When non Muslims appear to be guided

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I misunderstood the highlighted part and thought you were talking about if they deserved to be judged harshly by God. I didn't realize you were talking about being judged amongst other people. And well the answer is no. As you said in your last post, were supposed to respect others and be non judgmental.
 
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I misunderstood the highlighted part and thought you were talking about if they deserved to be judged harshly by God. I didn't realize you were talking about being judged amongst other people. And well the answer is no. As you said in your last post, were supposed to respect others and be non judgmental.
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As I have said before, non-judgement is Biblical! (It doesn't matter if their pagans, fire worshippers, idol worshippers, Christians, Muslims, Hindus and Nazara).

It to to the LORD (Ehyah amongst the Nazarenes) to which judgement is done.
 
Gossamer skye said:
br. Yusufnoor is especially on to something and it can also be found on suret al'moemonoon.. those folks who are generally good, are usually given their reward in this life, so they are owed nothing on the day of recompense.. further confirmed by suret az'zalzalah where we are specifically told that whomever does an 'atom's weight' of goodness or evil shall see it...
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How so? Since Islam has predestination, how do you know that anyone will see anything other than what they are predestined for? I think your scales might be for naught if there is predestination.


I posted about predestination on another thread and it seems that someone wants to try to delve into it further and I am awaiting the response which is fine with me. I await with patience. But, there are quite a number of verses in the QUran and the hadiths about it.

Bukhari:V4B54N430, Bukhari:V6B60N473, Qur'an 97:1, Qur'an 64:11, Qur'an 3:145, Quran 2:272, and the historian, Ishaq:395. there might be more.
 
Willow said:
How so? Since Islam has predestination, how do you know that anyone will see anything other than what they are predestined for? I think your scales might be for naught if there is predestination.


I posted about predestination on another thread and it seems that someone wants to try to delve into it further and I am awaiting the response which is fine with me. I await with patience. But, there are quite a number of verses in the QUran and the hadiths about it.

Bukhari:V4B54N430, Bukhari:V6B60N473, Qur'an 97:1, Qur'an 64:11, Qur'an 3:145, Quran 2:272, and the historian, Ishaq:395. there might be more.
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see answers given you on other thread, and do source your articles from the islamophobic site you actually got it from just to spare yourself the public expose..
I know off hand you don't have all 13 volumes of saheeh bukhari, or 9 volumes of Muslim or the rest or even read the Quran to actually engage me with what you think you know, least of which when mentioning that God had three daughters..

now with that said, there is positively no relevance whatsoever to the topic with what you'd ve just written. Is it difficult for Christians generally to focus as I have come to notice the trend
if you can't dazzle them with science baffle them with BS.. or drown them in sermons of the sin eating man God who forgo his own commandments or abrogated them through his nemesis... trust me you don't want to go down that path with me.. I bore easily with fundies!

all the best
 
"see answers given you on other thread, and do source your articles from the islamophobic site you actually got it from just to spare yourself the public expose..
I know off hand you don't have all 13 volumes of saheeh bukhari, or 9 volumes of Muslim or the rest "

Do you mean to say that even if it is a true hadith if it is from an islamophobic site it doesn't count?

Are you a Quran only Muslim?
 
Follower said:
"see answers given you on other thread, and do source your articles from the islamophobic site you actually got it from just to spare yourself the public expose..
I know off hand you don't have all 13 volumes of saheeh bukhari, or 9 volumes of Muslim or the rest "

Do you mean to say that even if it is a true hadith if it is from an islamophobic site it doesn't count?

Are you a Quran only Muslim?
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you know all about isnad and true ahadiths because you are studied in the matter?
 
Christian belive in Allah they just think Jesus was his son instead of a prophet. I think the real issue for you is athiest who are so "blessed"
 
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i was thinking about this thread when i heard Bashar Shala give a lecture on the the Man with 2 Gardens from Surat Al Kahf. i posted this in another section:

32: And present to them an example of two men: We granted to one of them two gardens of grapevines, and We bordered them with palm trees and placed between them [fields of] crops.
33: each of the two gardens produced its fruit and did not fall short thereof in anything. And We caused to gush forth within them a river.
34: And he had fruit, so he said to his companion while he was conversing with him, "I am greater than you in wealth and mightier in [numbers of] men."
35: And he entered his garden while he was unjust to himself. He said, "I do not think that this will perish - ever.
36: And I do not think the Hour will occur. And even if I should be brought back to my Lord, I will surely find better than this as a return."
37: His companion said to him while he was conversing with him, "Have you disbelieved in He who created you from dust and then from a sperm-drop and then proportioned you [as] a man?
38: But as for me, He is Allah , my Lord, and I do not associate with my Lord anyone.
39: And why did you, when you entered your garden, not say, 'What Allah willed [has occurred]; there is no power except in Allah '? Although you see me less than you in wealth and children,
40: It may be that my Lord will give me [something] better than your garden and will send upon it a calamity from the sky, and it will become a smooth, dusty ground,
41: Or its water will become sunken [into the earth], so you would never be able to seek it."
42: And his fruits were encompassed [by ruin], so he began to turn his hands about [in dismay] over what he had spent on it, while it had collapsed upon its trellises, and said, "Oh, I wish I had not associated with my Lord anyone."
43: And there was for him no company to aid him other than Allah , nor could he defend himself.
44: There the authority is [completely] for Allah , the Truth. He is best in reward and best in outcome.
45: And present to them the example of the life of this world, [its being] like rain which We send down from the sky, and the vegetation of the earth mingles with it and [then] it becomes dry remnants, scattered by the winds. And Allah is ever, over all things, Perfect in Ability.
46:Wealth and children are [but] adornment of the worldly life. But the enduring good deeds are better to your Lord for reward and better for [one's] hope.

