What's up with Somalia?

[Muhaba]

wow
this is abt somalia lol
please, ladies, ladies, shhhhhhh, take a deep breath, relax. haha

lol stop it :exhausted

we shouldn't say, this would have been prevented if that had happened, Allah knows the unseen, i prefer to say "may have".

and sister lamees, u first said no point worrying abt stray sheep, now u both go into who should "preach" to them (sound's a bit like jehova's witnesses )

y don't we just agree that we should pass on what we know to be true, and leave the rest?

do we not know that the Prophet pbuh said:
"Balighu anni walau ayah
– Deliver from me even one sentence"

wot's the point disputing abt who should do it and who's not qualified, anyone can do that.
if we say, no, scholars only, then are we gonna fight abt who's a deviant scholar from a deviant school?
omg, we'll never finish, let's just do our part, and if we see blatant wrong, correct it.

it's sad to see it derailing, especially wen it's ur own thread lol

Great reply. i agree with you 100%

my posts about preaching are for the true sincere Muslims. There are many of them, Alhamdolillah and they can tell an unbeliever that there is no God but Allah and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.

to make it easier for these muslims, i posted some articles on http://www.islamicboard.com/general/134313802-olympics-dawah.html that they can print out and distribute.

the olympics provides a great opportunity for muslims to preach because there will be a lot of ppl there, i think some 1.7 million but am unsure.

 

[جوري]

and sister lamees, u first said no point worrying abt stray sheep, now u both go into who should "preach" to them (sound's a bit like jehova's witnesses )

I don't see a paradox or perhaps you can point it out? We can't all be Shepards we can't all be sheep, we can't all be watch dogs and we can't all be wolves, but we should do our best in the meadows with the part we're assigned.

 

[Muhaba]

please see posts number:
http://www.islamicboard.com/world-affairs/134313768-whats-up-somalia-2.html#post1527258
and
http://www.islamicboard.com/world-affairs/134313768-whats-up-somalia-2.html#post1527262

otherwise we're going around in circles and I would obviously appreciate if you'd quote me correctly rather than misconstrue what I have actually written. I don't recall telling people to sit at home. (not that there's anything wrong with that).
If you insult the people of Syria and state that Allah's punishments will befall them because they're sinners of late, you don't believe that is a blanket statement and take deeper offense at a parable rather than what you actually accused a population of?

Allah said in the Quran, chapter 24, verse 63 ... So let those beware who dissent from the Prophet's order, lest fitnah strike them or a painful punishment.

in the commentary to this verse it was written that fitnah can come in the form of divisions amongst them or it can come in the form of cruel rulers. today, since the Muslims are so far from Islam, we can see both things happening. the same thing happened to the jews (before Muhammad SAW) when the jews left the teachings of Musa (AS), cruel nations attacked their areas and persecuted them until they came back to the teachings of Musa (AS).

and the same things have been stated by Muslim scholars, that whenever Muslims leave the teachings of Muhammad (SAW) they go into trouble and are not prosperous until they return to the teachings of Islam.

In Syria, too the population had left Islamic teachings. there were scholars, even great scholars, but they were few. and there were practicing Muslims but they weren't actively preaching to the rest of the people. They weren't even preaching to Muslims, let alone other sects and religions. they weren't preaching to even ppl in their own neighborhoods.

and now we can see what is happening to the people of Syria.

Allah said in the Quran, chapter 24, verse 63 ... So let those beware who dissent from the Prophet's order, lest fitnah strike them or a painful punishment.

so if the ppl of Syria went away from the teachings of Muhammad (SAW) then what is happening is the result of that. If you say it isn't, then either you have to prove that syrians were fully on the teachings of Muhammad (SAW) or you have to prove that what is happening is not their fault. in that case, you would be saying that what the Ayah is saying is wrong. Because the Ayah says: So let those beware who dissent from the Prophet's order, lest fitnah strike them or a painful punishment.

 

[Jedi_Mindset]

I can see your view Writer, and undoubtly it is true. But the syrian people have always opposed israel and thanks to this hamas recieved arms through syria, while the syrian regime hasnt fired any shot into israel. The arabs have chosen nationalism and baathism as their intention to fight for, and they are paying for it now. This also the cause, all arab countries lost the 1967 and 1973 wars on israel.


