When non Muslims appear to be guided

[themuffinman]

i read sumwhere i think it was a hadith or sumthing that allah provides even the kuffar through their idols or whatever means of worship they use but it doesnt mean they are on the correct path. i mean pre-islamic mecca is a great example isnt it? the keepers of the kabah made a killing off their idols did they not?

 

[Aqeel Ahmed]

I know how it feels Yanal has a non believer that is smart and never finishes Homework nor studies for tests and Yanal feels the same way. I think these things are little tests from Allah to see how firm is our belief in him.

 

[glo]

I have been following this thread with interest.

There seems to be a tendency to interpret good things happening to other people differently, depending on whether they belong to one's own faith group or not.

For example, some Muslims seem to perceive good things happening to other Muslims as 'God's blessing on them', whereas they perceive good things happening to non-Muslims as 'non-believers receiving their reward in this life' or 'being tempted by God' or even 'being deceived by Satan'.
A Christian or follower of any other religion may perceive things similarly from their own perspective ...

I wonder, are we not being simplistic?
Are we not trying to put a human interpretation on things happening around us?

Isn't it the truth that good and bad things happen to all people from all religions and none?

I wonder if there are any statistics which would tell us whether followers of certain religions are more blessed than others or not, or whether the perception of being blessed may be a subjective one?

Peace

 

[سلثتحعرين!]

Does that work the other way around as well then? can god abandon some people?

I have had a horrid life with abuse, sexual abuse and rape. I turned on my own species and looked to animals for comfort.

I have since decided that i am on a test from Allah and there is a purpose for me, as every life is to be cherised.

But its been a very dark tunnel and finally im seeing the light.

 

[Hafswa]

Does that work the other way around as well then? can god abandon some people?

I have had a horrid life with abuse, sexual abuse and rape. I turned on my own species and looked to animals for comfort.

I have since decided that i am on a test from Allah and there is a purpose for me, as every life is to be cherised.

But its been a very dark tunnel and finally im seeing the light.

You said it..... It's a test of your faith. Of how you can rely on God even when everything in your world seems not to make sense at all. Isn't this why things are making sense now for you....

 

[NazariteofEhyah]

I have been experiencing "bumping into" christians from Abundant life church, some liv next door, I started a job and there is someone there who belongs to that church. Have had good rapor with some and have held good conversation. Although nothing can ever shake my love for Allah I am confused that some, in particular a couple who moved from Italy to be near the church, seem to be so blessed and guided. Money from unexpected sources, a car for free just when needed etc. I know Allah gives to whoever he decices but a non-beleiver could think this is the right path. I dont wish to offend anypeople who are not Muslim. Seems to me Allah is bringing me into contact with these perticylar people and I dont know why. Has anyone got any thoughts on this. Peace

Shalama,

This is where two worlds engage one another. You may be living and working in a area where Christianity is of the majority and so therefore you will see that many Christians value thier faith highly, and yes would surrender many things to be in the community of fellow Christians. Thus, Deity ought to see that their faith in Him is strenghtend in their lifes, so that they better met His Commandments and to honour the Convenant.

 

[NazariteofEhyah]

Glo:

I wonder if there are any statistics which would tell us whether followers of certain religions are more blessed than others or not, or whether the perception of being blessed may be a subjective one?

Peace [/QUOTE]

Groups simply have different views and the groups views on one group is different then of a group other then that group. Yes, I agree its humanity who is attempting to define the events around us, in the tonques of men which is not the tongue of God. Furthermore I agree unconditionally that many make good and bad things look as part or dependent on His Will. The Truth is that they bend His Will just by claiming that good things are dependent on Him. That would be that we dont have to make choices, as God does everything.

 

[NazariteofEhyah]

Glo

Groups simply have different views and the groups views on one group is different then of a group other then that group. Yes, I agree its humanity who is attempting to define the events around us, in the tonques of men which is not the tongue of God. Furthermore I agree unconditionally that many make good and bad things look as part or dependent on His Will. The Truth is that they bend His Will just by claiming that good things are dependent on Him. That would mean that we dont have to make choices, as God does everything. God's WIll will be done, as we are instructed in the Lord's Prayer. But we should put His Will on par with good or bad things that happent to me. Its a principle of the Dominos Theory, where if we perform good deeds further good deeds might benefit us. Each respective individual can easily claim to be blessed. They perform His Will, they render Him powerless over them, and they reject the Convenant. Thus, claiming to be blessed is hyprocrisy, for it is others to give the bless and not to be claimed by the self.

 

[Yanal]

I also need some input as when I meet non Muslims sometimes I get the thought of why has Allah makes their life better then mine in looks,physical,mentally and the brain,why?

 

[NazariteofEhyah]

I also need some input as when I meet non Muslims sometimes I get the thought of why has Allah makes their life better then mine in looks,physical,mentally and the brain,why?

Doesn't the Qu'ran make some reference?

For the Jews read the Torah (Masoretic and Non-Masoretic)

For the Christians read the New Testament (Gospels of Matthew, Gospel of Mark, Gospel of Luke and Gospel of John)

 

[Azy]

For the religious among us, what would you expect the world to be like if there was no God to reward or test his followers?

 

[Indigåtor]

I also need some input as when I meet non Muslims sometimes I get the thought of why has Allah makes their life better then mine in looks,physical,mentally and the brain,why?

