What would convince you to become Muslim?

[PRISONERofJOY12]

How does this physical protection help against a non-physical entity? In Islam, God has taught us special verses of the Qur'an and supplications (which I have mentioned before) that protect against Satan.

Peace.

it is not physical it is spiritual protection... you seen castle movies where people back then had shields? well they had leather on those shields that protects you against those flaming errows ( lies ) that satan tells you in your concience..
I will elaberate more on it later.

 

[azim]

no.. because satan is the evil of all things God created hell for satan and his angels ( demons ).. unlike God, satan cannot be every where.. unlike God, satan cannot give us his spirit... but it is demons who possess men...

In that case, the Christian idea of God seems VERY unfair to me.

1) God will allow people who sinned and never tried to make ammends into heaven if they believe in Jesus, whether they are a saint or a murderer/rapist they are equal.

2)People who do good and dont believe in Jesus, will go to hell, even though they might be able to 'resist' Satan better than Christians.

3)God couldn't forgive his creation, he needed a blood sacrifice.

4)God creates Satan, damns him to hell, but doesn't give him a chance to repent or to make ammends.

In Islam, Allah is called 'The most Just', and Allah is.

Moses asked Allah once, if Satan repented, would you accept it?

Allah replied Yes.

So Moses, asked Satan if he forgivness. Satan said Yes. So Moses asked Allah, what should Satan do to achieve forgivness. Allah replied 'Go to the grave of Adam, and bow before him, obeying my command like you had refused it before'. Moses told this news to Satan, but Satan replied 'I did not bow before when he was alive, I will not bow before now that he is dead'.

Jesus, too, once asked Allah, if Satan repented, would Allah accept?

Allah replied "Yes, but I already know he wont".

Freewill is important in Islam, and we will all be held accountable for our actions. As a Christian, it seems you like to believe in a God who will not hold you accountable. This is a sad thing. Allah will judge everyone, please, if you have a belief in God, then ask God to guide you to the path of the righteous whom will have heaven. You got nothing to lose.

 

[PRISONERofJOY12]

in Christianity.. God is called the all powerful, the all knowing, all justiful, and loving God.. which is what He wants in return not rules for you....

 

[Rabi'ya]

In that case, the Christian idea of God seems VERY unfair to me.

1) God will allow people who sinned and never tried to make ammends into heaven if they believe in Jesus, whether they are a saint or a murderer/rapist they are equal.

2)People who do good and dont believe in Jesus, will go to hell, even though they might be able to 'resist' Satan better than Christians.

3)God couldn't forgive his creation, he needed a blood sacrifice.

4)God creates Satan, damns him to hell, but doesn't give him a chance to repent or to make ammends.

In Islam, Allah is called 'The most Just', and Allah is.

Moses asked Allah once, if Satan repented, would you accept it?

Allah replied Yes.

So Moses, asked Satan if he forgivness. Satan said Yes. So Moses asked Allah, what should Satan do to achieve forgivness. Allah replied 'Go to the grave of Adam, and bow before him, obeying my command like you had refused it before'. Moses told this news to Satan, but Satan replied 'I did not bow before when he was alive, I will not bow before now that he is dead'.

Jesus, too, once asked Allah, if Satan repented, would Allah accept?

Allah replied "Yes, but I already know he wont".

Freewill is important in Islam, and we will all be held accountable for our actions. As a Christian, it seems you like to believe in a God who will not hold you accountable. This is a sad thing. Allah will judge everyone, please, if you have a belief in God, then ask God to guide you to the path of the righteous whom will have heaven. You got nothing to lose.

JazakAllah for a wonderful reply. you really opened my eyes. I did not know this. MashaAllah. Allah truly is the most just and reasonable. Who can deny it?

these are exactly the reasons why I became Muslim. Whenever you think that things cant be answered, suddenly Islam has the answer, alhamdulillah



Rabi'ya:rose:

 

[PRISONERofJOY12]

37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.

there is no law about following something... LOVE YOUR GOD is THE GREATEST COMMANDMENT... by stating that you need to do all the other things your stating that those things are above more important than anything...

