What´s going on in Turkey?

Mustafa16 said:
HE is NOT promoting freedoms for people....he is seizing media outlets left and right, censoring the media heavily, sending people to prison for insulting him or criticizing him, and persecuting the Gulen movement on false pretenses........how can you people support a crook like him?
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He also has started co-operating with Israel again. How a honest Muslim leader can do such things while Israel violates rights of brothers and sisters in Palestine every day?

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I don´t support coups but I don´t support kind of leaders neither.
 
Yes there was a military coup attempt last night in Turkey. It has totally failed within half a day. Most probably that was planned and supported by Fethullah Gulen movement (an Islamist movement) who were in hand with AKP before but is being persecuted by Erdogan currently. 161 people died so far and may injured. they even attacked the Parliament in Ankara.

I am politically against Erdogan with the similar reasons of Mustafa16. He popped up as if a Muslim leader which Turkey has been waiting for a long time but He and many other AKP politicians turned into tyrants easily.. but the worst elected government is better than a military coup. So I am happy that it couldnt succeed
 
Mustafa16, are you a PKK supporter or Gulen follower?
if yes, maybe that explains your support for the military coup against Erdogan goverment...
 
:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

:sl: (Peace be upon you)

Yeah, I understand what you mean, sis. But the honest truth is that if any leadership in a Muslim nation wants to stay in power, they're going to have to cooperate and be friendly with Israel. If they don't, the Western powers and Israel won't let them stay in power - it's as simple as that. That's just how geopolitics currently work; it's been proven time and again that to go against Israel for any Muslim nation means that Israel will plan to destabilize you from within and Iraq and Syria are examples that have lived out this truth before our eyes.

For example, Saddam Hussein was pro-nuclear weapons for the Arab world because he wanted to be able to attack Israel. Guess what? He's now gone and died a humiliating death. Read Saddam Hussein's Dreams of an End to the Zionist Nightmare. Btw, I'm not saying Saddam Hussein was a great leader, because obviously he was a dictator and someone who couldn't in the end understand the manipulations of the Western powers that were happy to dethrone him at the earliest opportunity due to the unholy alliance that exists between Israel and America; to his credit though, he understood that Israel was a major duplicitous and cancerous player in the Middle East but in the end he underestimated both Israel and America to his fatal detriment.

Syria's relations with Israel have been "bad" for a long time and had historically even resulted in wars. Israel wanted Assad gone and this is proven from statements of Israel and other documents that show that Israel wanted the country of Syria to be destabilized, and it was the United States as proven in the book The WikiLeaks Files: The World According to US Empire that furthered this ambition of Israel.

Tbh, it is a very deadly and stupid move for any Muslim nation to currently challenge Israel in any way; I think the vernacular "don't hate the player hate the game" is apt here because Israel is many ways the nerve center of how U.S. foreign politics is shaped (with clueless American public not realizing the extent to which we're held hostage to Israel's desires because in the modern-day context Muslims are easily scapegoated as villains while the American public largely remains ignorant of what the true cause of the problem is and right under their noses too!) and also influences many Western countries' foreign policies.

Muslims, for example, wonder why Saudi Arabia is friendly with Israel; well, the reason Saudi Arabia is able to "stand" today because it is friendly with Israel; the day KSA decides to change the rules is the day that Saudi kingship won't last and chaos will occur in the country.

Currently, the Muslim world is weak, and to challenge Israel means suicide for that Muslim nation. So, better not. Erdogan is smart and realizes that.

:wa: (And peace be upon you)
sister herb said:
He also has started co-operating with Israel again. How a honest Muslim leader can do such things while Israel violates rights of brothers and sisters in Palestine every day?

:facepalm:

I don´t support coups but I don´t support kind of leaders neither.
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Can someone please tell me who this "gulen" guy is and what exactly he follows (google is not helping me right now)
 
Mustafa16 said:
HE is NOT promoting freedoms for people....he is seizing media outlets left and right, censoring the media heavily, sending people to prison for insulting him or criticizing him, and persecuting the Gulen movement on false pretenses........how can you people support a crook like him?
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I said before that i dont know anything about turkish politics and only really pay attention to uk politics and America as these will effect me directly.

