where do christians think anti-christ will come froM?

the gate of Lud where dajjal will be caught is where the zionist major state airport is built. dajjal will ride a donkey with ears stretched wide to the side and travelling as fast as the clouds-aeroplane?
prophet Isa (P) will descend at the white minarets of damascus mosque-that masjid is white now.
 
searchingsoul said:
If you want to explore the Anti-Christ and the end of times scenario according to what is probably the most generally accepted Christian view, I would suggest reading the Left Behind series of books. I think they have been turned into movies too. I warn you that you might be offended. They tend to have that "non christians get their guts pulled out by God" mentality.
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Hi searchingsoul :)

I think it is important to remember that the Left Behind series are fiction.
A human attempt to interpret the message of Revelation into our times - but fiction nonetheless.
Personally, I would not describe them as 'the most generally accepted Christian view' of the end times. :rollseyes
I always feel it is very dangerous to assume to know God's plans. Only God knows how and when the end times will occur. I keep a very open mind about such things.

Blessings.
 
marge1 said:
the gate of Lud where dajjal will be caught is where the zionist major state airport is built. dajjal will ride a donkey with ears stretched wide to the side and travelling as fast as the clouds-aeroplane?
prophet Isa (P) will descend at the white minarets of damascus mosque-that masjid is white now.
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when you say he will ride a donkey...are you meaning that literaly?
 
glo said:
Hi searchingsoul :)

I think it is important to remember that the Left Behind series are fiction.
A human attempt to interpret the message of Revelation into our times - but fiction nonetheless.
Personally, I would not describe them as 'the most generally accepted Christian view' of the end times. :rollseyes
I always feel it is very dangerous to assume to know God's plans. Only God knows how and when the end times will occur. I keep a very open mind about such things.

Blessings.
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do you know the name of the autor...Glo

haven't seen you around in awhile..:)
 
Nicola said:
when you say he will ride a donkey...are you meaning that literaly?
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Nope it's a metaphoric. Alot of the hadith relating to the future were, to help the Arabs back then understand cos they didn't know about much technology and stuff.
(By the way i like your new Avatar Glo)
 
Abd'Majid said:


yes very :eek:, dajjal being religious is a joke! He will be the root of evil! But he will seem like a religious leader to many.

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why don't you think he won't be a religious man...there are many religions out there that are not of God..just because you are religious doesn't mean you worship God..

2Th 2:1 Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you, brothers,

2Th 2:3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,

2Th 2:4 who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.

2Th 2:5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things?

2Th 2:6 And you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time.

2Th 2:7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. Only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way.

2Th 2:8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will kill with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by the appearance of his coming.

2Th 2:9 The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders,

2Th 2:10 and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.

2Th 2:11 Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false,

2Th 2:12 in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

2Th 2:13 But we ought always to give thanks to God for you, brothers beloved by the Lord, because God chose you as the firstfruits to be saved, through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth.

2Th 2:14 To this he called you through our gospel, so that you may obtain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

2Th 2:15 So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter.

2Th 2:16 Now may our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God our Father, who loved us and gave us eternal comfort and good hope through grace,
 
Nicola said:
why don't you think he won't be a religious man...there are many religions out there that are not of God..just because you are religious doesn't mean you worship God..
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Hi Nicola

I agree with you.
'Religiousness' can be something quite negative. Jesus made that very clear when he criticised 'religious' people, such as the pharisees.

Blessings. :)
 
Ayesha Rana said:
Nope it's a metaphoric. Alot of the hadith relating to the future were, to help the Arabs back then understand cos they didn't know about much technology and stuff.
(By the way i like your new Avatar Glo)
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thanks
are your prophecies for the end times...in the Quran or the Hadith..or both.
 
~Mu'MiNaH~ said:
Do you believe that he will claim to be God?
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Yes I believe he will....we are told he will do wonders.

2Th 2:11 Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false.

Many people will believe this man, and accept the mark of the beast..the wheat is going to be sieved from the chaff...
 
Nicola said:
do you know the name of the autor...Glo

haven't seen you around in awhile..:)
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The author of the left behind series?
Tim LeHaye and Jerry Jenkins, I think. I only ever read the first book. Don't know how many there are altogether.