I guess what Jesus did in the Bible forty days and forty nights it was because He was trying to convert satan.... ok never knew that...

 

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

Jesus says that our good works are necessary and meaningful (Matt. 5:16; John 10:24-25) while Paul says they are worthless and unnecessary (Eph. 2:8-9; Gal. 3:6-14).

Jesus exhorts his followers to strictly adhere to the laws and commandments (Mark 10:18-19; Matt. 19:17; Luke 18:20) while Paul calls the law and commandments a “curse” and “bondage” (Gal. 2:16, 3:11, 24; Rom. 2:13). (SOURCE)​

 

[*Hana*]

in Christianity.. God is called the all powerful, the all knowing, all justiful, and loving God.. which is what He wants in return not rules for you....

Salam and peace:

Ummmmm, actually, you do have rules in Christianity. It's called the Ten Commandments. :muddlehea

And, as a Christian that believes Jesus, pbuh, is on the same level as God, you break the very first one.

It's the confusion of the trinity, original sin and blood atonement that brought me to Islam. Alhamdulillah :smile:

Wasalam
Hana

 

[Rabi'ya]

Salam and peace:

Ummmmm, actually, you do have rules in Christianity. It's called the Ten Commandments. :muddlehea

And, as a Christian that believes Jesus, pbuh, is on the same level as God, you break the very first one.

It's the confusion of the trinity, original sin and blood atonement that brought me to Islam. Alhamdulillah :smile:

Wasalam
Hana

umm, what were forgetting tho is apparently the old testament was over ruled after jesus came - the commandments were revealed in the old testament laying:



Rabi'ya:rose:

 

[azim]

umm, what were forgetting tho is apparently the old testament was over ruled after jesus came - the commandments were revealed in the old testament laying:



Rabi'ya:rose:

But Jesus never overruled the Old Testament, he said: -

"Think not that I came to destroy the Law and the Prophets. I came not to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily, I say unto you that until Heaven and earth pass away not a jot or one tittle shall no wise pass from the Law, till all be fulfilled." Matthew 5:17-18

The law is the law of the Old Testament, outlined in Duetromony for the main part, including the 10 commandments.

It's only when St. Paul came that this changed, he said 'it is because of the law that I sin, if it were not for the law, I would not sin, so the law is dead to me and I am dead to the law'.

So Christians, if they followed Jesus, would have more rules to follow that Muslims.

 

[Rabi'ya]

oooh, i am just going by what PrisonerOf Joy said



Rabi'ya:rose:

 

[*Hana*]

Salam Alaikum

Yup, sis, brother Azim is correct. I really don't know why PrisonerofJoy would make such an odd comment actually. The commandments and teachings of the Prophets were not to be changed in any way, shape or form, and Jesus, pbuh, upheld them and that is clear in the bible. It was Paul that altered them....well, butchered them is more like it. lol

Wa'alaikum salam,
Hana

 

[Ghazi]

Salaam

Errors in Bible

Jesus is talking of signs that will happen before the end of the world to his disciples)
(Mat 24:29 NRSV) "Immediately after the suffering of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; *the stars will fall from heaven*, and the powers of heaven will be shaken.

(Mat 24:30 NRSV) Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see 'the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven' with power and great glory.

(Jesus now says to his disciples that their generation will not pass away before the end of the world)

(Mat 24:34 NRSV) Truly I tell you, *this generation will not pass away* until all these things have taken place.

(Their generation did pass away, but the world didn't end)

 

[yoshiyahu]

Re: to nonmuslims on the forum

what would convice u to become muslim??? tell us

Probably a supernatural experience of some sort. Like having a dream that I knew was from God, warning me to repent or something like that.

 

[*Hana*]

Salam Alaikum and Peace:

We have those warnings already, yoshiyahu. All you have to do is read the Qur'an to see them.