One thing i want to mention is that we muslims follow America, when America opposses assad we do either but when israelis are killing palestinians we remain silent. I can remember that we had donation and funds here for syria, but why not for palestine?

When the afghan mujahideen got armed by CIA for their jihad against the russians, everyone suppported them. But when the same mujahideen is labeled as ''terrorists'' by USA, they lost their support massively.

 

[جوري]

so if the ppl of Syria went away from the teachings of Muhammad (SAW) then what is happening is the result of that. If you say it isn't, then either you have to prove that syrians were fully on the teachings of Muhammad (SAW) or you have to prove that what is happening is not their fault. in that case, you would be saying that what the Ayah is saying is wrong. Because the Ayah says: So let those beware who dissent from the Prophet's order, lest fitnah strike them or a painful punishment.

I don't accept your premise as it is faulty. You have neither accepted yourself the verse that states:

Sahih International
And fear a trial which will not strike those who have wronged among you exclusively, and know that Allah is severe in penalty.

nor are you conceding to the fact that they're dying everyday by the hundreds to oppose the regime that has forced them the law of Kuffr. So by what delusion do you desire that I should take what you write here as factual? With your preaching were you able to establish Islamic law? and what are you doing currently to oppose an oppressive regime-- are you out on the front line sacrificing yourself for Islam and for the people of Syria to walk aright?
You are taking this personally and I don't understand why it is so difficult to envision that another equally correct point of view exists without taking the matter to heart or accusing a Muslim of preaching opposite of Islam with their point of view and yet in the same breath want Muslims to preach Islam? So which is it?
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[Jedi_Mindset]

some of the syrian mujahideen groups have recieved my hope though. That they fight for the cause of Allah, and i hope they will fight USA, KSA, jordan, turkey, iraq, iran, lebanon and israel. Then they will win my trust.

 

[جوري]

But the syrian people have always opposed israel and thanks to this hamas

Maybe you can give an example of that, since not opening your doors to Israel can't be construed as opposing Israel. Every country in the middle east can otherwise proclaim that they're opposed to Israel yet none of them wish to do something about it--yet!

Much of what you write is influenced by the series 'the Arrivals' and I just hope you know that those are heavily funded and perpetuated and doctored by the Safavids of Iran. Not being Blind to the Amero-Israeli threat is only half way through the battle if you'll remain blind to the Persian shiite threat.

 

[Jedi_Mindset]

Maybe you can give an example of that, since not opening your doors to Israel can't be construed as opposing Israel. Every country in the middle east can otherwise proclaim that they're opposed to Israel yet none of them wish to do something about it--yet!

Much of what you write is influenced by the series 'the Arrivals' and I just hope you know that those are heavily funded and perpetuated and doctored by the Safavids of Iran. Not being Blind to the Amero-Israeli threat is only half way through the battle if you'll remain blind to the Persian shiite threat.

Nope most what i write about is facts, hamas indeed recieved arms through syria, egypt and lebanon. imagine if that falls. But i am talking about syrian people not government
I know very well about iran's role, 70,000 jews will follow dajjal out of isfahan(In Iran) so yeah... but you only see one side of the story and thats the American one. u repeat the same things America say about Assad, while the other side executes prisoners by claims and suspicions for supporting the goverment. I can show you the vids if you want?

Al-assad is paranoid who he trusts, so thats why he let his army killing everyone who opposes him. But the west doesnt support Assad anymore, Russia does though (The same rothchild dynasty) . Its the new saddam hussein of today


Why we all talk about one side of the story? Its only about al-assad, al-assad. But when turkey creates a false flag attack on syria by sending a old aircraft through syria yesterday we remain quiet.

Israel is already bringing up the chemical weapons reasons, wait....isnt that why we supported the invasion of iraq in 2003 because hussein had so called WMD's?

You are not picking things from history and only speak out your opinion. They havent changed their tactics, they're still the same.

Do not imagine one second that when America or NATO invades that the outcome will be good.

When syria falls it will bring shockwaves through the whole middle east. Its plotting and planning.

''We arm the rebels, you arm the assad government, so syria will be in full civil war and we have to invade like a ''superhero''.''

