What´s going on in Turkey?

The police force seems to be aligned with Erdogan, there is some slightly older (non-live) footage of police officers arresting soldiers, the men in blue taking the men in fatigues on a perp walk. Quite an odd scene. These particular soldiers are presumed to be part of the coup. I'm not sure if everyone in the military is locked into this, or if the entire police force everywhere is united, but that is one thing that's been happening.
 
Fareed Zakaria is saying this is an unusual coup. Usually military coups are top-down, straightforward and united. Zakaria is saying this is a more chaotic coup involving people who aren't in senior positions of leadership, and the military is split on this, it's not the whole military doing this. This is somewhat unprecedented, for this kind of coup in Turkey at least, nobody could have anticipated this, no one was prepared for anything like this, and that could be pretty bad in the medium term.

The coup-supporting military people are telling everyone stay inside, there's a curfew. Erdogan is saying everyone come outside, support your president. And some people are. This is a disaster waiting to happen.
 
Erdogan is addressing the nation live, but CNN doesn't have a translator on it yet. In the meantime, the CNN Turk people are describing being forced out of their place of work at gunpoint. It's an empty studio there right now.

But then....after the pro-coup soldiers did this, some concerned citizens got some police involved in the situation, a helicopter landed nearby and the cops and soldiers are in a standoff. The soldiers have the building. The police are still outside.

Anyone watching what Erdogan is saying?
 
Im watching the news now, but i havent heard him speak

Im just hoping nobody has been hurt, its just too much now, around the world
 
It is way too early to start reconstructing the truth from the lies in the media reports. You can only do that by making use of the fact that it is insanely hard to keep a set of lies consistent. So, you need to wait until they have been contradicting themselves for a longer period of time.

One thing is for sure. Turkey has become impossibly unstable now.

The Kurdish autonomous area in Iraq is a safe haven for all sorts of PKK-like militarized groups. With the US supporting the autonomous area, the American weapons and money are increasingly getting used against the Turkish army. The price tag associated to American help is that the Kurds are supposed to carry out military operations against particular tribal insurgencies that have been re-labeled by the Americans as "Al-Qaeda" and "Islamic State". Note that the re-labeling is very fluid. They are being re-labeled dynamically to something else, as it suits the guys doing the re-labeling.

The point is, that the Kurdish club are not much interested in taking on the tribal insurgents, though. They'd rather support the Kurdish militia that take on the Turkish army instead. This puts pressure onto Turkey to effectively assist the tribal insurgencies in Syria and Iraq (some of the re-labeled guys), if only they promise to attack the Kurdish autonomous region, which they actually sometimes do.

What the media are not reporting -- but which must undoubtedly be the case -- is that the Turkish state has lost control over entire areas in Turkey, which are now also effectively controlled by tribal insurgencies. The Turkish army must have suffered several military defeats in these areas, about which nobody has been reporting. There must be a relatively quiet but nonetheless bloody war going on there. I also suspect that the Turkish army also has enough of the politics that render their military operations very costly and utterly ineffective. On paper, the Americans are their allies but in practice the Americans happily support their worst enemies. There must also incessantly be shootouts between the Turkish secret services and the CIA, with the Turks trying to prevent the CIA from helping the Kurds and the CIA trying to prevent the Turks from helping the re-labeled tribal insurgents in Syria and Iraq.

With both the CIA (Americans) and the FSB (Russians) deeply infiltrated in the Turkish state -and security apparatus, it is not even clear who exactly instructed those Turkish military under their control, to attempt a coup against Erdogan. We all also knew that Putin was going to get even some day, with Erdogan, and we also know very well what his most potent weapon is: the FSB. Someone has managed to overrule Turkish intelligence, but we do not know who exactly. We can reasonably assume, however, that a relevant part of the Turkish intelligence services have turned the tables on Erdogan.
 
