What scholars say about the Niqab controversy in the West

well if the situation reaches the point where muslimah's are being opressed and treated badly for wearing a niqab then its the time to leave that country for a muslim one where she can freely practice her deen with no harrasment from infidels. :)
 
Sami Zaatari said:
well if the situation reaches the point where muslimah's are being opressed and treated badly for wearing a niqab then its the time to leave that country for a muslim one where she can freely practice her deen with no harrasment from infidels. :)
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Any places you would reccomend?

yay Yemen/Indonesia? :D
 
yemen and indonesia is good, both countires dont harass muslim women who were niqabs, sadly tunis and turkey cant be counted in the list to emigrate to, since their becoming worst than non-muslim countries in regard to the niqab and even the hijab itself!
 
well you (pl) live in a kuffar land and expect them to give you your islamic rights, even if they post about freedom of speech and religion and all that crap?

NobleMuslimUK said:
Its a highly controversial issue, since a lot of muslims dont know about it, the sisters that wear niqab in the west are either opressed by the authorities or the public in the regard that they are not integrating by hiding their face.
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The basic principle is that it is not permissible for the Muslim to settle among the mushrikeen. This is indicated by evidence from the Qur’aan and Sunnah, and on the basis of common sense.


In the Qur’aan, Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“Verily, as for those whom the angels take (in death) while they are wronging themselves (as they stayed among the disbelievers even though emigration was obligatory for them), they (angels) say (to them): “In what (condition) were you?” They reply: “We were weak and oppressed on the earth.” They (angels) say: “Was not the earth of Allaah spacious enough for you to emigrate therein?” Such men will find their abode in Hell — what an evil destination!”
[al-Nisa’ 4:97]


In the Sunnah, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “I disown every Muslim who settles among the mushrikeen.” Narrated by Abu Dawood, 2645; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood.


http://www.islamqa.com/index.php?ref=13363&ln=eng&txt=disown muslims
 
NobleMuslimUK said:
Its a highly controversial issue, since a lot of muslims dont know about it, the sisters that wear niqab in the west are either opressed by the authorities or the public in the regard that they are not integrating by hiding their face.
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You know I think this is really just not true, I live in the west and I have talked about this with many of my friends and colleagues. Really I havent met anyone who thinks a woman is oppressed just because of how she dresses, I think the media may be trying to focus on that a little to draw people into a story but I dont think that is the actual thought that goes through peoples heads. Everyone I have talked to I asked "Do you think Muslim women are oppressed if they cover themselves in a Niqab" (which I usually had to explain what it was) and they would answer "No, I think that person came from the middle east" or "No I think that person is a Muslim".

Now as far as not integrating, I must say, they are not integrating. But that is the wonderful thing about the US, you dont have to integrate if you dont want to, as long as you do it without wanting a job or wanting some sort of special US treatment. My question is if you dont want to integrate why come to the US? We are not an Islamic society and we dont conform to help other integrate, everyone knows what to expect when they come to the US and everyone knows that you will appear different or "stand out" if you choose to dress like that.
 
Sami Zaatari said:
yemen and indonesia is good, both countires dont harass muslim women who were niqabs, sadly tunis and turkey cant be counted in the list to emigrate to, since their becoming worst than non-muslim countries in regard to the niqab and even the hijab itself!
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Morocco also banned hijaab.

Saudi and uae are good too for letting you practice islam.
 
islamirama said:
Morocco also banned hijaab.

Saudi and uae are good too for letting you practice islam.
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i knew morroco would do it! i wanted to mention them but was unsure, how predictable, yes uae is very good, although they allow lots of kufr acts to take place in their country, they still dont ban any Islamic practice as others do. as for Saudia they are the best place to go if you want the closest thing to a real sharia society.
 
MTAFFI said:
You know I think this is really just not true, I live in the west and I have talked about this with many of my friends and colleagues. Really I havent met anyone who thinks a woman is oppressed just because of how she dresses, I think the media may be trying to focus on that a little to draw people into a story but I dont think that is the actual thought that goes through peoples heads. Everyone I have talked to I asked "Do you think Muslim women are oppressed if they cover themselves in a Niqab" (which I usually had to explain what it was) and they would answer "No, I think that person came from the middle east" or "No I think that person is a Muslim".

Now as far as not integrating, I must say, they are not integrating. But that is the wonderful thing about the US, you dont have to integrate if you dont want to, as long as you do it without wanting a job or wanting some sort of special US treatment. My question is if you dont want to integrate why come to the US? We are not an Islamic society and we dont conform to help other integrate, everyone knows what to expect when they come to the US and everyone knows that you will appear different or "stand out" if you choose to dress like that.
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It's a controversy in UK apparently and europe, the narrow minded dumb british wants everyone to be like them exactly. Bunch of ill mannered poor english dorns.