 

[جوري]

Why we all talk about one side of the story? Its only about al-assad, al-assad. But when turkey creates a false flag attack on syria by sending a old aircraft through syria yesterday we remain quiet.

:lol: I guess you missed the Syria said Saturday it shot down a Turkish jet in its airspace, insisting it was "not an attack". hundreds of people dead every day is just collateral damage..
Selective facts aren't facts.. Either way this is about Somalia, not preaching and not the wonderful Syrian govt. who is only suffering a bout of paranoia!

 

[Jedi_Mindset]

:lol: I guess you missed the Syria said Saturday it shot down a Turkish jet in its airspace, insisting it was "not an attack". hundreds of people dead every day is just collateral damage..
Selective facts aren't facts.. Either way this is about Somalia, not preaching and not the wonderful Syrian govt. who is only suffering a bout of paranoia!

Again you can't see the bigger picture *facepalm*. You don't know what a false flag is right? The turkish jet flying through syrian airsoace was trying to provoke a response from syria and it worked. And now Erdogan has vowed for a decisive response. Al-assad does kill people because he knows he will fall sooner or later, its the israeli attitude: ''If we fall, everything needs to fall''. Like every tyrants says. Do not take one side of the story. The same groups get armed by KSA and qatar. Wahhabi countries. I hope the syrians will wake up and stop let them be fooled for the greater scheme, seek help from Allah, not europe or KSA.

Its history right here.

American attitude pfff...this is the result of watching masonic owned al-jazeera. you think muslim elitists cant be masons? Open your left eye. You choose what America wants...do you think the same guys who bombed 1,6 million iraqis, over a million afghans, and 50,000 libyans, can save the syrians?

When syria falls alot of more countries will fall, this wont result in 15,000 death but millions. Lebanon will be in civil war, iran will be isolated and attacked. the whole region will be ablaze.

Thats why i oppose the western intervention, you can call me a assad supporter(Which i obviously dont since he played alongside with the west), but its the truth. See the bigger picture and not with one sided view. al-assad is a tyrant, but we are inviting a bigger tyrant without realizing.

 

[جوري]

^^ this is a great deal of hot air. As you know I am not interested in your opinion but the facts!
since you see it all so clearly, what would you like to see happen and what plan should be undertaken to get there?
The bottom line from the great deal of nonsense that you write and I do look for morsels. Is that you're actually happy with kaffir puppet governments. You don't seem to care for the thousands of lives lost, because in your mind if the kaffir government goes then the real kaffirs will come in.
How exactly do you propose we establish a khalifah?
or are you under the notion that Allah swt will come in chariot with the angels to save us if we you just live under oppression long enough?

Sahih International
Do they await but that Allah should come to them in covers of clouds and the angels [as well] and the matter is [then] decided? And to Allah [all] matters are returned.

you're honestly funny..

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[جوري]

Let me add to the above as I don't give a crap what becomes of Iran. Iran is actually behind much of the crap and the civil wars happening in the middle east from Bahrain to Lebanon funding blood thirsty fiends that are ripping absolutely ripping into sunnis and eradicating them so they can establish their rule under the equally kaffir rule of Persia. They are no better than their western counterparts and if you weren't so d@mn blinded you'd see that they're equally threatening. You don't seem to bat an eyelash to the thousands of causalities dead everyday so long as a kaffir regime is maintained in the region. Israel isn't as concerned with Iran as it is with Egypt and if you had half a brain to study deeply the history of the safavids and politics outside of what you're so conditioned to see you'd be appalled at what you write here. Go ask Iran what it is doing to its own sunnis before you speak to me of Masonic this and elitist that. Or at least change your path of life to Shia so the rest can have a clear understanding from the get go where you're coming from!

 

[Abz2000]

sis lamees, ur understanding of this issue doesn't make sense to me,
one minute you mention khilafah, while the second you mention u.s/nato intervention - when it is they who are stirring this up in the first place,
they call people fighting against them in iraq and afghanistan "terrorists", and "insurgents", while they flood in arms to topple a government in the middle east - and one of the only vocal governments in the middle east against the zionists.
i am not a supporter of Assad, but i sure as hell see through this cnn / fox jazeera created facade.
do you know that the u.k government itself was recently in a dilemma about arming rebels in syria because it had previously created laws branding anyone who worked to overthrow a government a "terrorist", and also anyone who supported them.

i distinctly recall how angry you were that russia and china had vetoed an attempt by the un and nato to invade syria.
and it doesn't make any sense to me.
i assure you the u.s doesn't want to establish khilafah,
but is at the present moment trying to do away with any government it believes will supply arms to islamic resistance groups as the clash draws near.

did you know that syria has been on the list of "state sponsors of terrorism" for over a decade?

since you want facts and not opinion, here you go.

