glo]

eace:

I understand what your saying the police hav to do there duty of acting like disgusting disrespectful pigs sometimes, ganging up on a single man whos unarmed and unaware and treatin him worse then they would treat there own dogs. Its there duty, right?

eace:
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I'm not saying that the police always act in the best way.
I'm also not saying that the account if not true.

What I am saying is that if he was suspected to be a terrorist and possibly have weapons and/or explosives, the police are not going to knock on his door and politely ask to have a word with him! They have to use the element of surprise and act swiftly.

Like I said, it is a terrifying thing to happen to anybody, and my thoughts and prayers are with this family - regardless of whether Mr Ahmed is innocent or not.

Peace.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

I'm not saying that the police always act in the best way.
I'm also not saying that the account if not true.

What I am saying is that if he was suspected to be a terrorist and possibly have weapons and/or explosives, the police are not going to knock on his door and politely ask to have a word with him! They have to use the element of surprise and act swiftly.

Like I said, it is a terrifying thing to happen to anybody, and my thoughts and prayers are with this family - regardless of whether Mr Ahmed is innocent or not.

Peace.

eace:
well i gess it cant b helped wen u live in such a time n place, im sry if i seemed a bit hot headed, plz forgive
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[IbnAbdulHakim]

Salaam

This is one of the reasons I dislike britians goverment, they'll accuse anyone of terrorism and when they realise they're wrong they come up with some lame excuses, tell me was that guy they kill a suicide bomber were the three brothers who were held in guantanmo suicide bombers and I seriously doubt Babar is one too, were just being victimized because of our religion funny how the US and Britian have forgoten about every other non-muslim terrorist groups.

bro isnt it obvious, muslims are becoming more n more disgusting to the eyes of the disbelievers, pretty soon we'll b victimised much more then this and this time theres no just and super pious people to keep us on the right trak, a lot of muslims will prob quit (astagfirullah i hope not), i dont see times gettin betta, its jus depressing

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[Ghazi]

bro isnt it obvious, muslims are becoming more n more disgusting to the eyes of the disbelievers, pretty soon we'll b victimised much more then this and this time theres no just and super pious people to keep us on the right trak, a lot of muslims will prob quit (astagfirullah i hope not), i dont see times gettin betta, its jus depressing

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Salaam
The hadiyh below says it all

The nations of the earth will gather against the Muslims like hungry people going to sit down to a table full of food. This will occur when the Muslims are large in number, but "like the foam of the sea".

 

[scentsofjannah]

Amazing how glo and hei kou ask us if he's innocent. This just goes to show us their ignorance about this whole matter. First off EVERYONE is innocent until proven guilty..never heard of that before?! Secondly are u saying the police found him guilty? or is it for a court of justice to decide that?? lastly he's only a suspect!! DON'T equate that term with GUILT! have a good day!.. .

 

[scentsofjannah]

oh yeah read about Clive Stafford Smith and the great work he's doing!

 

[Sister_6038]

Amazing how glo and hei kou ask us if he's innocent. This just goes to show us their ignorance about this whole matter. First off EVERYONE is innocent until proven guilty..never heard of that before?! Secondly are u saying the police found him guilty? or is it for a court of justice to decide that?? lastly he's only a suspect!! DON'T equate that term with GUILT! have a good day!.. .

yehh innocent until proven guilty not the other way around!!

 

[HeiGou]

Ye most criminals like to sleep wiv a suicide jacket on and a gun wrapped neatly around his fingers wiv his wife in da same bed, its quite comfy u kno.... no i dont expect a post card i expect then to just go up2 him and hand-cuff him and treat him as they would treat any suspect, INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY, this definitly wasnt used, no they treated him like his guilty of the worst crime.

Criminals rarely blow themselves up. Terrorists do. I said if he was prepared for such an event. How did the police know he would not be? How did they know he did not see them coming? They can't just go up to a man who may be armed and dangerous, and perhaps carrying a suicide bomb belt, and handcuff him. They have to surprise him, get him on the ground, immobilise him, and then handcuff him. Which, as far as I can see, is just what they did. He is not like any old suspect because he is suspected of terrorist offenses. How do you arrest a man who may be wearing a suicide belt and may be willing to take a few policemen with him? They did not know if he would or could or not, did they? Courts treat suspects as innocent until proven guilty. Police do not. They arrest people after all. They have to do so in a way that guarantees their safety and that of others.