summing up a lecture by Bashar Shala:

Allah[SWT] gave this man A TREMENDOUS BLESSING! not just one garden [a jannah] BUT TWO! and a river running right down the middle to water them, along with date/palm trees to shield them from the wind! he thought that NOTHING could change his status!

what did all this wealth do to him?

"I am greater than you in wealth and mightier in [numbers of] men."
remember Shaytan said that he was better than Adam!

then: And he entered his garden while he was unjust to himself. He said, "I do not think that this will perish - ever.
now he has forgotten La Hawla wa La Quwata Illah Billah! has he imagined himself a god now?

and next: And I do not think the Hour will occur.
Nowuthubillah, now he denies the resurrection!

and then: And even if I should be brought back to my Lord, I will surely find better than this as a return."
now he's iffy on the resurrection, BUT he is already claiming his portion on that day! has he forgotten who is Maliki Yawmid Deen?

has this wealth benefited him at all?

what about the "poor man?"

His companion said to him while he was conversing with him, "Have you disbelieved in He who created you from dust and then from a sperm-drop and then proportioned you [as] a man?

Alhumddulillah, this man IS a believer! we are dust, water and clay! EVERYTHING we have comes from Allah[SWT]!

But as for me, He is Allah , my Lord, and I do not associate with my Lord anyone.

MashaAllah, the brother has Tawheed!

And why did you, when you entered your garden, not say, 'What Allah willed [has occurred]; there is no power except in Allah '?

Allahu Akbar, he realizes that Allah, Alhumdulillah, is Rabbil AlAmeen! the creator, cherisher, sustainer, and healer of this and all of the worlds!

Although you see me less than you in wealth and children, It may be that my Lord will give me [something] better than your garden

Alhumdulillah, it is the Qadr of Allah[SWT]! the brother is on the straight path! [Siratul Mustaqeem!]

and who knows: and will send upon it a calamity from the sky, and it will become a smooth, dusty ground,
Or its water will become sunken [into the earth], so you would never be able to seek it.

again, La Hawla wa La Quwata Illah Billah!


so what happened?

And his fruits were encompassed [by ruin], so he began to turn his hands about [in dismay] over what he had spent on it, while it had collapsed upon its trellises, and said, "Oh, I wish I had not associated with my Lord anyone."

did taking himself as a partner with Allah help him? could he aid himself?

And there was for him no company to aid him other than Allah , nor could he defend himself.

why?

There the authority is [completely] for Allah , the Truth. He is best in reward and best in outcome.


you see: Wealth and children are [but] adornment of the worldly life.

Shaytan tries to beautify the dunya! that is how he traps us!

is there anything better?

But the enduring good deeds are better to your Lord for reward and better for [one's] hope

there you have it! "enduring good deeds" is what you would call "sticking to the halal"

when you feel alone, head to the Masjid! and remember and ponder these Ayats!

the Jannah that Allah[SWT} has promised us is more enduring than any "Shaytanized Dunya!"

MashaAllah, Brother Bahsar Shala does a wonderful job discussing these Ayats:

http://www.pleasantviewschool.com/me..._Surah_Al-Kahf

3rd lecture down the Man of the Two Gardens! give it a listen! In Sha'a Allah, you will learn something and your heart will be touched!
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the lecture IS better than what i wrote!

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Also do not the Bible and the Torah contain some truths? They are considered, "people of the book," after all. Can not non Muslims learn from and emulate Muslims? Thus making them guided by behaving in such ways? So I ask. Why couldn't a non Muslim be guided?

*doesn't get into his views*
 
my view is that they could be indeed blessed and being guided by Allah towards islaam. Perhaps if they stay as sincere as Salman Al-Farsi they will ultimately reach islaam.


Everyone who desires guidance IS WHETHER YOU BELIEVER IT OR NOT BEING GUIDED! We are just too naive to sometimes see it! in the end... the ultimate end depends on the paths we choose, are we strong enough to believe sincerely through the tribulations? or will we be swayed by shaytaan!


the ones you came in contact with, make dua' they find islaam... make dua they find it...
 
ATHEISTofPEACE said:
Also do not the Bible and the Torah contain some truths?

yes

They are considered, "people of the book," after all.

yes

Can not non Muslims learn from and emulate Muslims?

yes

Thus making them guided by behaving in such ways?

yes

So I ask. Why couldn't a non Muslim be guided?

that is the point of da'wah, but not the thread

*doesn't get into his views*
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if we could just get Muslims to learn from Muslims, we might be on our way...

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