What's the trouble?

[AbuAbdallah]

salaam,

Let me tell you very interesting real life example.

About 50 years ago, people used to criticize the hadeeth about the Prophet (SAW) where he told us to put the fly in the food if a part of it touches the food. The people just did not understand the wisdom behind this act, so they would criticize the hadeeth. Then they found out later that one wing of the fly is the poison while the other wing has the cure. And then everybody said mashallah the Prophet (SAW) had so much wisdom behind this.

 

[Umm Yoosuf]

A backward Muslims is the one who always looks backwards even when moving forwards like other people.

What is backwards though? I it not the Sahabah? And should we not be attaching ourseves to them? If you are talking about Technology then that is a different matter, theres is nothing wrong with the development of it. However, you are talking about Islam, then Islam is as it was 1400 years ago. It has not chnaged nor should we aim to move it forward, there is not such a thing.

If you want sucess in life, goodness for the hereafter then look back at how the sahabah practsied Islam.


Allah says in the Quran:

"And whoever contradicts and opposes the Messenger after the Right path has been shown clearly to him, and follows other than the believers’ way. We shall keep him in the path he has chosen, and burn him in Hell, what an evil destination."

An-Nisa’ :Verse 115

So ask yourself who are the believers Allah talks about in the Quran?

They are none other then the Sahabah. So surely every Muslim should look back at the time of sahabah, how they practised Islam and unerstood it, and follow them.

 

[FBI]

This whole tread has me

 

[Umar001]

As Salam Aleykum Wa Rhametullah,

With all due respect I think this thread is the most contradictory thread. If we had loads of fundamentalist, who follow the fundamentals of Islam then we'd have no problem, let me show an example;

By fundamentalist I mean the one who believes in just fundamentals of Islam. Fundamentalists use Islam to do nothing to the society but to make it dysfunctional only.

A fundamentalist of Islam would know the knowledge of the dunya, such as trading, economy stuff, and many other things outside knowledge of the deen might actually be a collective obligation where by if some of the community uphold thisn then it suffices on the rest. So learning stuff which will benefit the people is just the above having knowledge of manufactoring, things needed for daily life like cookin utensils and other such things is actually something most fundamentalist would agree with.

 

[Skillganon]

When we say history moves forward, then it's meant that mankind always moved forward in history. Those nations which got trapped in traditions and fundamentalism in the name of mazhab or deen or any other kind of spiritual ideology remained backward. Any society which fails to move forwards becomes stagnant and corrupt. That's why all those societies where the process of history is made to stop by turning it's face backwards to some old point in history develops nothing but corruption, poverty and illiteracy in its poeple.

Movement of history is natural like the movement of water. When the movement of water is stopped by trapping it in a pond, then it starts smelling bad and becomes unsuable and harmful. Similarly, those societies in which the movement of history is stopped by putting the society into the restrictions of religous fundamentalism, then that society also starts smelling bad and becomes useless and harmful.

You make certain presumption.
You equate Islam with backwardness.
The word backwardness is a vague word. If you mean technological advancement that is due to knowledge and means to apply it. It is all to clear that what we can achieve today we could not achieve 20 years ago or 40 years ago.
This is a delusion that one equate technological status of a country with practicing Islam, as in reality their is not such thing.

I propose that people who have left fundamental of Islam i.e. their deen, are backward. They have stopped thinking.
Moreso I believe that non-muslims countries are backward.
Evidence the are filled with ethical, social and moral backwardness. The women are in common, sexual promiscuity is all time high, drunkeness are all time high, theft and robbery are all time high. I can go on and on, I live in such country.
The only thing they have is worldy knowledge and technology, and this is achieved with time and education and not wether one follow Islam or not.

So before insulting everyone here with backwardness, following Islam with backwardness, Prophet Muhhamad(pbuh) with backwardness e.t.c it will be prudent of you to re-examine you certain ignorant presumption.

 

[iqbal_soofi]

As Salam Aleykum Wa Rhametullah,

With all due respect I think this thread is the most contradictory thread. If we had loads of fundamentalist, who follow the fundamentals of Islam then we'd have no problem, let me show an example;



A fundamentalist of Islam would know the knowledge of the dunya, such as trading, economy stuff, and many other things outside knowledge of the deen might actually be a collective obligation where by if some of the community uphold thisn then it suffices on the rest. So learning stuff which will benefit the people is just the above having knowledge of manufactoring, things needed for daily life like cookin utensils and other such things is actually something most fundamentalist would agree with.

This is only a theoratical statement that a fundamentalist should know the knowledge of duniya. Practically, they speak opposite of it when they say that this duniya is temporary and we should lean for the next world only. The religious scholars don't teach anything from Quran about the manufacturing and other imporatant responsiblities of day to day life.

With all due resepect I'd say that fundamentalist make most contradictory statments. They stand upside down and think that the whole world is going upside down.