 

[HeiGou]

This is one of the reasons I dislike britians goverment, they'll accuse anyone of terrorism and when they realise they're wrong they come up with some lame excuses, tell me was that guy they killed a suicide bomber were the three brothers who were held in guantanmo suicide bombers and I seriously doubt Babar is one too, were just being victimized because of our religion funny how the US and Britian have forgoten about every other non-muslim terrorist groups.

What other non-Muslim terrorist groups are active in the West today? The IRA has stopped, ETA has stopped, the Red Brigades are quiet, November 17 has been arrested.

The British government has never accused Mr Ahmad of terrorism. At least not since his first arrest. He is being held on US charges. The three brothers - I assume you mean the Tipton three - never went to Cuba. They were held here and they were never held for being suicide bombers.

 

[Ghazi]

Criminals rarely blow themselves up. Terrorists do. I said if he was prepared for such an event. How did the police know he would not be? How did they know he did not see them coming? They can't just go up to a man who may be armed and dangerous, and perhaps carrying a suicide bomb belt, and handcuff him. They have to surprise him, get him on the ground, immobilise him, and then handcuff him. Which, as far as I can see, is just what they did. He is not like any old suspect because he is suspected of terrorist offenses. How do you arrest a man who may be wearing a suicide belt and may be willing to take a few policemen with him? They did not know if he would or could or not, did they? Courts treat suspects as innocent until proven guilty. Police do not. They arrest people after all. They have to do so in a way that guarantees their safety and that of others.

Salaam

Does that inculdetouching of certain body parts which are below the belt ffended:

 

[Salaam]

Salam,

Nice Thread

 

[HeiGou]

Amazing how glo and hei kou ask us if he's innocent. This just goes to show us their ignorance about this whole matter. First off EVERYONE is innocent until proven guilty..never heard of that before?! Secondly are u saying the police found him guilty? or is it for a court of justice to decide that?? lastly he's only a suspect!! DON'T equate that term with GUILT! have a good day!

My ignorance? Everyone is deemed by a court of law to be innocent until proven guilty for most offenses, but not all. However it does not matter as we are not in a court of law. And they are not innocent, they are deemed to be innocent. A small difference. I have not said the police found him guilty of anything. He is a suspect, but a terrorism suspect. The police, when they went to arrest him, had to assume the worst and take due precautions. What is wrong with that?

 

[HeiGou]

Does that inculdetouching of certain body parts which are below the belt

Well we only have Mr Ahmad's word for that and I am not convinced by many of his words. But let's assume it happened. It could have been an accident. It could have been a mistake. It could have been part of a search for weapons. If the police have to look for a detonator or a gun are you suggesting they may not search below the belt?

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Criminals rarely blow themselves up. Terrorists do. I said if he was prepared for such an event. How did the police know he would not be? How did they know he did not see them coming? They can't just go up to a man who may be armed and dangerous, and perhaps carrying a suicide bomb belt, and handcuff him. They have to surprise him, get him on the ground, immobilise him, and then handcuff him. Which, as far as I can see, is just what they did. He is not like any old suspect because he is suspected of terrorist offenses. How do you arrest a man who may be wearing a suicide belt and may be willing to take a few policemen with him? They did not know if he would or could or not, did they? Courts treat suspects as innocent until proven guilty. Police do not. They arrest people after all. They have to do so in a way that guarantees their safety and that of others.

eace:

I dont even kno anymore man, Allahu allam, we are told to put up wiv oppressors and hav sabr neway and i pray all my muslims are given such strength inshaAllah!

eace:​

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Well we only have Mr Ahmad's word for that and I am not convinced by many of his words. But let's assume it happened. It could have been an accident. It could have been a mistake. It could have been part of a search for weapons. If the police have to look for a detonator or a gun are you suggesting they may not search below the belt?

It also could have been an act so vile that mr.Ahmed didnt feel comfy releasing the full details of!
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[Ghazi]

Hey heigou it's funny how you list some articles with muslims doing bad and believe them, then when it's the other way round you doubt them.

 

[x Maz x]

What is wrong you ask? suspected terror suspect my left foot...pshhh...yano Barbar once said in a statment something along the lines of 'If he << Bush/Blair can lie to the world about Iraq then why cant he lie about me' :'(...You know all the Gitmo prisinors that were released, well if they were so dangerous why were they released??...and all that torment they went through, will leave them mentally scarred for life << no exaggeration made...seirously its sickening and if this brother ends in that **** hole me going to cry Allah help him and save him from the torment of this world and the hereafter Allahu Alim WalaykumAsalaam x