When and how did you give up Music?

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NJUSA said:
Sorry, Ahmed, but you are just not my Lord. You have got your opinions, and you are more than welcome to them, but I am not required to follow your opinions. Neither is anyone else. People may choose to agree with you, but no one shall answer to you on the Last Day. If you believe that you are receiving revelation from God, I hope that works well for you, but I am not convinced that you are divine, or a prophet.
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I hate to join this discussion but with a statement like that sister, its hard to let go. Perhaps you missed the brothers post, its not his opinion nor has he elivated himself to be 'Lord' nor has he even said that he was a prophet. He gave you daleel (evidence), don't result to ad hominem attack, it makes one sound very childish. If you want to disagree feel free and provide evidence, if refuted take it, don't sulk because it doesn't quite fit ones ideology of what Islam is all about.

Note to everyone:Keep this thread clean guys, no attacks, no insults...you get the drill.
 
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Ähmed said:
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Islam does forbid music, I was using that as another reason to justify why Music is forbidden.

You say that there is some good in it, and I wont disagree, there may be some small portion that is good, but the evils of it are greater than its good. Gambling and Alcohol are forbidden on the same basis:

By analogy, Music falls under the same categorization as the above.

Qawaalli is, simply put an innovation which people think brings them closer to Allah - The Prophet didnt do it, the Companions didnt do it, nor did any of the Pious Predeccasors.

Please read this regarding Music:

http://www.islamicboard.com/islamic-sources/20238-music-singing-light-quran-sunnah.html

Again ill restate that music is without a shadow of a doubt forbidden in this religion, one of the many reasons is mentioned in my previous posts: Again refer to this:

http://www.islamicboard.com/islamic-sources/20238-music-singing-light-quran-sunnah.html
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i am aware that all the moderators, as well as a lot of members of this forum believe that it is forbidden. and i also know good muslims who feel differently about it. but i guess it is up to each individual to decide for himself.
i will say that i think a person should take responsibility for what he puts in his ears - personally, i don't consume main stream culture at all because i also think "the evil outways the good".
of course the prophet didn't do qawwali! it didn't exist then. i know it brings me closer to god and that's good enough for me.
 
i am aware that all the moderators, as well as a lot of members of this forum believe that it is forbidden. and i also know good muslims who feel differently about it. but i guess it is up to each individual to decide for himself.
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I don't know wheter you should judge someones choices by the criteria of him being good. I can imagen good people doing things they shouldn't. At the same time bad peopel can do good things. Life isn't that black-and-white. There are indeed many muslims who listen to music and who see no harm in that. However as muslims we are not to implement rules by our personal preferance or by our personal judgement of what is good and bad. We are to follow the guidelines of our religion and try and seek source (verse of Qur'an or hadeeth of the prophet) to determine what is accepted and not.

i will say that i think a person should take responsibility for what he puts in his ears - personally, i don't consume main stream culture at all because i also think "the evil outways the good".
of course the prophet didn't do qawwali! it didn't exist then.
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I thikn our points of views aer then quite close to eachother.

i know it brings me closer to god and that's good enough for me.
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Fair enough. However I am curious about this. Could you elaborate on that? What kind of music has this effect on you? Why do you reckon it has? Do you sometimes think it's dangerous to rely on music (=entertainement) to guide your religious awareness? Do you think this will eventually develop into soemthing else? Does this influence your actions throughout the day?
 
NJUSA said:
Sorry, Ahmed, but you are just not my Lord. You have got your opinions, and you are more than welcome to them, but I am not required to follow your opinions. Neither is anyone else. People may choose to agree with you, but no one shall answer to you on the Last Day. If you believe that you are receiving revelation from God, I hope that works well for you, but I am not convinced that you are divine, or a prophet.
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Can you please point out to me where I said any of the above? You are incapable of defending your position and you jump to attack the one who showed you something contrary to what your desires wanted to see.

I just showed you the proper Islamic stance on Music - taken from the QUran and the Sunnah. Im sorry if that is a cause of anger for you, perhaps its best if you find out where your getting your information about Islam from.
 
Interesting! Never thought music is so deadly to human beings! I have always thought music to be the most beautiful gift bestowed by the Allah on the mankind. Surely, all those naats sung by Sufi saints in praise of Allah can not be the work of satan!

I can understand someone personally having a dislike for music, but to call it Un-Islamic is certainly not correct!

Bandoo
 
You have attempted to dictate to me what the "Islamic" view is on music. That is a divine prerogative. You assume that you know what I know- something that only God and I know. I know where I'm getting my Islamic information from, would you like a bibliography?
And I'm not angry, I'm just disgusted that people pass off this garbage as Islam lately.
 
