What would convince you to become Muslim?

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Azim

I accept your apology. I'll answer you a little later about your point.
I've also been so rude sometimes that I was banned twice, once from the French oummah.com (which gave me the idea to go on English forums instead and greatly improve my English !) and once from ummah.com, to which I returned the same day under one of my spare aliases.
 
I've given my answer to your question about what convinced me to be a muslim. My question for you is; why are you arguing against islam? There are thousands of religions. Why is it that Islam is the religion you choose to debate against?
 
Sumay

Your question has already been asked to me on other forums.
I do not debate only against Islam but when need be I debate against the Catholic church, or against Christianity. No, I did not debate against Judaism or Hinduism yet.
This morning I posted on another Muslim forum against Mormonism which I consider a fraud.
What motivates me is the respect for truth. Not the many different truths that believers in religions have, but the truth of facts. When I see something I consider untrue I jump at it.
 
Azim

If you visit sites that deal with the existence of God you will realize how extremely complex the proofs are. The discussions rest on millenaries of philosophical and religious controversies. Nowadays science has added its weight in the debate.
Just have a look at the little example of Pascal's Wager.

One would expect from God that his proofs for his existence that he reveals to us outsmart the most complex human speculations by far.
It is exactly the contrary. In the Quran, the proofs of God are so simplistic that only a naive person could have conceived them.

Of course the night, the day, the ships, the rain, the cows, the beans, the dates, are proofs of God because everything has been created by God.
But in our 21st century the proofs of God are much more than what meets the eye. They are in astronomy, in physics, in genetics, in evolution. And all that is only at its beginning.

That is what I compared, between the simplistic proofs from nature given by the Quran, and the incredible discoveries from nature that we are only beginning to read in its open book.
 
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Of course the night, the day, the ships, the rain, the cows, the beans, the dates, are proofs of God because everything has been created by God.
But in our 21st century the proofs of God are much more than what meets the eye. They are in astronomy, in physics, in genetics, in evolution. And all that is only at its beginning.
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So...would you have liked the Quran to contain all of the 20th century knowledge as proof? The Quran is guidance for all of mankind, through all the ages. What good is genetics to a man living 1000 years ago?

Rather, the Quran guides us in what we need to know, how we need to act, and at the same time, guides us to the proof he exists.

You mentioned astromony and physics, I suppose you mean the complexities of creation of the universe, the balance and sheer design of everything from the smallest quarks to the biggest galaxies. Do you think, if this information was revealed 1400 years ago, anyone could understand them, let alone be convinced of a God through it?

Instead Allah, in his wisdom, reveals to us facts relating to creation, some of which I have posted. These facts are in perfect corrallation with science and modern knowledge, and some, you even admit you even admit you can't explain (smoke) and the others you attribute to similarities in knowledge with other eras. Yet, mathamatically, what is the probablities the Quran contains so many of these facts? So low to 0 it's not even worth mentioning.
That is what I compared, between the simplistic proofs from nature given by the Quran, and the incredible discoveries from nature that we are only beginning to read in its open book.
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You consider them simplistic because you take them at face value. Yet the knowledge the Quran guides you too is much greater, and much deeper.

Since your currently reading the Quran, I simply pray you will have the truth shown to you (whatever it may be).

Although, I sincerely ask you to read the Quran under the pretence it's from God, even if you don't believe it is. If you read the Quran with a notebook looking for something you can bring up in a debate - what good will it do?

If you have another topic to debate with me Mansio, feel free to bring it up. However I suggest in a new thread, 10 pages on we haven't really achieved much.

Peace.
 

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