What miracles did the prophet perform?

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"The present text of the Koran, which all Muslims accept as the only non-falsified holy book, was collected 15-20 years after the death of Muhammad in the time of the Caliph Uthman who ordered all previous collections to be burned. For researchers, it constitutes the first Arab written text to understand the Arab society in the time of Muhammad. Although Muslims consider the Koran as the most marvelous book, objectively speaking it remains one of the most disordered and most ambiguous books that ever existed."

The Koran was collected 15-20 years after the death of the prophet. What d muslims say to this? Surely its a tale of chinese whispers? Things changes, opinions, times, interpretations etc. Whats to say it really is the same? You believe it is, but it doesnt make it so.
 
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metsudaistwice said:
salam
can you prove that? battles were taken place to protect the muslims from the kuffars, you won't just stand there and let a person rob you and your family? muslims had a right to fight against the kuffars to protect themselves and their religion
and your source of info for the looting is unreliable so i disregard that fact.
wasalam
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Were no muslims not killed if they did not embrace Islam?
 
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jitty said:
Were no muslims not killed if they did not embrace Islam?
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no - unless in war and that was only when the non muslims fought against the muslims in the first place. the muslims wanted to live peacefully but the non muslims kept fighting due to pride.

i dont understand why you keep creating your own fake theories - if you really wanted to know the facts, you would read the biography of our beloved Prophet Muhammad sal Allaahu alayhi wasalam, but instead - you want to argue about something you have no knowledge about.
 
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salam
yes bro akhee that is true, please verify your so called theories and then put it accross here
thank you
wasalam
 
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akhee said:
no - unless in war and that was only when the non muslims fought against the muslims in the first place. the muslims wanted to live peacefully but the non muslims kept fighting due to pride.

i dont understand why you keep creating your own fake theories - if you really wanted to know the facts, you would read the biography of our beloved Prophet Muhammad sal Allaahu alayhi wasalam, but instead - you want to argue about something you have no knowledge about.
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"Roughly speaking, the Prophet launched 80 campaigns during the ten years from his migration in A.D. 622 to his death in A.D. 632. Some of these campaigns were nothing more than reconnaissance missions."

http://www.al-islam.org/restatement/20.htm

"reconnaissance missions" :mad:
 
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salam
is that written by Sir William Muir ?
that just says it all, doesn't it?
wasalam
 
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Are you telling me Islam spread through all the Arab countries without wars being fought? People just embraced it and saw it greatness?

The wars continued with his "successors" (the "caliphs"): (Empires of Islam)

- The Successors of the Prophet: ("Caliph" means "successor"):
The Four Rightly Guided Caliphs: Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, and Ali.

The world of Islam would expand far beyond the borders of the Arabian peninsula during their tenure— war after war, to the east into the Persian empire, north into Byzantine territory, and west across the face of northern Africa.
Umar continued the war of conquests begun by Abu Bakr. He pressed into the Persian Empire itself, but he also headed north into Syria and Byzantine territory and west into Egypt. By 640, Islamic military campaigns had brought all of Mesopotamia and most of Syria and Palestine under the control of Abu Bakr. Egypt was conquered by 642 and the Persian Empire by 643. These were some of the richest regions in the world guarded by powerful militaries—and they fell into Islamic hands in a heartbeat http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/ISLAM/CALIPH.HTM
Within a decade they took control of Egypt, Palestine, Syria, Iraq, Iran, all Mesopotamia... capturing Damascus in 635, Jerusalem in 640, Cairo in 641, Alexandria in 642...
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jitty, you ever tried reading the biography of our beloved Prophet Muhammad sal Allaahu alayhi wasalam from a muslim perspective? verily the muslims knew him (peace be upon him) the most, so why not try learning from the muslims.. instead you keep bringing up all this info. from non muslims.
 
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Did his sucessors not continue war mongering to spread Islam to other countries?
 
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salam
i suggest 'jitty' that you read about this religion from our point of view, the muslims point of view, and then come back and ask again
untill then you don't have any knowledge of our religion and you are just reading it all off from unreliable and biased sites
wasalam
 
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metsudaistwice said:
salam
yes bro akhee that is true, please verify your so called theories and then put it accross here
thank you
wasalam
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"I have been ordered by God to fight with people till they bear testimony to the fact that there is no God but Allah and that Mohammed is his messenger, and that they establish prayer and pay Zakat (money). If they do it, their blood and their property are safe from me" (see Bukhari Vol. I, p. 13).
 
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metsudaistwice said:
salam
i suggest 'jitty' that you read about this religion from our point of view, the muslims point of view, and then come back and ask again
untill then you don't have any knowledge of our religion and you are just reading it all off from unreliable and biased sites
wasalam
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But then that works both ways, does it not? Maybe you should also step outside the box. I have been in and out of the box, so I am replying in reply to the people inside the box having already been in the box.:peace:
 
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salam
what number hadith is it? and which site did you get this from?
wasalam
 
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jitty said:
"I have been ordered by God to fight with people till they bear testimony to the fact that there is no God but Allah and that Mohammed is his messenger, and that they establish prayer and pay Zakat (money). If they do it, their blood and their property are safe from me" (see Bukhari Vol. I, p. 13).
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the word fighting in this context does not mean physical hitting or wars or torture or whatever gruesome things you might be speculating
fighting means standing your ground through peaceful preaching
fighting for your religion means upholding the teachings of Islam and peacefully explaining others to do the same

If they do it, their blood and their property are safe from me" okayyy..where did u get this from ?
 
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salam
what number hadith was this? and is that the full hadith?
wasalam

salam
you don't even mention who it was narrated by nor what number hadith it is? you are unreliable and have no knowledge in islam
wasalam
 
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salam
hadith number? it isn't like a bible where you can navigate through page numbers, you shouldknow the number of the hadith from wherever you got it from
wasalam
 
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Since it is unfair if we say to you to read from a Muslims point of view, i suggest you simply read from an Unbiased source, one that doesnt say anything in favor of muslims and nothing in favor of non-muslims. This book is written by a Muslim, but it is not biased. I myself have read it and it is extraordinarily written. It is infact used as a textbook in many universites across the world:



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Re: What miricles did the prophet perform?

Greetings Ahmed,
Åhmed;121456 said:
Those arent religious texts which were revealed by God. The Quran is, and so were the original Testaments, and they were changed, and yet the Quran remains unchanged.
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The Qur'an is the only text which is agreed by all of its adherents to be the direct word of god. Not all Jews believe the Torah has divine authorship, and I've never met a Christian who claimed divine authorship for the Bible, or even parts of it. So the Qur'an seems to be unique in having the deity attributed as its author by large numbers of people

Anyway, this is irrelevant. You stated in a post that the fact it had survived unchanged for 1426 years was miraculous. I was merely pointing out that this is not unusual, and far from miraculous. Whether the text is religious or not has no bearing on this particular point.

metsudaistwice said:
and the fact that the original quran is still intact and readable unlike these unreligious lectures of writers
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The Qur'an is still intact, and so are the works of these ancient writers.

As for them being unreadable, that is a subjective judgment which has no real bearing on the discussion. I've read Plato, Aristotle and some of Herodotus, and I found them very interesting as a matter of fact - particularly Plato.

Incidentally, only Aristotle wrote lecture notes, as far as we know from surviving texts. Herodotus wrote history (invented it in fact), Plato wrote dialogues and Hesiod wrote poetry. The ancient Greeks would have considered the description "unreligious" quite insulting if applied to Hesiod.

Peace
 

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