NJUSA said:
You have attempted to dictate to me what the "Islamic" view is on music. That is a divine prerogative. You assume that you know what I know- something that only God and I know. I know where I'm getting my Islamic information from, would you like a bibliography?
And I'm not angry, I'm just disgusted that people pass off this garbage as Islam lately.
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I showed you the Quranic and the Sunnah's perpsective on Music. Im sorry if you assume that I said that from myself. I'm sorry too, if you dont accept the Quran and the Sunnah as enough Daleel.

Your attacks on me mean nothing, simply beacuse they are untrue. That is the last resort of those who are incapable of maintaining their position in a discussion.

May Allah guide us all.

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Er, when did I make an attack on you, just because I don't follow your opinions, but instead turn to the Qur'an, and then the Sunnah, then the jurisitic tradition?
 
NJUSA said:
Er, when did I make an attack on you, just because I don't follow your opinions, but instead turn to the Qur'an, and then the Sunnah, then the jurisitic tradition?
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Traditions are what are you doing, Ähmed was clear with you to show you from Quran and sunnah, and in addition to that, all our great scholars said it's haram with many prooves, I add sthg else if you want and if you understand in fekh, all the 4 medhhabs are agreed that music is haram.
Anyways it's better for you to admit it's haram, and to say that you cannot stop it, then we will dua for you insheAllah and with your try and Allah's help, you'll be able to leave it another day insheAllah, but if you try to make it halal, I warn you it's really dangerous and you cannot support its results another day.
 
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Oh my word, I haven't seen such claptrap since I was an adolescent.
 
NJUSA said:
Oh my word, I haven't seen such claptrap since I was an adolescent.
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U really answer quickly, use your mind, I gave you 2 links full of true prooves, and you replied my msg in less than one minute
 
I can say music is halal, and listen to it and enjoy myself, but I wont, I fear Allah and I'll not gain anything to make others stopping music if it's not haram
 
Mar1 said:
U really answer quickly, use your mind, I gave you 2 links full of true prooves, and you replied my msg in less than one minute
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Because I've come across both several times before. Now excuse me, I have to go erase the memory of that nonsense with Qur'an.
 
Alpha Dude said:
I'm sorry but bro Mar did no such thing, he merely pointed out that music is Haraam as proven from the Quran and Sunnah - not his own views. There is no need to resort to semi-ad hominem attacks.
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And there is no need to abuse Latin, and the tradition of Islamic scholarship.
Wa asalaamu alaikum.
 
Ahmed, Mar, and Alpha Dude:
You three apparently belong to a sect that I do not wish to join. Feel free to express your view of faith, but don't force me to espouse your views. I'm a Muslim, simple as that. I don't owe allegiance to any but God, and will not allow any to come between me and my Lord. For those of you who may be interested, I do plan to present a synthesis of opinions and arguments in favor of music- real research, not Sheikh Google.
Asalaamu alaikum.
 
NJUSA said:
And there is no need to abuse Latin, and the tradition of Islamic scholarship.
Wa asalaamu alaikum.
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Wa aleikom assalam
really no need to abuse latin with what you say, but it's helpful to translate arabic to muslims that cannot speak it till ther moment.
Islam is far from being a tradition, if you see well, you will find many of traditions never existed in Islam (I mean the time of the prophet's Islam):
-music
-hard way to get married
-many weird things done as religious, having no relation with our religion
-...
 
Boys and Girls may i remind you that this isn't the football pitch, keep your personal vendetta to yourselves. Issues such as this require daleel, if you are going to provide one then woopy doo, if not, don't join in the discussion. Especially if all your contribution consists attacking someone.



Consider, may Allah have mercy on you, the admonition and the lesson contained in what Ibn Abee Haatim ar-Raazee narrates, he said: I entered into damscus upon the students of ahadeeth and i passed by the circle of Qaasim al-joo'ee. I found a group sitting around him and he was speaking. Their appearance ance amazed me and i heard him saying: 'Seize the benefit of five things from the people of your time:When you are present you are not known; when you are absent you are not missed; when you are seen your advice is not sought; when you say something your saying is not accepted; and when you have some knowledge you are notgiven anything for it.I also advice you with five things: when you are treated unjustly then doo not behave unjustly; when you are praised then do not become happy; when you are criticised do not be upset; when you are not believed do not become angry; and if they act deceitfully towards you do not act deceitfully towards them.' Ib Abee Haatim said. So i took that as my benefit from Damascus

Take the above words seriously brothers and sisters.

If this thread does not improve it will be closed, simple as.

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