And i said that i would support someone who gives rights to muslims, puts us in the best of light, and does not allow the media to constantly bash our religion and make us out to be dirty barbaric terrorists, which the west practically shoves down our throat everyday. There is no muslim country who stands up for their religion even those overseas, eg look at saudi oil rich still trading with the west while on a daily it bashes our beloved religion, now if they stopped all of that, the west would be at their mercy not the other way around.
So like i said anyone who promotes Islam and will not allow anyone to insult our beliefs or take away our rights to practice, i will support

I would never support a coup like this where innocent people are injured or harmed or killed which ended up happening, and for reasons which tbh arent exactly clear as to why
the only coup i would ever support would be in America if that turd trump becomes president i would 100% fully support the takedown of his government
 
muslimah_B said:
Can someone please tell me who this "gulen" guy is and what exactly he follows (google is not helping me right now)
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he is a religious (Islamic) cleric who lives in self-imposed exile in the USA. He helped Erdogan get into power and to curb the power of the military, since Turkey used to be a secular repressive society, restricting religious freedoms. However, in 2012, the Erdogan government decided to shut down the Gulen run "cram schools" which prepare students for college, and Gulen criticized the response to Gezi park protests in Istanbul (which was violent). The protests were over the building of a mosque in a nature park area. Finally, things got REAL bad in 2013 when Judiciary officials accused senior AKP officials and their affiliates of smuggling gold for oil from Iran, thus violating sanctions on Iran.......Erdogan's two sons, and many AKP officials were arrested, and a tape was found of Erdogan telling his son to "nullify" the cash due to ongoing investigations. Shoeboxes were found with millions of dollars in them, presumably bribes. Erdogan called the tapes a "nasty, shameless, and dastardly montage," and accused Gulen's supporters of using their influence within the police and judiciary to launch a "judiciary coup", thus, Erdogan demoted and fired many judges and police officers, and replaced them with those loyal to him. Later, he accused Gulen supporters of "wiretapping" his phone, and he accused the Gulen movement of being a "parallel government" and declared them a terrorist organization, and anyone who made donations to them or had links to them would be arrested, even if it was money for zakat....read about it here....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_government_–_Gülen_Movement_conflict
 
:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

:sl: (Peace be upon you)

sister herb said:
It is better to die standing than to live crawling.
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Lol, one would think so, but the reality is so different: Don't worry - in the end - Israel will fail, because in the end-time prophecies it is clear that the fate of the nation is a bad one and it is primarily because God records injustices even if the world turns the other way.

If a Muslim person in real life is starving, he's even allowed to eat the meat of a pig even though pork is forbidden to us generally at any other time. In that same way, I think survival of a nation and security of its people is paramount and the bigger priority than feel-good principles that will result in destruction of a nation and its peoples.

See, you and I can afford principles, because the survival of peoples and a nation doesn't rest on us.

:wa: (And peace be upon you)
 
*Yasmin* said:
Mustafa16, are you a PKK supporter or Gulen follower?
if yes, maybe that explains your support for the military coup against Erdogan goverment...
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gulen follower.....or at least my family is, I don't feel one way or another about the movement
 
anatolian said:
Yes there was a military coup attempt last night in Turkey. It has totally failed within half a day. Most probably that was planned and supported by Fethullah Gulen movement (an Islamist movement) who were in hand with AKP before but is being persecuted by Erdogan currently. 161 people died so far and may injured. they even attacked the Parliament in Ankara.
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A baseless accusation......
 
anatolian said:
Yes there was a military coup attempt last night in Turkey. It has totally failed within half a day. Most probably that was planned and supported by Fethullah Gulen movement (an Islamist movement) who were in hand with AKP before but is being persecuted by Erdogan currently. 161 people died so far and may injured. they even attacked the Parliament in Ankara.

I am politically against Erdogan with the similar reasons of Mustafa16. He popped up as if a Muslim leader which Turkey has been waiting for a long time but He and many other AKP politicians turned into tyrants easily.. but the worst elected government is better than a military coup. So I am happy that it couldnt succeed
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In fact, I'd say Erdogan orchestrated the coup as a false flag attack in order to seize more control over the judiciary and military.
 
