What kind of attitude of this? -Bashing Islam is a dangerous sign

[Uthman]

Please stick to the topic, folks.

 

[Pygoscelis]

To be honest those of us who are theist have difficulty in comprehending the concept of no religion. At least I do. I know you will probably disagree with me and I do not speak for all theists, Just for myself. I see disbelief to be a religion, not an organized religion, but still a religion. I do see what I perceive to be an atheist dogma which is: "God does not exist" Like many dogmas that is an unchallengeable belief that requires no further explanation to the adherent. Just my opinion and personal view..

I suppose that depends on how you define "religion". It is an answer to the question of religion. But it is not a belief system (its just one belief) and doesn't have dogma or ritual or holy books or prophets etc.

Lumping atheists together as a group doesn't really compute. Its like lumping people who don't believe in astrology together as a group. Its why "atheist groups" that people try to start rarely get off the ground and never go very far. Atheists only see themselves as atheists when there are religious people around and the topic is religion. In contrast, muslims always see themselves as muslims and have a whole system to live their lives by to adhere to due to being muslim.

And to come back on topic, as I said above, there is no atheist dogma or prophet or book so atheism itself can't lead to billboards like the one above. Some individual atheists may be nasty people, but it can't be said to come from their atheism.

Atheism doesn't tell you not to associate or be "yoked" with non-atheists. Christianity and I believe Islam do. Atheism doesn't tell you that non-atheists deserve eternal hellfire. Both Christianity and Islam do. Atheism doesn't tell you that certain groups of people, such as homosexuals, are deviants, etc. Should a given atheist believe any of that, its for completely different reasons.

 

[Woodrow]

I hope you agree we are both stating our personal opinions and neither of us speaks for all people of our own beliefs/disbeliefs.

I suppose that depends on how you define "religion". It is an answer to the question of religion. But it is not a belief system (its just one belief) and doesn't have dogma or ritual or holy books or prophets etc.

Yes, we do seem to define religion differently.

Lumping atheists together as a group doesn't really compute. Its like lumping people who don't believe in astrology together as a group. Its why "atheist groups" that people try to start rarely get off the ground and never go very far. Atheists only see themselves as atheists when there are religious people around and the topic is religion. In contrast, muslims always see themselves as muslims and have a whole system to live their lives by to adhere to due to being muslim.

Here we will have difficulty in understanding each other. Admittedly I do see all atheists as being part of the same "group" But, hopefully I also see the individuals within the group as having differences from others in the same group.

And to come back on topic, as I said above, there is no atheist dogma or prophet or book so atheism itself can't lead to billboards like the one above. Some individual atheists may be nasty people, but it can't be said to come from their atheism.

Here I disagree. I will concede that being an atheist does not dictate that a person will be a nasty person and will even admit I know atheists who are very nice people. However, I see atheism as an incentive to embrace hedonism, even though not all atheists do.

Atheism doesn't tell you not to associate or be "yoked" with non-atheists. Christianity and I believe Islam do. Atheism doesn't tell you that non-atheists deserve eternal hellfire. Both Christianity and Islam do. Atheism doesn't tell you that certain groups of people, such as homosexuals, are deviants, etc. Should a given atheist believe any of that, its for completely different reasons.

In a simplistic view Islam tells us all people deserve hell fire, not just Atheists. But, it gives us a path to avoid what we truly deserve. Call it fire prevention tools.While the tools are freely available, a person has to use them to do any good.

While there is no written doctrine that tells atheists not to associate with non-Atheists, People do tend to develop stronger association with those who have similar beliefs.

 

[Karl]

Karl, do you know who Richard Dawkins is? I know as a Christian I shouldn't hate anybody, but let's just say I strongly dislike the man's views on religion.

I had a brief look at Dawkins profile, he is a false scientist. Darwin is a real scientist because he wrote The THEORY of evolution. Darwin never said it was a fact. Dawkins has belief in evolution, that is not scientifically valid. As a scientist you have to stick to FACTS not beliefs, evolution cannot be proven as there are no scientifically credible witnesses throughout the eons of time. There is no room for conjecture in science. Therefore I think Dawkins is a politically motivated stirrer.

Back to the thread... Bashing Islam is bashing Muslims is bashing people and people can bash back! :raging:

 

[Pygoscelis]

Dawkins is too beligerant even for me. I would recomment Daniel Dennett instead. Where Dawkins is argumentative Dennett is more informative.