what languages does everybody speak??

[north_malaysian]

Salam3alaikum warahmatullah..

This thread is nice...I speak Malay with Kedah dialect as my first language...beside that I speak a mixture dialect which is called Samsam, it is actually a dialect of Southern Thai together with Malay. My second language is English of course like everyone else in the world. My third language is Arabic I learned it in religious school, I can write in Fushaa Arabic and understand it but I cannot understand Jami3a Arabic. While miscellanious language that I grab is conversational Chinese Mandarin, I just learn it for Da3wa purpose. Other is Urdu, I sometimes understand it because my father love to watch Hindi movie which is always broadcasted in our television channel every saturday but I can hardly speak it. I hope to learn Urdu and to polish my Arabic because I want to study Quran deeply. Fi Amanillah.

"Samsam" - what's that? I never heard of it....

 

[malayloveislam]

Ohhh...this term is used for malay who speak Thai at home....actually I do not like this term...better use Malay with Thai mother tongue as Malay reflects Islam and Samsam is with bad connotation : }

 

[north_malaysian]

Ohhh...this term is used for malay who speak Thai at home....actually I do not like this term...better use Malay with Thai mother tongue as Malay reflects Islam and Samsam is with bad connotation : }

I have Thai ancestry from my mother side... but I dont speak Thai...:exhausted

So I'm a "Thai with Malay mother tongue"?

 

[malayloveislam]

I have Thai ancestry from my mother side... but I dont speak Thai...:exhausted

So I'm a "Thai with Malay mother tongue"?

Salamu3alaikum warahmatullah,

I'm not really sure about that, since you speak Malay you can still identify yourself as a Malay or maybe you can learn Thai, it is easy and you can explore your mother's culture. Good for da3wa purpose :statisfie Muslim who speak Thai at home in north Malaysia also identify themselves as Malay. Thai is spoken in several northern Kedah's districts such as in Kubang Pasu, Pendang, and in Perlis. We call it as "pood ban" or "speak village or house". Thai in Kedah is different from one in Bangkok as it is mixed with Malay and some term is Islamic such as Naksah for Musolla, Jahama for Muqaddam (the simple surah's of Quran), and Melelei for Madrasah.

Too bad not many younger generation speak Thai today maybe because of National education system. I think it is good for younger generation to speak Malay and respecting other Malay speakers by speaking standard and understandable language but in the negative side is that they are ashame with their ancestry

Actually native ethnicity in Kedah is a bit confusing and special the same as those in Kelantan since its long history which began at 1st century AD. The different is Kedah people never try to differentiate themselves from others like Kelantan people. Langkasuka kingdom was first being build in Kedah before it was moved to Patani in Southern Thailand today. People of Langkasuka ethnicity are still exist today in Malayan Peninsula particularly in Kedah and Southern Thailand though they identify themselves as Thai or Malay and they are mixed with people around the world so it is very hard to identify themselves except by checking the history line of the ancient kingdom. They are actually sharing the same ancestry with the Khmer and Mon people of Cambodia and Myanmar, while for Thai ethnic they are from southern China. They absorbed many locals vocabulary which is ancient Khmer as ancient Khmer is rich in civilization. They also modify Khmer script and adopt it as Thai script. This happens in 12th century AD during Sukhothai dynasty in Thailand.

The term Malay is not only for a particular race, it is synonimous with Islam in South East Asia mainland as Malay language is used as a medium of preaching Islam to the natives, it is used widely in several native kingdom's as the language of administration hew As for Indonesian, Malay is a tribe in Palembang, Riau, and South Sumatera.

Love to brothers and sisters in faith

 

[north_malaysian]

Before Parameswara came to Temasik (old name for Singapore), the Thai ruled from Chiang Rai down to Singapore.

Which means the "Malays" living in Peninsular Malaysia were ethnically Thais... they're Malayanized by Parameswara.

I am a Penangite as I have lots of ancestries... I dont want to be known as a Malay.

 

[malayloveislam]

Before Parameswara came to Temasik (old name for Singapore), the Thai ruled from Chiang Rai down to Singapore.

Which means the "Malays" living in Peninsular Malaysia were ethnically Thais... they're Malayanized by Parameswara.

I am a Penangite as I have lots of ancestries... I dont want to be known as a Malay.

Hmmm...you hit the point correct brother north_malaysian...actually I also do not want to be known as Malay, I am comfortable to be recognized as Kedahan or Muslim... Malay is only a term in the paper... some of my friend from Jitra and Pendang who is Muslim are trying to go back to their ancestry which is Thai speaking heritage, they also claim that they are Siamese, Siam or Sayam is the old name for the empire that once ruled Chiang Rai to Temasek or Singapore in 13th century-16th century...The empire name is used to indicate various ethnicity in the empire... Even the dynasties in Siam changed throughout centuries, but the empire name and its citizens still remained the same and using the empire name as their identity... Most people in Kedah's northern districts,be they Muslim or Buddhist are still familiar with this term... Even Muslim use this term to identify themselves, but different things happens in Patani and Kelantan... Siam is only used for Buddhists.