Yep, I've been busy ... and pondering my membership in this forum ... :rollseyes

Blessings.
 
glo said:
Hi searchingsoul :)

I think it is important to remember that the Left Behind series are fiction.
A human attempt to interpret the message of Revelation into our times - but fiction nonetheless.
Personally, I would not describe them as 'the most generally accepted Christian view' of the end times. :rollseyes
I always feel it is very dangerous to assume to know God's plans. Only God knows how and when the end times will occur. I keep a very open mind about such things.

Blessings.
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Hi. Yes I know they are fiction. They do present the end of time prophesies as most Christians in the US tend to perceive them. They deal with the Anti-Christ, rapture of Christians, and biblical prophesies. The books take the prophesies and present them as they may occur in present society.

I too agree that it's dangerous to assume to know the plans of God. It's been my experience that few Christians actually keep an open mind. Most Christians I've known prefer to take the word of a priest or minister for religious instruction. Actually reading and researching Christianity independently seems to be too much work for some people.

I am in no way saying that the Left Behind series is 100% accurate. No one knows what will actually happen. I must say that they present the biblical prophesies pretty accurately for those who prefer a literal explanation. No one can deny that the Bible paints a horrible picture for non Christians.
 
I believe God always tells us his plans for the future..and we have those plans already...revelation is what is needed and that can only come from the Holy Spirit.....he always warns first..he always has done thoughout the OT...prophets where told what was to come...
Though we don't know the name of the antichrist...we do know what is to come.

I agree searchingsoul...we must always take revelation from minsters etc..at face value first...test these spirits...let the Holy Spirit guide us in Gods word...that is who I rely on...not man. Our communion must be with God alone. Jesus made that path open to us.

Peace
 
Abd'Majid said:


Do christians have any descriptions of dajjal?

We as muslims believe he will have coarse hair, blind in one eye and visible thru another which floats in his eye like a protruding grape, he will have very red skin and the distance between his eyes will be 70 cubits long (how long is a cubit?

:peace:!
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From this description he sounds like a beast. Is he suppose to be human or some sort of beastlike creature?
 
searchingsoul said:
From this description he sounds like a beast. Is he suppose to be human or some sort of beastlike creature?
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;D thats so funny...well with that description...there sure won't be any doubt...so doubt he'll get very far decieving anyone....:giggling:
 
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Here is an interseting hadith guys about the dajjal:

Taken From Sahih Muslim
Book 041, Number 7028:

Amir b. Sharahil Sha"bi Sha"b Hamdan reported that he asked Fatima, daughter of Qais and sister of ad-Dahhak b. Qais and she was the first amongst the emigrant women: Narrate to me a hadith which you had heard directly from Allah"s Messenger (may peace be upon him) and there is no extra link in between them. She said: Very well, if you like, I am prepared to do that, and he said to her: Well, do It and narrate that to me. She said: I married the son of Mughira and he was a chosen young man of Quraish at that time, but he fell as a martyr in the first Jihad (fighting) on the side of Allah"s Messenger (may peace be upon him). When I became a widow, "Abd al-Rahman b. Auf, one amongst the group of the Companions of Allah"s Messenger (may peace be upon him), sent me the proposal of marriage. Allah"s Messenger (may peace be upon him) also sent me such a message for his freed slave Usama b. Zaid. And it had been conveyed to me that Allah"s Messenger (way peace be upon him) had said (about Usama): He who loves me should also love Usima. When Allah"s Messenger (may peace be upon him) talked to me (about this matter), I said: My affairs are in your hand. You may marry me to anyone whom you like. He said: You better shift now to the house of Umm Sharik, and Umm Sharik was a rich lady from amongst the Anqir. She spent generously for the cause of Allah and entertained guests very hospitably. I said: Well, I will do as you like. He said: Do not do that for Umm Sharik is a woman who is very frequently vizited by guests and I do not like that your head may be uncovered or the cloth may be removed from your shank and the strangers may catch sight of them which you abhor. You better shift to the house of your cousin "Abdullah b. "Amr b. Umm Maktum and he is a person of the Bani Fihr branch of the Quraish, and he belonged to that tribe (to which Fatima) belonged. So I shifted to that house, and when my period of waiting was over, I heard the voice of an announcer making an announcement that the prayer would be observed in the mosque (where) congregational prayer (is observed).