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In Erdogan's speech, he blames this on cleric-in-exile Fethullah Gulen, although his group denies it so who knows. He's talking about cleaning up the armed forces, he's called the coup-supporters armed terrorists, he says the tanks they're driving don't belong to them, many arrests have been/are being made, and apparently he is open to potentially shooting down the rogue military aircraft.

The TRT reporter who announced the military had taken over was forced to do so at gunpoint. Some of this is becoming a little more clear, and I'm feeling more comfortable with saying this is a failed coup attempt, although it remains to be seen if there will be ongoing violence. Let's hope not too much.

All the main political parties with representation in parliament have denounced the coup attempt.
 
Oops, didn't mean to post that twice. I will add this, along with cleaning things up this may wind up being an opportunity to crack down on some things.

And as a little bump, I am one other person who's curious to know what is meant by Islamist.
 
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Tanks are parked on the Bosphorus Bridge in Istanbul and military guys just started walking away from their positions with their hands raised. Seems to be a movement toward reconciliation and de-escalation.
 
> cleric-in-exile Fethullah Gulen, although his group denies it so who knows ...

It sounds so unlikely, indeed.

You see, the autonomous (Heremi) Kurds have successfully and firmly taken over Jazira in Syria. It is obviously of strategic importance for them to keep Kobane too. The Kurds pretty much control the entire Rojava now (Syrian Kurdistan). This is of strategic importance to them. At the same time, the relabeled guys have spent way too much effort on Kobane than can be explained by their own interests. The whole case only matters to Turkey. Therefore, I reasonably assume that Erdogan has been funding and exhorting some of the relabeled guys to "do something" about Kobane.

The autonomous (Heremi) Kurds grabbing control over Rojava is something that must abhor the Turks, as you clearly see that the autonomous (Heremi) Kurds must in fact be after the Bakure region in Turkey (Turkish Kurdistan).

In May 2016, a Turkish Bell AH-1 SuperCobra helicopter was documented shot down by a PKK-fired Russian made MANPAD.

I therefore conclude that both the CIA and FSB (Russians) are now resolutely funding and arming the autonomous (Heremi) Kurds, whose local militia are now successfully knocking out the presence of the Turkish army in Bakure (Turkish Kurdistan).

This coup is a tremendous success for them.

The purpose of this coup is to get the Turks shooting at each other, so that they distrust each other too much to keep fighting effectively in Bakure. Ultimately, it is the autonomous (Heremi) Kurds who benefit the most from all of this. I am putting my money on the idea that they are somehow behind all of this.

All of this looks like being part of a strategic initiative to unite Heremi, Rojava and Bakure into some kind of one Kurdish "autonomous entity". They are clearly outclassing the Turks now, both politically and militarily, as they are firmly backed by both the Americans and the Russians. I expect them to further keep pushing Erdogan against the wall, prior to commencing a general advance on Bakure. If the Turks do not invent something quickly, to stem their losses, as they have even lost control over a relevant part of their own secret services, they will end up retreating from Bakure in disarray.
 
the coup attempting soldiers have just surrendered in Istanbul, with one of the arrested leaders of the coup having called for them to surrender.... :(
 
May Allah :swt: restore peace and security everywhere, specially in Turkey which is one of the strongest Muslim nations.

Coups and revolutions are never good. Remember what happened in Pakistan, Egypt, the Mustafa Kamal coup earlier in Turkey, and others in rest of the Muslim world? What follows them is chaos, insecurity, huge loss of lives, and usually mixed with attempts to eradicate Islamic values. May Allah :swt: protect us all.
 
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My friend sent me this, this was beautiful to wake up to, no matter what happens, prayer will always come first no matter where.... Allahu Akbar [emoji7] [emoji7] [emoji7]
 
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I do not know much about Turkey's internal politics but let me say AFAIK .