That is recorded in Malay History and the writer of that chronicle is a Johorian, the kingdom is the heritage of Malacca which was build by Parameswara... I learned from my friends who live in Thailand part that the dynasty which ruled Malayan Peninsula at that time is Sri Ayuttaya... I encourage my friends who speak Thai at home to use Thai instead of Malay when talking among ourselves and not to be ashame with our heritage we still have to switch back to Malay as to respect others who speak Malay or in the case we will be misunderstood by Kelantanese as non-Islamic or Buddhist :-[

 

[north_malaysian]

Years ago I met a Muslim Thai on the net, he was surprised to know that I have Thai ancestry but not knowing a word in Thai. He said that all Thais regardless whether they're Muslims or Buddhists, Malaysian citizens or Thai citizens... all of them must know the Thai language. He was kind of furious too..:exhausted

Imagine, if millions of northern Malays decided to revert to their actual ethnic group, which is Thai... it would be controversial to the Malay nationalists..... as suddenly millions of people ceased to be Malays...:?

 

[arabianprincess]

salam wa 3lykom


arabic( fesha.. , slang... probably most slangs there is in the middle east.. ) interestin.. by only watchin tv series < n friends

english

lil french n spanish ... hopefulllly one day i can get to learn emmmmmmmmmmmm ....n urdu

 

[malayloveislam]

Salamu3alaikum warahmatullah,

It is a positive imagination beside its controversial, as many people from Indonesia are confused that all the natives here are originated from Indonesian ancestry while it is not 100% true.

We already use the term Siamese for ourselves when people asked about our ethnicity since they are confused by the language spoken while we are Muslim and wearing the Malay's attire. Samsam is used as the identity of Kedah people from Langkasuka origin and speak southern Thai dialect at home instead of Malay while most of them are Muslim. Langkasuka is an ancient kingdom which covers modern southern Thai and northern Malaysia in the present day.

But this Samsam term is a kind of insult, since Samsam people is claimed as unloyal to Islam and they are said as bandit before 60s although only a small portion of them were bad. Today many of these people's descendents choosing to speak Malay at home and train their children to speak Malay to avoid from being misunderstood. So most of the children are not fluent in Thai or further bad they do not know to speak or understand it anymore. I experienced this when talking with my friends from Kubang Pasu and Pendang districts. Thai is only spoken by the rare generations above 30 years old - 90 years old, only some young generations speak Thai in hide. I remember that old folks in my village cannot speak a word of Malay, they will reply in Thai even when we speak Malay with them. Too bad, most of them had passed away.

The northern Malays ancestry can be traced back from the 1st century AD, our ancient kingdom is Langkasuka and Kedah Tua. This highly civilized kingdom is an ancient Khmer kingdom before it was defeated by Sriwijayan Malays from Sumatera in 7th century AD. These Khmer people is anthropologically under the proto-Malayic group or the native aborigine the same group with Champa people while Sumateran Malays are under Deutro-Malayic sub-group. In 12th century AD Thai people came from southern China and slowly assimilizing these Khmer people in the south, they also absorbed ancient Khmer vocabulary and script into their language. Sheikh Daud Al-Fathani who is the scribe of Patani's Sultan said that Langkasuka's people did not speak Malay, Malay is only accepted after the Sriwijayan Malay subduing the kingdom. Please check this interesting chronicle of the Islamization of northern Malays in Hikayat Patani. It is transliterated from Arabic script Malay by Allahyarham Ustaz Wan Saghir. Northern Malays history is colorful but it is yet unrevealed properly.


For me, Malay is merely a language in South East Asia Mainland, it does not indicate any race here like the one in America which is English, it is just a language to unify the people from north Malaysia and the southern with Indonesian origin. Most people are not aware about their ancestry of Thai origin especially the Muslim in northern Malaysia.

I think it is good for northern Malays to learn Thai if it is not their first language. At least learn the basic one which is southern Thai dialect of Kedah. The tune of Kedah's Thai is almost the same as the Kedah's Malay tune. You will be surprised with the common things that can be found in Kedah's Malay and Kedah's Thai and some of them are different from Thai counterpart in Thailand. Believe me it will be awfully interesting : )

Love to brothers and sisters in faith

 

[north_malaysian]

Maybe you should open a thread called " Thai for Beginners"...

 

[M.B]

i can speak swedish=f english=f somali=f arabic=abitf german=abitf

 

[Roojy]

i speak pushto

 

[Athée]

Lol! You could call me a lanuage-a-holic!

I speak English, French, German, Italian, Spanish and Portugese.

 

[Na7lah]

I speak English, French, German, Italian, Spanish and Portugese.

which one from these two is easier?

 

[Athée]

Well, it all depends on your first language. Was it English?

 

[Na7lah]

^Yeah

 

[Athée]

Spanish was MUCH easier for me. It is a phonetic language and it relates more to the English language. Also, If you learn Spanish first french will be that much easier for you!

 

[Na7lah]

hmmm ok thnks

 

[Athée]

I am not 100% fluent in French like I am with the other languages I listed, so my opinion could mean nothing

 

[Souljette]

I think spanish is easier then french..I hated learning french but loved spanish..i think it is easier