With the help of Allah we can come back to power and resist israel. In the name of Allah and to bring Islam to mankind.

We have to ask "who are we fighting for? What are we fighting for? Why are we fighting?" We fight for Allah and that means, afaik, bringing good to humanity and doing self-sacrifice in the name of Islam and for humanity's good.

with every step in the right direction and with right intentions, one will face opposition.
 
And what will happens in Turkey next? Any opinions? I can see that in there were a lot of internal problems already before this trying of coup.
 
sister herb said:
And what will happens in Turkey next? Any opinions? I can see that in there were a lot of internal problems already before this trying of coup.
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now Erdogan will seize the opportunity to purge the judiciary and army of all people not loyal to him, and replace them with those loyal to him. he will also use this to rally support for a presidential system of government, much like the us, rather than a parliamentary democracy
 
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:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

:sl: (Peace be upon you)

I understand, sis herb, what you're saying but perhaps in this instance I cannot agree. I'd say wisdom is part of how we should ideally operate as Muslims (as Prophet :saws: (peace and blessings be upon him) said, "Wisdom is the lost property of the believer; so wherever he finds it then he has a right to it" and we also learn from the story relayed of Prophet Solomon (peace be upon him) the importance of using wisdom in judgment when both mothers claimed the child as her own), and it would be most unwise at this moment in time for any Muslim nation to challenge Israel and the one who would do it does it to his own and his nation's detriment. Considering the enemy's power, it is wiser and safer to play nice and remain on friendly terms so as to prevent their harm from further befalling us in the Muslim world.

:wa: (And peace be upon you)

sister herb said:
Salam alaykum



Reality is, in fact, that if we stay passive and be friend with our enemy, we remain weak.
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:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

:sl: (Peace be upon you)

Prophet :saws: (peace and blessings be upon him) said, "If Sham became corrupt, then the whole world is corrupted."

Well, that saying 1400 years ago has become true as Sham has been corrupted.

Now there is no power on earth that can help set things aright until heavenly intervention of Allah bringing in relief with Mahdi alayhis salaam (peace be upon him) arriving on the world scene and the Return of Jesus alayhis salaam (peace be upon him).

Until then, we must be patient.

:wa: (And peace be upon you)

Serinity said:
With the help of Allah we can come back to power and resist israel. In the name of Allah and to bring Islam to mankind.

We have to ask "who are we fighting for? What are we fighting for? Why are we fighting?" We fight for Allah and that means, afaik, bringing good to humanity and doing self-sacrifice in the name of Islam and for humanity's good.

with every step in the right direction and with right intentions, one will face opposition.
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Search said:
:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

:sl: (Peace be upon you)

I understand, sis herb, what you're saying but perhaps in this instance I cannot agree. I'd say wisdom is part of how we should ideally operate as Muslims (as Prophet :saws: (peace and blessings be upon him) said, "Wisdom is the lost property of the believer; so wherever he finds it then he has a right to it" and we also learn from the story relayed of Prophet Solomon (peace be upon him) the importance of using wisdom in judgment when both mothers claimed the child as her own), and it would be most unwise at this moment in time for any Muslim nation to challenge Israel and the one who would do it does it to his own and his nation's detriment. Considering the enemy's power, it is wiser and safer to play nice and remain on friendly terms so as to prevent their harm from further befalling us in the Muslim world.

:wa: (And peace be upon you)
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Its definitely a hard situation to be in, being friendly with your enemy to keep your country at peace and protect your countrymen/women
Or go to war with them and probally have the wrath of the usa & uk on their backs aswell 3 against one (i mean who is going to come to rhe aid of turkey? Or even anyone who goes against isreal

And just completely flattening them with a devistating attack is out of the question, waaay too many innocent lives will be lost, but i just cant help but think why in the heck do they just not "get rid" of these stupid government buildings and done, nobody innocent will be lost there, keep it small and contained... end of....then after that syria needs saving, then after that we say bye to turdalot (trumpalot) and that french clown and whoever else...

(Im highly sarcastic but i honestly wouldnt feel the least bit sad if this is what actually happens, maybe id even be happy)

(Maybe these "isis/daesh/isl" could take a page out of my book and stop terrorizing innocent people and actually do something to the dimwits who started this :/)
 
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