Peace eace:
Hana
:sister:

 

[azim]

Re: to nonmuslims on the forum

Probably a supernatural experience of some sort. Like having a dream that I knew was from God, warning me to repent or something like that.

The problem with that logic is that not just you should have a supernatural experience, but everyone else in the whole entire world as well, otherwise it wouldnt be fair. If every person in the whole entire world had a supernatural event, either it wouldnt be considered supernatural, or everyone would believe and there would be no point in life. If it's just you who should have that experience then, what makes you so important?

Also, if it was just you who had the dream, how do you know it wasnt simply some bad food? What defines a normal dream from a God-sent one?

Not an attack or anything, just I think thats not good logic to work by when considering if there is a god or not.

 

[muslimahsays_hi]

Good questions. Sometimes people need a face to pray to I guess, shirk isnt well defined in the bible, obviously the images of jesus pbuh proves that. I just have one question, if you are to stand before your Lord now, being Christian do you really think that will save you from the hell-fire? the Bible has so many contradictions, can you truly trust this theory with your soul? Is Gods' ego so small all he needs is someone to believe in him? Im not trying to bash the Christian faith, no of course not.. but on the day of Judgement, who do you think will save you... ?

 

[_salam_]

in Christianity.. God is called the all powerful, the all knowing, all justiful, and loving God.. which is what He wants in return not rules for you....

These things that your describing about God are exactly what we believe in Islam. However, I don't see how you could view God as being the Most Just when viewed through the idea that Jesus (pbuh) died for our sins. I mean if I do something wrong and somebody else is punished for my mistake, how is that fair to me or that other person. I would get away with my wrong doing (and according to what you're saying I would actually get rewarded with paradise) and somebody else who is perfectly sinless would get punished a horrible punishment. I don't see how that is fair....maybe you can explain

 

[yoshiyahu]

Salam Alaikum and Peace:

We have those warnings already, yoshiyahu. All you have to do is read the Qur'an to see them.

Peace eace:
Hana
:sister:

With all due respect, I've been told the same about the Tanach, New Testament, and other writings. While all of them (including the Qu'ran) have parts that I believe are correct - and incorrect, none convince me.

The problem with that logic is that not just you should have a supernatural experience, but everyone else in the whole entire world as well, otherwise it wouldnt be fair. If every person in the whole entire world had a supernatural event, either it wouldnt be considered supernatural, or everyone would believe and there would be no point in life. If it's just you who should have that experience then, what makes you so important?

I'm not saying it would be right or fair - it's just about the only thing that I could say would almost for sure convince me.

Also, if it was just you who had the dream, how do you know it wasnt simply some bad food? What defines a normal dream from a God-sent one?

Probably some foreknowledge or something. For example: The dream saying that on the next day such and such a thing would happen, and it does.

 

[*Hana*]

Salam and Peace Yoshiyahu:

I'm sure you could be told that by every faith, as every follower of every faith believes they are correct. However, personally, I have yet to find anything in the Qur'an that cannot be logically explained. Believe me, I tried. lol I spent a few years trying to defend my faith when I was a Christian.

So, what part(s) in particular do you have trouble believing? Inshallah, we can explain it or provide you with further information.

Wasalam,
Hana

 

[azim]

I'm not saying it would be right or fair - it's just about the only thing that I could say would almost for sure convince me.

Probably some foreknowledge or something. For example: The dream saying that on the next day such and such a thing would happen, and it does.

So logical or scientific evidence wouldnt convince you?

I guess it's different for every person, I don't think a dream would prove anything to me. It would be too temporary, for example, in a few weeks time, the dream may not be so clear in my mind and I may doubt it. I need something that would be as true today as it is tomorrow as it will be 100 years from now as is was 100 years ago.

Thus, I hold the Quran as my proof.

I don't know if you have ever read it, but it's an amazing book. Anything short of the Quran for me, would not really be proof.