What's with the sudden outbreak of Jesus Visions?

Jazzy said:
It's been mentioned many times on the forum, that Isa(as), or Jesus, didn't die.

Peace
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Greetings, Jazzy

But Skye just wrote that Jesus did die ... :?
Skye Ephémérine said:
He ascended (not crucified) to return, fulfil his prophecies have a wife and die like men do!
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Or does that mean that Islam teaches he will have a wife and die when he returns in the future??

(Why am I having such trouble understanding? :-[)
 
Hey Glo,

Im pretty sure she said he didn't die.

Jesus PBUH isn't dead according to Islam.. other than that I am not sure what you are talking about? I suspect you didn't read or didn't understand the story!
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glo said:
Or does that mean that Islam teaches he will have a wife and die when he returns in the future??

(Why am I having such trouble understanding? :-[)
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Yes you got it now.
 
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glo said:
I see you are in agreement with barney then. Must be a first! :D
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I'd have fainted myself, but i dont totally discount visions as PA does.
To be honest I dont see why she should. God being all powerful could create a waking vision if she/it/he so chose.
I just work on the assumtion, that a loving benificent God would, y'know...talk a little more to people, interact a little. :)

Still yeah, very close to agreeing with her, and that is the cue for me to take MY pills.
 
glo said:
According to Islam he never died? (How come I have spent so long in an Islamic forum, and haven't come across this yet ... :?)
Edit: Sorry, our posts are crossing now. I have read your second post with regards to this now. Thank you! :)
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I know it was a conundrum to me too, how you can spend this much time in here and not have come across this basic fundamental tenet of Islam?


Yes, that's where a dream is different from a vision ...
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Visions come in form of dreams, I don't believe they do in any other form..

At least I feel I have an answer to my question.
Thank you :)
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:)

I see you are in agreement with barney then. Must be a first! :D
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Actually, the more I think about it the more it doesn't make sense that according to Islam God should allow visions ... after all, images of God and his prophets are fobidden. (Am I right in thinking so? Everything I have ever learned about Islam seems to escape me lately ...)
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Images that are drawn by men to depict creation are a completely different animal from what Allah swt allows his worshippers to know in their dreams don't you think? I know the subject of dreams has been discussed more than once in this forum.. it is in the selection of what one chooses to read and chooses to believe!

Can I ask why you are not asleep, dear sister? :)

Peace
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I believe I went to sleep right after my last night's post...

cheers
 
glo said:
Greetings, Jazzy

But Skye just wrote that Jesus did die ... :?

Or does that mean that Islam teaches he will have a wife and die when he returns in the future??

(Why am I having such trouble understanding? :-[)
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Dear Glo.. I know I am a foreigner and English isn't my first nor even my second language, but I believe you are intentionally misconstruing my posts?

I said Jesus P didn't die, he ascended, to come back during the end of time, personally I am not sure how Jesus who is dead or died will come back in accordance to christianity? will he be born again to some other mother of God? will he come back as a Beligian? whatever the case, in Islam ALL men die, and thus Jesus' second return, he will descend fulfill his prophecies, get married, establish peace for 70 years, I know according to christianity it is 1000 or whatever in Islam for 70, we don't know if it is 70 minus his actual age, or 70 plus his age when he first ascended.. and then he will die, as all men do.. as in he will die after his descent to earth..

I hope this time I was clear?
my humble apologies otherwise

cheers
 
aamirsaab said:
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If you've heard about it on the internet, it's probably nothing more than horsecrap.
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I can't believe that nobody else thought to say that...

I've had several dreams in which I saw somebody who was pretending to be the Prophet (peace be upon him) in some way. In one I saw a painting or some kind of drama in which he was shown as a rich man in purple and black robes, which is an incorrect description according the hadith. In another he was dressed as I expected the Prophet (peace be upon him) to be, but he just looked like a normal person with no nur or anything, and I knew that it was just somebody acting.
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barney said:
How did you know he was claiming to be the prophet?
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I just did. It was part of the dream. Its like when you dream that you are at home, and you know where you are despite the fact that everything looks completely different. In the same way also saw through the disguise/costume.

the rest of the dreams weren't very enlightening. It was just one of those weird dreams, like the one I had about fighting off an army of German stormtroopers that were driving JCBs.
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Yeah, i know what you mean now. I have that too.

As to the second dream, i'd lay off the Call Of Duty2 X Box games for a few days! :D
 
barney said:
Yeah, i know what you mean now. I have that too.

As to the second dream, i'd lay off the Call Of Duty2 X Box games for a few days! :D
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How do you know my gaming habits? That's exactly what I was playing the night before I had that dream! :D
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Skye Ephémérine said:
Dear Glo.. I know I am a foreigner and English isn't my first nor even my second language, but I believe you are intentionally misconstruing my posts?
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I promise you that that is not the case, dearest Skye.
Please remember that English is not my mother tongue either ... :)

I hope this time I was clear?
my humble apologies otherwise
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I believe so. Thank you for your patience. :)
 
glo said:
In my experience though, most people do not claim to have had such experiences.
More often it is something they hear or read ... and something just 'clicks into place'. That experience, I believe, is quite common when you read people conversion stories (This applies to converts to all religions, not just Christians ones. Just look at reversion stories here in LI.)
It is describes as 'the scales falling from ones eyes' or 'suddenly seeing the light' or just 'suddenly having a sense of truth/peace/calm'.

Whatever it is that causes such a thing, most converts will be sure that it was g/God(s) who caused it (- except for converts to atheism, who will claim it was their own intellect).
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You could have pulled this from my reversion story, and you are right that I did not have a "vision" that drove my reversion. Yes, I believe that the change in belief about Truth and falsehood comes but from God.
 
glo said:
Or does that mean that Islam teaches he will have a wife and die when he returns in the future??
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I believe that we are in agreement that, according to Islam, Jesus has not yet died, but rather that he was protected from crucifixion and was raised to Heaven to return near the end of time.

Quran 4:157-158 They even say: "We have killed the Messiah, Isa (Jesus), son of Maryam, the Rasool of Allah." Whereas in fact, neither did they kill him nor did they crucify him but they thought they did because the matter was made dubious for them. Those who differ therein are only in doubt. They have no real knowledge, they follow nothing but merely a conjecture, certainly they did not kill him (Jesus). Nay! The fact is that Allah took him up to Himself. Allah is Mighty, Wise.
 
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