It's a matter of self-worth and esteem, for the most part. You perceive yourself as inferior to them when in fact you aren't. Besides, the Qur'an teaches that mankind is to be tested in all things - Muslim or not. It could be that they will find no lasting benefit in what they have, while you will receive a lasting reward for what you don't have, in one way or another. You have a severely negative image of yourself, my friend. I do believe the Qur'an refutes such thoughts or feelings. Equally, the Bibles for the Jews and Christians, because they too suffer from such negative thoughts although you may be unaware of it.

 

[aamirsaab]

For the religious among us, what would you expect the world to be like if there was no God to reward or test his followers?

What do you mean? Like economically, sociologically, politically? Gotta narrow it down a lot more.

 

[NazariteofEhyah]

For the religious among us, what would you expect the world to be like if there was no God to reward or test his followers?

Animalism, Totemism and an array of animal headed gods and goddesses!

Absolutely shocking. I wont think about it, it begs no question.

 

[Azy]

Absolutely shocking. I wont think about it, it begs no question.

Ho ho ho.

What do you mean?

I mean what you would observe in terms of individual prosperity or suffering. The course of one's life and one's Islamic observance or lack thereof appear (to me) to have no discernable correlation and as a few people have said, whether they are being rewarded, punished or tested seems to be entirely dependent on the observer.

I suppose what I'm getting at is that some seem to be able to say why things happened the way they did, that certain folk were being tested or rewarded and that would imply some kind of trend, as glo said, so long as these things weren't assigned randomly.

For example:

Does that work the other way around as well then? can god abandon some people?

I have had a horrid life with abuse, sexual abuse and rape. I turned on my own species and looked to animals for comfort.

I have since decided that i am on a test from Allah and there is a purpose for me, as every life is to be cherised.

But its been a very dark tunnel and finally im seeing the light.

You said it..... It's a test of your faith. Of how you can rely on God even when everything in your world seems not to make sense at all. Isn't this why things are making sense now for you....

If we work from this, a world without God might have less suffering, or it might just be allocated differently and some people are now artificially enriched when they would not otherwise have been. Would it all even out, or would life be better or worse for some groups of people and not others?

 

[NazariteofEhyah]

If we work from this, a world without God might have less suffering, or it might just be allocated differently and some people are now artificially enriched when they would not otherwise have been. Would it all even out, or would life be better or worse for some groups of people and not others

Maybe we should think that the people of the world would be more tolerant?

If we argue the position that God created both the good and the bad, then say that without God, there would be no or lessened suffering then some could issue the responce that there's so much suffering due to selfishness, and not God.

 

[Vito]

If everyone believes there is no afterlife, I doubt this world would be a much better place :hmm: The only thing stopping me from doing anything bad is my fear of the consequences from Allah, not the laws set by our govt.

 

[NazariteofEhyah]

If everyone believes there is no afterlife, I doubt this world would be a much better place :hmm: The only thing stopping me from doing anything bad is my fear of the consequences from Allah, not the laws set by our govt.

Belief or unbelief in a afterlife don't really act as paralimiters to an individuals behaviour. When it could be the scenario of an individual's personal convictions that he strives to be a moral as he can. He could learn from his past experiences, his witness of other's experiences (both of personal detriment and profit) and his own reflection. Having said this, does an Atheist who does good deeds, thinks good thoughts and doesn't believe in an afterlife deserve to be judged harshly? Assumably all are to be judged equally, and so therefore all are equal. There will be no discrimination is matter of judgement. So, we should better reflect this wisdom and treat each other fairly, for the measure we judge others will be measured against us. Considering reading Deuteronmy 1:9-18 and Matthew 7:1-2.
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The laws of our government are just worldy annoyances! If I could get away with it, then Book of Proverbs would be the issue of justice!

 

[Vito]

Belief or unbelief in a afterlife don't really act as paralimiters to an individuals behaviour. When it could be the scenario of an individual's personal convictions that he strives to be a moral as he can. He could learn from his past experiences, his witness of other's experiences (both of personal detriment and profit) and his own reflection. Having said this, does an Atheist who does good deeds, thinks good thoughts and doesn't believe in an afterlife deserve to be judged harshly? Assumably all are to be judged equally, and so therefore all are equal. There will be no discrimination is matter of judgement. So, we should better reflect this wisdom and treat each other fairly, for the measure we judge others will be measured against us. Considering reading Deuteronmy 1:9-18 and Matthew 7:1-2.
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The laws of our government are just worldy annoyances! If I could get away with it, then Book of Proverbs would be the issue of justice!

As far as the judging goes, thats not up to me. But what I can add is, that person for sure didn't pray 5 times a day, didn't attend the weekly jumaat, most likely didn't fast for ramadan, etc. etc. Most importantly, that person didn't believe in Allah. So from an Islamic point of view, doing good deeds and thinking happy thoughts will only take you so far.

 

[NazariteofEhyah]

As far as the judging goes, thats not up to me. But what I can add is, that person for sure didn't pray 5 times a day, didn't attend the weekly jumaat, most likely didn't fast for ramadan, etc. etc. Most importantly, that person didn't believe in Allah. So from an Islamic point of view, doing good deeds and thinking happy thoughts will only take you so far.

You cannot expect an Atheist to conform to Islamic practices. In the Nazarite/Nazarene/Nazari point of view such a behaviour is seen as leading them to Deity or some Prophet's instruction. I greatly approve of allow people to be, when people are left alone and respected they have the opportunity to use their free will and to make enquiries about the faith. From our standing we are to respect all men, of different faiths without condition.