So I set out towards that mosque and observed prayer along with Allah"s Messenger (may peace be upon him) and I was in the row of the women which was near the row of men. When Allah"s Messenger (may peace be upon him) had finished his prayer, he sat on the pulpit smiling and said: Every worshipper should keep sitting at his place. He then said: Do you know why I had asked you to assemble? They said: Allah and His Messenger know best. He said: By Allah. I have not made you assemble for exhortation or for a warning, but I have detained you here, for Tamim Dari, a Christian, who came and accepted Islam, told me something, which agrees with what I was-telling, you about the Dajjal. He narrated to me that he had sailed in a ship along with thirty men of Bani Lakhm and Bani Judham and had been tossed by waves in the ocean for a month. Then these (waves) took them (near) the land within the ocean (island) at the time of sunset. They sat in a small side-boat and entered that Island. There was a beast with long thick hair (and because of these) they could not distinguish his face from his back. They said: Woe to you, who can you be? Thereupon it said: I am al-Jassasa. They said: What is al-Jassasa? And it said: O people, go to this person in the monastery as he is very much eager to know about you. He (the narrator) said: When it named a person for us we were afraid of it lest it should be a Devil. Then we hurriedly went on till we came to that monastery and found a well-built person there with his hands tied to his neck and having iron shackles between his two legs up to the ankles. We said: Woe be upon thee, who are you? And he said: You would soon come to know about me. but tell me who are you. We said: We are people from Arabia and we embarked upon a boat but the sea-waves had been driving us for one month and they brought as near this island. We got Into the side-boats and entered this island and here a beast met us with profusely thick hair and because of the thickness of his hair his face could not be distinguished from his back. We said: Woe be to thee, who are you? It said: I am al- Jassasa. We said: What is al-Jassasa? And it said: You go to this very person in the monastery for he is eagerly waiting for you to know about you. So we came to you in hot haste fearing that that might be the Devil. He (that chained person) said: Tell me about the date-palm trees of Baisan. We &aid: About what aspect of theirs do you seek information? He said: I ask you whether these trees bear fruit or not.

We said: Yes Thereupon he said: I think these would not bear fruits. He said: Inform me about the lake of Tabariyya? We said: Which aspect of it do you want to know? He said: Is there water in it? They said: There is abundance of water in it. Thereupon he said: I think it would soon become dry. He again said: Inform me about the spring of Zughar. They said: Which aspect of it you want to know? He (the chained person) said: Is there water in it and does it irrigate (the land)? We said to him: Yes, there is abundance of water in it and the inhabitants (of Medina) irrigate (land) with the help of it, He said: Inform me about the unlettered Prophet; what has he done? We said: He has come out from Mecca and has settled In Yathrib (Medina). He said: Do the Arabs fight against him? We said: Yes. He said: How did he deal with him? We informed him that he had overcome those in his neighbourhood and they had submitted themselves before him. Thereupon he said to us: Had it actually happened? We said: Yes. Thereupon he said: If it is so that is better for them that they should show obedience to him. I am going to tell you about. myself and I am Dajjal and would be soon permitted to get out and so I shall get out and travel in the land, and will not spare any town where I would not stay for forty nights except Mecca and Medina as these two (places) are prohibited (areas) for me and I would not make an attempt to enter any one of these two. An angel with a sword in his hand would confront me and would bar my way and there would be angels to guard every passage leading to it; then Allah"s Messenger (may peace be upon him) striking the pulpit with the help of the end of his staff said: This implies Taiba meaning Medina. Have I not, told you an account (of the Dajjal) like this? "The people said: Yes, and this account narrated by Tamim Dari was liked by me for it corroborates the account which I gave to you in regard to him (Dajjal) at Medina and Mecca. Behold he (Dajjal) is in the Syrian sea (Mediterranian) or the Yemen sea (Arabian sea). Nay, on the contrary, he As In the east, he is in the east, he is in the east, and he pointed with his hand towards the east. I (Fatima bint Qais) said: I preserved It In my mind (this narration from Allah"s Messenger (may peace be upon him).
 
Nicola said:
every nations that denys God and falls for a false religion is going to suffer great judgments from God..
this is why God is telling us to come out of all false religions in the book of Revelation.
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How do we know which religions are false?
 

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