What scholars say about the Niqab controversy in the West

And also, did you know that there are many niqabi women in US who have taken a license photo with their niqaab on? Now that's what i call freedom of religion, something them brits should from US.[/QUOTE]


I think that USA is too political correct. Anyway, i still think that a picture of a woman wearing niqaab in id card is something so hiliarious that only Monthy Pyton or Borat could imagine something like that LOL! :D :D :D

But it still doesnt solve this problem. We may both dont agree with european laws, but since we live in Europe, we must obey it.
Law is law.
Remember dear Islamirama that immigrants who come to other country are guests and they should behave like guests.

Obeying the laws and integrating is not their privelege, but a DUTY.
 
In The Name of Allah, The Most Gracious, The Most Merciful​

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Regarding ID and other official documents that require pictures, I don't mind lifting my Niqab. These are legitimate needs.
From my personal experience, I've never been attacked or verbally abused in any way. I go to a university here and many people, regardless of what they may feel inside, are respectful and polite.
When I was in the airport, they had to verify my identification on the passport; one of the female employees took me to restroom and verified my ID there.

Aaron85 said:
Obeying the laws and integrating is not their privelege, but a DUTY.
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Obeying the law, yes, a Muslim immigrant should obey the law as long as the law doesn’t contradict the Islamic Law. But as far as integration is concerned, that’s an individual choice. Why should someone be forced integrate into something below their moral standards? demanding someone to integrate contradicts the principles of freedom.

wasalam
-SI-
 
siFilam said:
In The Name of Allah, The Most Gracious, The Most Merciful​

Why should someone be forced integrate into something below their moral standards? demanding someone to integrate contradicts the principles of freedom.

wasalam
-SI-
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Thnx God that more and more european politics have different opinion than you.

As i said again, when i come to other country as a immigrant i am guest and i have to behave like guest.

When western women come to Egypt or Pakistan , they dont walk on streets in very short mini skirts and short much reaviling t shirts. But it is also against the principles of freedom. :)

Regards.
 
Aaron85 said:
Thnx God that more and more european politics have different opinion than you.

As i said again, when i come to other country as a immigrant i am guest and i have to behave like guest.

When western women come to Egypt or Pakistan , they dont walk on streets in very short mini skirts and short much reaviling t shirts. But it is also against the principles of freedom. :)

Regards.
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Thing is, those countries don't go on and on about how much freedom they offer, unlike certain European countries.
 
In The Name of Allah, The Most Gracious, The Most Merciful​


Aaron85 said:
Thnx God that more and more european politics have different opinion than you.
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I know what u mean. thank God I don't think like those European politicians.


Aaron85 said:
As i said again, when i come to other country as a immigrant i am guest and i have to behave like guest.

When western women come to Egypt or Pakistan , they dont walk on streets in very short mini skirts and short much reaviling t shirts. But it is also against the principles of freedom. :)

Regards.
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egypt, pakistan and other muslim countries doesn't preach about principles of freedom. The US and other western countries do. why does it bother you if immigrants choose to lead a different lifestyle than yours. your opposition contradicts the principles of freedom.

-SI-
 
Democracy doesnt mean that everyone can do what he/she wants. And why it bothers me that immigrants dont want to integrate?
Because in France for example there are suburbs where police, taxis, and native French can't go.Those immigrants who didnt want to integrate burned thousands of cars, shops, and buildings some time ago in whole France.
Because In France there was many examples of immigrants who didnt want to integrate and who practiced their own traditions- for example man from Algeria beat his wife with a cable because she went to doctor who had to examine her body.
And guess what he said in court? He said that his tradition allows him to do
that !
Because in Germany most of turkish immigrants dont even bother to learn german language ! They have turkish newspapers, turkish tv, turkish radiostations, turkish shops.
Because some number of girls is killed every year in Holland, Germany and Sweden as a result of honour morders.
Because i still remember that during football match between France and Algeria in Paris, young French with arabic roots who lived ( and was born ) in France sung Algerian hymn, not the French one !
Because those who prepared and commited suicidal attacks (London,Madrit) also didn't want to integrate and the one who killed Theo Van Gogh also.
Because in Europe religion and state are separated and laws cant be motivated by religion.
 
Aaron85 said:
Democracy doesnt mean that everyone can do what he/she wants. And why it bothers me that immigrants dont want to integrate?
Because in France for example there are suburbs where police, taxis, and native French can't go.Those immigrants who didnt want to integrate burned thousands of cars, shops, and buildings some time ago in whole France.
Because In France there was many examples of immigrants who didnt want to integrate and who practiced their own traditions- for example man from Algeria beat his wife with a cable because she went to doctor who had to examine her body.
And guess what he said in court? He said that his tradition allows him to do
that !
Because in Germany most of turkish immigrants dont even bother to learn german language ! They have turkish newspapers, turkish tv, turkish radiostations, turkish shops.
Because some number of girls is killed every year in Holland, Germany and Sweden as a result of honour morders.
Because i still remember that during football match between France and Algeria in Paris, young French with arabic roots who lived ( and was born ) in France sung Algerian hymn, not the French one !
Because those who prepared and commited suicidal attacks (London,Madrit) also didn't want to integrate and the one who killed Theo Van Gogh also.
Because in Europe religion and state are separated and laws cant be motivated by religion.
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You took isolated events to support you view that immigrants should abandon their traditions and culture when they migrate to another country. You are completely ignoring the advantages of diversity. You have to expect diversity and differences if you believe in democracy and freedom.
There are many incidents in history where young people resorted to violent means to express their frustration and anger towards the government. Domestic violence is limited to certain culture or tradition. It happens everywhere.
Every culture has its negatives and positives. y does it bother if someone wants to sung Algerain hymn?
Those who carried out terrorist activities acted on their ignorance and corrupt political ideologies.
Actually European laws are motivated by religion to certain extent.

-SI-
 
1. It is unlawful for a Muslim man to look lustfully at a woman who is not his wife, regardless of who the woman is or how she is dressed. If a man deliberately does so, then he is sinning.

2. It is unlawful for a Muslim woman to present herself in any way with the deliberate intention of inciting the sexual desire of any man besides her husband. If she does so, then she is sinning.
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this is interesting....the first one especially coz men these days..and the second...well no comment!!!
 
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The matter of covering the face is something about which there is legitimate scholarly disagreement. The majority of scholars hold the view that it is not obligatory for the woman to cover her face, though many of these scholars consider it obligatory in cases where sexual temptation is feared. However, there are others who consider it obligatory for women in general, and they have evidence to support their opinion. Their view is to be respected. Likewise, a Muslim who holds either view on the matter has a right to do so and this also should be respected.

A Muslim who does not consider the face veil to be obligatory should not dismiss or belittle the needs of those who do. Likewise, a Muslim who advocates covering the face has no right to look down upon those who do not.
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MashaAllah. You get sisters from both sides being hostile about this issue. In these matters we should be lenient, considering there is big ikhtilaaf amongst the scholars.
 
Aaron85 said:
When western women come to Egypt or Pakistan , they dont walk on streets in very short mini skirts and short much reaviling t shirts.

Regards.
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peace

have you ever been egypt? because non muslims do so wear shorts and tank tops, bikinis by the beach etc. infact, even many egyptian youth are out and about in western clothing....same goes for tourists and some locals in places like dubai,lebanon etc
 

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