What nations would the Caliphate include?

[aadil77]

You cant say either one of them is worse the the other, their both in tatters and are far away from Islam. The Taliban arent exactly sticking to the right path with the suicide bombings and killing of innocents in market places are they?
No, I'm not...Read what i said a few posts back

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Bro just to let you know im pakistani if you are too please ignore any nationalism you have in your heart and look at the facts, pakistani traitor govt allied with kaffir terrorist states vs taliban govt ruling by shariah, there is a big difference. I don't want to attack pakistan rather show you the difference and how unislamic they really are. War tactics that the taliban use have a difference of opinion amongst scholars, they do not target innocents, why would they? they're fighting for those same people it would be stupid to target the people you're fighting for + unislamic

And please do not accuse Allah of supporting an unislamic puppet regime, that rules by democracy instead Allahs laws, kills its own muslims, sells its own civilians as prisoners, allows all kinds of filth to be sold in shops and shown on tv, allies with terrorist states that are at war with muslims, etc etc

I wish pakistan was the 'islamic republic' its meant to be, I really do - they have the potential, but the facts are it is far from islam and Allahs blessings. There was a time when pakistan was becoming close to islam, that was when Muhammad Zia-Ul-Haq was around, may Allah bless him, he was implementing islam in the country, he supported the taliban when the russians invaded, this was all until he was assassinated in that plane crash. Look at the state of pakistan now they wouldn't dare support the taliban againt the american invasion.

 

[IslamicRevival]

Do you honestly believe the Taliban are capable of forming a government and implementing Shariah law in Pakistan? The same Taliban which blew up hundreds of girls schools around Pakistan? They themselves go against Islamic law so how can you expect these people with their warped ideology to lead a whole country?

The Pakistani government were wrong to involve the US in the fight against the Taliban...but maybe Pakistan should have worked something out on the table instead of going out all guns blazing

And please do not accuse Allah of supporting an unislamic puppet regime, that rules by democracy instead Allahs laws, kills its own muslims, sells its own civilians as prisoners, allows all kinds of filth to be sold in shops and shown on tv, allies with terrorist states that are at war with muslims, etc etc

Whats this all about? What a bizarre comment and a dangerous accusation to make!

I would like Pakistan to be under shariah law BUT not with the taliban at the helm. InshAllah it will happen once we get that fraud of a prime minister out of power and we have someone who has integrity elected

 

[aadil77]

Do you honestly believe the Taliban are capable of forming a government and implementing Shariah law in Pakistan? The same Taliban which blew up hundreds of girls schools around Pakistan? They themselves go against Islamic law so how can you expect these people with their warped ideology to lead a whole country?

Are pak taliban and afghan taliban the same? The afghan taliban have differentiated themselves from the pak taliban

But do you seriously beleive the pak taliban are behind all the bombings on schools and mosques etc?

I can give you proof that they have denied such unislamic acts, they themsleves have said its due to the huge presence of the blackwater terrorist group, please think about these things before assuming the worst of fellow muslims

The Pakistani government were wrong to involve the US in the fight against the Taliban...but maybe Pakistan should have worked something out on the table instead of going out all guns blazing

They did the same in lal masjid, they're just as bad as the US

Whats this all about? What a bizarre comment and a dangerous accusation to make!

Prove anything wrong with my 'accusation

I would like Pakistan to be under shariah law BUT not with the taliban at the helm. InshAllah it will happen once we get that fraud of a prime minister out of power and we have someone who has integrity elected

InshAllah but you probably also know that democratic law will also have to go

You said:

We have the most powerful, the most high Allah SWT on our side

I hope you didn't mean on the side of the current pakistan government?

 

[Supreme]

Please don't derail this discussion on whether the Taliban are righteous soldiers of God or evil, murderous thugs with a hidden agenda- keep to the topic at hand.

 

[Candle]

Ideally, the Caliphate would extend from Tunisia, through Libya, Egypt, the middle East, the Arabian peninsula, through the Iraq (includes Iraq, Iran, Turkmenistan) to the top of the Caspian and the borders of China. Historically, that is the strength of the caliphate. The Berbers and Moroccans claimed an independent caliphate, so I dunno about them.. *chin scratch*

The historic Caliphate, especially the Abbasids, were tolerant of of Shi'ite sectarianism who labeled themselves the "pious opposition". But after the Abu-Muslim revolt, the Shi'ites were left to sort of sit on their hands in the Iraq. I don't think a modern day caliphate could placate them the way they used to. They've gained too much independence in Iran.. Any modern day Caliphate would just have to write off Iran. Not even Selim I the Stern could rid the Iran of Shi'ism.

Small sectarian Jewish and Christian groups would most likely be outlawed. The large orthodox institutions would probably be left intact but taxed nonetheless.

Caliphates have always been military oriented, from the Syrian garrisons to the Egyptian Mamluks and the European janissary corps. They've also always been plagued by rebel groups. I predict a substantial military force. Probably conscription.
I'm sure that women, as all members of the Caliphate, would follow sharia law. I don't think it would be wahhabi though. Large Islamic empires have always adopted Hanafi or other, lighter systems of law which are easier to enforce. But who knows?

I think Caliphs would be regional. Even if there was only one Caliph, the real power would lie in regional government, ie. one ruler for Africa, one for the Jazirat al arab, another for the Iraq. Establishment of rulers would be regionally specific as well. Re-establishment of the Vizierate could keep them all on the same page.

That's my perspective from studying Islamic civ, which is fascinatin.

 

[IslamicRevival]

I hope you didn't mean on the side of the current pakistan government?

:hmm:

-Would this Caliphate put a lot of emphasis on the military aspect on things? Would it develop nuclear warheads, perhaps? Would it try and become a major global power and rival China, America and Russia?

I was answering this ^ question , Nothing to do with Pakistan whatsoever. :hmm: Allah SWT is on our IE The MUSLIMS side and that's all we need.

Are pak taliban and afghan taliban the same? The afghan taliban have differentiated themselves from the pak taliban

I would have though they will have their differences but not major ones. Allah Azzawajal Knows best

But do you seriously beleive the pak taliban are behind all the bombings on schools and mosques etc?

I can give you proof that they have denied such unislamic acts, they themsleves have said its due to the huge presence of the blackwater terrorist group, please think about these things before assuming the worst of fellow muslims

I do believe they are partly responsible. I'm not being cynical at all. These people think Jihad is walking onto a plane and blowing yourself to pieces! This is not what Islam teaches.

Prove anything wrong with my 'accusation

What the hell you talkin about man? I didnt get what you meant the first tme and now you're comin gout with this drivel? You've got the end of the stick and you accused me of something which you should not have done and its not a light matter!