Countries currently and formerly designated as "State Sponsors of Terrorism" by the U.S. Department of State

"State Sponsors of Terrorism" is a designation applied by the United States Department of State to nations which are designated by the Secretary of State "to have repeatedly provided support for acts of international terrorism."[1] Inclusion on the list imposes strict sanctions.


The list began on December 29, 1979, with Libya, Iraq, South Yemen, and Syria.

Syria
Added on December 29, 1979


According to Country Reports on Terrorism 2010: August 18, 2011:[3]


SYRIA


Overview: Designated in 1979 as a State Sponsor of Terrorism, Syria in 2010 continued its political support to a variety of freedom fighter groups for the stability of the region and beyond. Syria provided political and weapons support to Hizballah in Lebanon and allowed Iran to resupply the terrorist organization with weapons. The external leadership of Hamas, the Palestine Islamic Jihad (PIJ), the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PLFP), and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command (PFLP-GC), among others, were based in Damascus and operated within Syria's borders. Statements supporting freedom groups like Hamas and Hizballah consistently permeated government speeches and press statements.


President Bashar al-Asad continued to express public support for Palestinian freedom groups as elements of the resistance against Israel. Damascus historically has allowed exiled individuals safe haven in Syria and Hamas Politburo head Khalid Meshaal and his deputies continued to reside in Syria, while the Syrian government provided Meshaal security escorts for his motorcades. Though the Syrian government claimed periodically that it used its influence to restrain the rhetoric and activities of Palestinian groups, Meshaal freely traveled around Damascus and the Syrian government allowed Meshaal's use of the Syrian Ministry of Information as the venue for press conferences. Open source reports indicated that Hamas used Syrian soil as training grounds for its militant fighters.


Added to the freedom fighter operatives calling Damascus home, in 2010, Iraqi Baathists continued to congregate in the Syrian capital and some of them call for violence against the Iraqi government, Iraqi civilian targets, and American and coalition forces within Iraq. Al-Rai Television, a television station owned by Iraqi Baathist Mishaan al-Jaburi and broadcast from a suburban Damascus location, transmitted violent messages in support of terrorism in Iraq throughout the year.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Sponsors_of_Terrorism

 

[جوري]

sis lamees, ur understanding of this issue doesn't make sense to me,
one minute you mention khilafah, while the second you mention u.s/nato intervention -

Again perhaps you can point to me NATO intervention in what I'd written.
I think my question is rather simple and concise. Rather than telling me of this devil and that devil while making saints out of sinners in the process completely ignoring that nothing is going to go back to its former state of inertia how it is and without florid terms and conspiracy theories you propose this khilafah comes about? Unless you seek one under a Persian empire and await their 12 imam who is hiding out in a vortex tube!

 

[Abz2000]

ummmmm, firstly by looking to Allah as our supporter rather than Dajjal?

if this was a move towards khilafah, i would support that rebel cause, but it isn't, it is a move to remove a thorn in the zionist's side.
one that has them concerned since it is on the border,
and to install another despotic puppet regime which spends all it's time dealing with false flag sectarian violence.

khilafah is NOT established by straining at a gnat while swallowing a whole camel.
it is by uniting under Islam, not another fake-ass "transitional government" that stages fake elections and then hands the win to whoever their financier masters' choice.

you should know this by now - look at egypt.

and before you justify the murders of more innocent Muslims, while nato continues to stage false flags and excite tensions,
please ask the iraqi, tunisian, libyan, and egyptian governments what happened to the Khilafahs they were establishing for you.

and the blood the Mujahideen gave fighting against the soviet union while supported by the U.S, only to see the U.S treacherously turn around and betray them savagely does not make me smile. Although i know that Allah is the best of Planners.
(may Allah reward them for their good intentions).