If Erdogan was the main leader to remove the ban on Hijab so such a leader must be fully supported by Sincere Muslims and i did see some videos in which Erdogan came out of the masjid after Fajar salah and met mainly groups of women wearing Hijab and were waiting to meet him. though some said it was just a Propaganda but my view is EVEN if it was a Propaganda but it was the right thing (propaganda) for a sincere Muslim ruler to do that he Prayed Fajar salah with jamat SO THAT OTHERS FOLLOW HIM . About some claims that he is a tyrant , If he could apply Islam in a Muslim Majority country were Hijab was detested Naturally those who supported The Hijab Ban will consequently call him a Tyrant since he has forced Hijab on them ..

So such Islam applying Tyrants are welcome provided they do not behave like ISIS going against the Noble Quran & hadith and killing its dhimmis & Muslims alike in the name of islam. The Need of the hour for the Muslim Ummah is such Leaders like Erdogan though the method to Power was not 100 % Islamic but still its better than the worst like those leaders who supported shaitan and a Hijab ban & filthy westernization.
 
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I do not know much about Turkey's internal politics but let me say AFAIK .

If Erdogan was the main leader to remove the ban on Hijab so such a leader must be fully supported by Sincere Muslims and i did see some videos in which Erdogan came out of the masjid after Fajar salah and met mainly groups of women wearing Hijab and were waiting to meet him. though some said it was just a Propaganda but my view is EVEN if it was a Propaganda but it was the right thing (propaganda) for a sincere Muslim ruler to do that he Prayed Fajar salah with jamat SO THAT OTHERS FOLLOW HIM . About some claims that he is a tyrant , If he could apply Islam in a Muslim Majority country were Hijab was detested Naturally those who supported The Hijab Ban will consequently call him a Tyrant since he has forced Hijab on them ..

So such Islam applying Tyrants are welcome provided they do not behave like ISIS going against the Noble Quran & hadith and killing its dhimmis & Muslims alike in the name of islam. The Need of the hour for the Muslim Ummah is such Leaders like Erdogan though the method to Power was not 100 % Islamic but still its better than the worst like those leaders who supported shaitan and a Hijab ban & filthy westernization.
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i totally agree with you, i also don't know anything about turkish politics, but if he is promoting Islam in the best of ways, giving rights and freedoms to muslims and everyone else (as should be per our sharia) then we should be happy that he is in power and hope that he promotes Islam in the best of ways, and doesn't take away their rights like what the west is doing to us here slowly and slowly
 
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i totally agree with you, i also don't know anything about turkish politics, but if he is promoting Islam in the best of ways, giving rights and freedoms to muslims and everyone else (as should be per our sharia) then we should be happy that he is in power and hope that he promotes Islam in the best of ways, and doesn't take away their rights like what the west is doing to us here slowly and slowly
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HE is NOT promoting freedoms for people....he is seizing media outlets left and right, censoring the media heavily, sending people to prison for insulting him or criticizing him, and persecuting the Gulen movement on false pretenses........how can you people support a crook like him?
 
also, Erdogan is turning turkey into a police state, committing war crimes in southeastern turkey, is a crony capitalist, is wasting taxpayer's money, and has just made peace with Israel, Russia, Egypt, and SYRIA.
 
Assalamu alaykum

What is happening to this world?....Everyone I think is really taken aback by this because of all the Muslim nations Turkey came across as the most secure and peaceful, and now that is changing.

Coups, I agree, are never, ever a good thing. The most glaring example I can think of is Pakistan and its periods of martial law - it just resulted in chaos and deterioration and tbh Pakistan is yet to recover decades later...Erdogan wasn't a perfect leader (and honestly there's no good leader in any nation), but this isn't the way to take power. So many civilians were killed.

News reports of it are really mixed up and throwing conflicting reports around, apparently the coup is under control but everyone is saying it is a fluid situation, anything could happen.

May Allah swt bring peace and stability to the world and to the Muslim Ummah :( Of all times now we really need peace and unity.
 

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