I think of USA as a salad bowl not melting pot. Everyone has their traditions and values hey hold onto wether they are muslims, hindus, italians, etc but at the same time they all try to get along. Unlike UK, You won't hear someone calling you "paki" walking down the streets unless you're in a redneck area.
 
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Sami Zaatari said:
i knew morroco would do it! i wanted to mention them but was unsure, how predictable, yes uae is very good, although they allow lots of kufr acts to take place in their country, they still dont ban any Islamic practice as others do. as for Saudia they are the best place to go if you want the closest thing to a real sharia society.
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yes, morocco is trying to force it's citizens to be like kuffars. Dubai is very modern, like LA, but sharjah is very conservative. Even in Saudi you have liberal and conservative cities. Somali had niqaabis when Islamic courts ruled, since US and ethopians invaded it, they are ripping the hijab of the women and forcing everyone to not wear it. France and Turkey banned hijab while some european countries are banning niqaab.
 
The controversy boils down to the fact that, in Europe they dont want women to wear the niqab. Their defence sadly is that a lot of muslim countries have banned the niqab, the west relates this fact that since some of the muslim countries see the niqab as a curb to moving forward, then it must be true. Such as Turkey and now Morroco. I dont consider these countries as Muslim.
 
Sami Zaatari said:
well if the situation reaches the point where muslimah's are being opressed and treated badly for wearing a niqab then its the time to leave that country for a muslim one where she can freely practice her deen with no harrasment from infidels. :)
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Thats true man !
If you dont like the laws in one country, please- leave it!
 
Aaron85 said:
Thats true man !
If you dont like the laws in one country, please- leave it!
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does that give one the right to make arrogrant laws and at the same time boast about freedom of religion, equality and all that superficial crap?
 
islamirama said:
does that give one the right to make arrogrant laws and at the same time boast about freedom of religion, equality and all that superficial crap?
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Yes. Freedom of religion doesnt mean to allow everything what one believer wants.Everyone must obey the law.
As i said again, if one doesnt like the law, or can't obey it, he/she should leave this country.
 
Aaron85 said:
Yes. Freedom of religion doesnt mean to allow everything what one believer wants.Everyone must obey the law.
As i said again, if one doesnt like the law, or can't obey it, he/she should leave this country.
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Perhaps you can tell me, what problem does a person have of someone wearing a niqaab and walking down the street? If it doesn't bother you to see a semi-naked woman then why a fully covered one? Freedom of religion means to let others practice their faith, and no one here is being affected by it. Whether a person walks down the street naked or covered has no bearing on how your life or anyone else's life will be affected. Now if your belief is to kidnap my cat and scarfice it then i can see having problems with you and freedom of religion.
 
islamirama said:
Perhaps you can tell me, what problem does a person have of someone wearing a niqaab and walking down the street? If it doesn't bother you to see a semi-naked woman then why a fully covered one? Freedom of religion means to let others practice their faith, and no one here is being affected by it. Whether a person walks down the street naked or covered has no bearing on how your life or anyone else's life will be affected. Now if your belief is to kidnap my cat and scarfice it then i can see having problems with you and freedom of religion.
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Ok dear islamirama.I will answer your question.So first of all i dont agree with French decision that girls in schools can't wear hijabs.For me it is silly law, because hijabs shouldnt be a problem for anybody.But with the niqaab problem is different.
First of all, women who wears a niqaab cant integrate with society.She can't get know with neighbours, other people dont even know who is this person who is walking right now. She is isolated from others.
And tell me how do you imagine picture of woman in niqaab on her Identity Card? :)
 
Aaron85 said:
Ok dear islamirama.I will answer your question.So first of all i dont agree with French decision that girls in schools can't wear hijabs.For me it is silly law, because hijabs shouldnt be a problem for anybody.But with the niqaab problem is different.
First of all, women who wears a niqaab cant integrate with society.She can't get know with neighbours, other people dont even know who is this person who is walking right now. She is isolated from others.
And tell me how do you imagine picture of woman in niqaab on her Identity Card? :)
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Here's a passage from an article on another thread on this "making contact" issue you raised
It is nonsense to suggest that by wearing a niqab I don't take part in society. When you walk through the streets or go shopping, how much contact do you really have even without a niqab? It is not as if you talk to everyone you meet.
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You should read the story of this dutch revert on niqaab :)
http://www.islamicboard.com/world-affairs/41517-you-nuts-woman-converts-islam.html

As for the ID issue, niqaab is not glued to the face that it never comes off. She can take the niqaab off to show her face to police officer, doctor, judge, wherever it is necessary. And also, did you know that there are many niqabi women in US who have taken a license photo with their niqaab on? Now that's what i call freedom of religion, something them brits should from US.
 

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