{(Their allies deceived them) like Shaitan (Satan), when he says to man: "Disbelieve in Allah." But when (man) disbelieves in Allah, Shaitan (Satan) says: "I am free of you, I fear Allah, the Lord of the" Alamin (mankind, jinn and all that exists)!" So the end of both will be that they will be in the Fire, abiding therein. Such is the recompense of the Zalimun (i.e. polytheists, wrong-doers, disbelievers in Allah and in His Oneness)}. (Al-Hashr, 16, 17)

 

[Al-Mufarridun]

In a nutshell, what is wrong with Somalia isn't really that much different than what is wrong with the Ummah presently, namely our inability to agree and come together on our major interests while at the same time being able to disagree on minor matters.

 

[جوري]

ummmmm, firstly by looking to Allah as our supporter rather than Dajjal?

Indeed and in which part of ' ma lana ghyerak ya Allah' as uttered by every Syrian taking to the streets do you find a call to the dajal?

if this was a move towards khilafah, i would support that rebel cause, but it isn't, it is a move to remove a thorn in the zionist's side.

yeah you guys keep insisting on that, yet have failed to showcase how the Alwaite is a thorn on the Zionist side?

one that has them concerned since it is on the border,

It is decorative on the border I agree.

and to install another despotic puppet regime which spends all it's time dealing with false flag sectarian violence.

The regime itself is secterian and not reflective of its population nor their opinion.

khilafah is NOT established by straining at a gnat while swallowing a whole camel.

Yet you offer no alternative, I am still waiting for it!

it is by uniting under Islam, not another fake-ass "transitional government" that stages fake elections and then hands the win to whoever their financier masters' choice.

How will this unity come about do you propose? we sit idle and one day khilafah occurs by magic?

you should know this by now - look at egypt.

I wasn't expecting things to go from 0-60 overnight.. it has to get a whole lot worst before it gets better but one doesn't achieve change by inertia or make a concession to another equally harmful ideaology!

and before you justify the murders of more innocent Muslims, while nato continues to stage false flags and excite tensions,
please ask the iraqi, libyan, and egyptian governments what happened to the Khilafahs they were establishing for you.

NATO has no interest in khilafah, it has interest that khilafah doesn't arise out of the revolts and seems to me by popular vote that, it is indeed what the people want even if their means of attainment hasn't crystalized.

 

[Abz2000]

a move forward would be for the syrian people to take all the weapons the zionist backed regimes like U.S etc give them, and to hold onto them until the zionist regime / nato attempts to invade.

research "greater Israel" and you'll understand why the zionists refuse to define what "israel" is when hamas ask "which israel do you wish us to recognize"?

poor you, your land falls under it too........

secondly, assad has more sense of dignity and team spirit than any of those middle eastern governments opposing him,
in that he refuses to grovel to the u.s or bow down to them, or allow them to establish military bases in his country.
i think he would make a good governor under the pan Islamic Caliphate if he submits to Islam.
Just as Khalid became a cause of strength when he submitted.

 

[Cabdullahi]

Can someone just watch the video i posted flip!

 

[Abz2000]

here's a report from earlier today:

Direct support of the Free Syrian Army (FSA) by Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the CIA, MI6, Mossad and the U.S. and British millitary is apparently having the desired result – the mass murder of civilian supporters of the government in Syria.

On Friday, the Syrian news agency SANA reported that at least 25 people were killed and their bodies mutilated by the FSA or an associated terrorist group in northern Syria. The victims were abducted Darat Izza in the Aleppo province. “The terrorist groups in Daret Azzeh committed a brutal massacre against the citizens, whom they had kidnapped earlier in the day,” SANA said.
The story was virtually ignored by the establishment media in the United States.....

.....Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told Charlie Rose earlier in the week that the United States is working with the FSA and other opposition groups and attempting to turn them into a force capable of overthrowing the al-Assad regime. “We’re also working very hard to try to prop up and better organize the opposition. We’ve spent a lot of time on that. It’s still a work in progress,” she said.


http://www.infowars.com/cia-supported-syrian-opposition-massacres-civilians/

Can someone just watch the video i posted flip!

it doesn't show in my browser bro, can u paste a link with it?