When and how did you give up Music?

[NJUSA]

Boys and Girls may i remind you that this isn't the football pitch, keep your personal vendetta to yourselves. Issues such as this require daleel, if you are going to provide one then woopy doo, if not, don't join in the discussion. Especially if all your contribution consists attacking someone.



Consider, may Allah have mercy on you, the admonition and the lesson contained in what Ibn Abee Haatim ar-Raazee narrates, he said: I entered into damscus upon the students of ahadeeth and i passed by the circle of Qaasim al-joo'ee. I found a group sitting around him and he was speaking. Their appearance ance amazed me and i heard him saying: 'Seize the benefit of five things from the people of your time:When you are present you are not known; when you are absent you are not missed; when you are seen your advice is not sought; when you say something your saying is not accepted; and when you have some knowledge you are notgiven anything for it.I also advice you with five things: when you are treated unjustly then doo not behave unjustly; when you are praised then do not become happy; when you are criticised do not be upset; when you are not believed do not become angry; and if they act deceitfully towards you do not act deceitfully towards them.' Ib Abee Haatim said. So i took that as my benefit from Damascus

Take the above words seriously brothers and sisters.

If this thread does not improve it will be closed, simple as.

:wasalamex

Can I get this quote in the original Arabic? In English, the syntax got garbled.
Thank you.

 

[Mar1]

... will not allow any to come between me and my Lord.

but you just let music come between you and owr lord, never take an innocent try from muslims to advice like that, if you'r convinced it's ok, if not may Allah help the mistaken from us to find the true path.

... For those of you who may be interested, I do plan to present a synthesis of opinions and arguments in favor of music- real research, not Sheikh Google.

hopefully I asked you to verify the sources, we are sure from them Alhamdulilleh in real life too, Internet is a modern way to share informations, no more, I can give you too links of some "scholars" allowung music, but I said my opinion about such "scholars" having opinions against Quran and sunnah and real scholars.

 

[NJUSA]

Mar1:
I gave my salaam to you, please take it. Perhaps it will take the second time 'round:
Asalaamu alaikum.

 

[Mar1]

Wa aleikom assalam :S really sorry

 

[Mar1]

My advice: Stay in the fight, do not give up - I realise it may be hard but that is your test..

Yes, please don't leave us because we have different opinions, after all we are muslims, I will never attack you insheAllah or let someone attack you

 

[NJUSA]

I'm sorry to put you on the spot light, but since you keep asserting that music is halal you leave me no other option...

This is one of you earlier posts on why you, to this day, indulge in music:



Source: http://www.islamicboard.com/310234-post25.html

Judging by what you have said here it is perhaps, and forgive me if I'm wrong, entirely reasonable for me to assume that you "gave up" the struggle to follow Allah's command simply because you found it too hard.

What you ought to realise is that this world is a test, this is a basic key concept that you must at all costs embed into your thought process.

The fact that at first you attempted to stop practicing music was a positive step towards acting according to Allahs will and the fact also that you found it difficult is an entirely natural feeling. But it is a shame that you gave up the fight, this is one of the things that you are being tested by - you should continue the struggle. You have placed yourself into a worse situation by giving into your desires and attempting to justify it in any way possible.

My advice: Stay in the fight, do not give up - I realise it may be hard but that is your test.

BTW: Please do not misconstrue this as an attack against you sis Njusa, just my words out of concern, also sis Silver Pearl I know I have no daleel etc in this post but I feel I must get this message across to Njusa.

You are wrong. Are you saying that I should have committed suicide instead of being a musician? Are you saying that I should have compromised tawhid by making patriarchy my religion besides Islam?
My advice: Stop playing God. The music of the universe, the human body, and of human invention are here for a reason. If you have a problem, take it up with God.
My next response will be an actual work of scholarship, unlike what's been posted here.

 

[Mar1]

Astaghfirullah, you are saying anything, do you now drinking is haram right? if you try to advice someone to leave it then u r playing god?!!! astaghfirullah
anyways, ppl allowing music have their reason, being attracted to music, but what about ppl prohibiting it? I don't see another reason but religion..
live 70 years or whenever you live, this life is really short to make some basics against Islam

 

[Hijaabi22]

this thread gna get closed :rollseyes

 

[Mar1]

ummm, didn't see ur opinion SoldiereSS_1

 

[AllaahuAkbar]

assalamu'alaikum warahmutallah!!!!
Mashallah to all who are trying to go to the straight path of Allah(swt)
Music is a major sin, we all need to stay careful about it since in this dunya at this particular time music is all over the place. Our Prophet(saw) mentioned that as Yawmal Qiyamah nears, music will be popular n also it will be in Muslims houses. And that is so true. As u see now music is everywhere even in Muslim houses. Many muslims have T.Vs in their house. Music and T.V is connected. if there is T.V then there is music.
May ALLAH guide us in the straight path, inshallah, ameen ameen ameen !!!!

 

[Mar1]

masheAllah to you to and welcome to you and to me in our 1st day here

 

[snakelegs]

I don't know wheter you should judge someones choices by the criteria of him being good. I can imagen good people doing things they shouldn't. At the same time bad peopel can do good things. Life isn't that black-and-white. There are indeed many muslims who listen to music and who see no harm in that. However as muslims we are not to implement rules by our personal preferance or by our personal judgement of what is good and bad. We are to follow the guidelines of our religion and try and seek source (verse of Qur'an or hadeeth of the prophet) to determine what is accepted and not.

point taken.

I thikn our points of views aer then quite close to eachother.
Fair enough. However I am curious about this. Could you elaborate on that?

this type of thing is almost impossible to put in words. but yes, i think it does influence my actions throughout the day because i am more aware of things than i was before. as you can see, i'm agnostic, but before i was pretty indifferent as to whether there is a god or not and now i feel sure there is indeed.
What kind of music has this effect on you? Why do you reckon it has?
qawwali music (sufi devotional music from pakistan/india.) i don't know why it has this effect, but it touches my soul in a way that has never happened before.
Do you sometimes think it's dangerous to rely on music (=entertainement) to guide your religious awareness?
no, i never think it's dangerous to rely on music to guide my religious awareness because it in itself causes me to find guides elsewhere also.
Do you think this will eventually develop into soemthing else?
like what?
Does this influence your actions throughout the day?

see above.
hope i've made some sense.

 

[snakelegs]

For those of you who may be interested, I do plan to present a synthesis of opinions and arguments in favor of music- real research, not Sheikh Google.
Asalaamu alaikum.

i would be very interested!
i often get the impression that there is a specific official "party" line on this forum - like they have a monopoly on The One And Only Truth On The One And True Religion. and i am aware that there is not only one opinion on some subjects. if i didn't know anything else and only came here to learn about islam, i would be horrified!
oooops - hope i don't get shot lol!

 

[Ibn Abi Ahmed]

As is the case with those who follow their desires and not accept the clear Truth that comes directly from the Quran and the Sunnah, they attack the person who is telling them that with basless accusations.

I noticed NJUSA mentioned "Sheikh Google". I dont think youve read this:

http://www.islamicboard.com/islamic-sources/20238-music-singing-light-quran-sunnah.html

I doubt the author of the book Abu Bilal Mustafa Al-Kanadi used google in writing that, or i even doubt such a deep refutation against those who beleive music is permissible can be written using Google. Perhaps it would do good if those in favor of the permissibility of music read that.

Second, over and over Ive asked you not to bring sectarianism into discussions NJUSA, but it seems you are in favor of that. That qualifies for a repeat warning.

The Prophet (Allah's peace and blessings be upon him) said, "There will be people from my Ummah who will seek to make lawful: fornication, the wearing of silk, wine-drinking and the use of musical instruments [ma'aazif].(Bukhari)

I think this Hadith should aspire fear of Allah in the hearts of those that have Iman, and keep in mind the verses of the Quran that say "Obey Allah and His Messenger".


65. But no, by your Lord, they can have no Faith, until they make you (O Muhammad ) judge in all disputes between them, and find in themselves no resistance against your decisions, and accept (them) with full submission.

Allah negates Iman of the person that doesnt
1) take the Messenger as his Judge,
2)One who finds resistance in the Messenger's Decision,
3) that the Messenger's judgement has to be accepted with full submission.

These verses and the hadith are clear as daylight. One can choose to accept them or deny them as he wills.

With that, :threadclo