Which religion is closest to Islam?

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Greetings, Yusuf

God promised to make Ishmael's descendant into a 'great nation', but of Isaac he said this:

Abraham fell facedown; he laughed and said to himself, "Will a son be born to a man a hundred years old? Will Sarah bear a child at the age of ninety?" And Abraham said to God, "If only Ishmael might live under your blessing!"

Then God said, "Yes, but your wife Sarah will bear you a son, and you will call him Isaac. I will establish my covenant with him as an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him. And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation. But my covenant I will establish with Isaac, whom Sarah will bear to you by this time next year." When he had finished speaking with Abraham, God went up from him.

(Genesis 17:17-22)

God's convenant is established with Isaac, not Ishmael - whichever way you look at it ...

However, it also shows the close bond God has with both Isaac and Ishmael.
If only the two brothers would like each other better! :-[
 
There is no establishment of 'New religions' as far as Abrahamic faith is concerned, there is however reinforcing the laws lost through the exegesis of creative men!
starting with God being one, then three as is the case with Christianity then back to one with islam!

all the best

You incorrectly state what Christianity says with regard to God. No matter how many times you say that we say three, it does not make it so. We do not say three. We say three-in-one. And you don't even have Judaism exactly right.

I believe a more correct form of your statement would be as follows:
Starting with the Lord our God is one, to one God in three persons, to there is no God but Allah.
 
it was a JEWISH translation along with JEWISH commentary! do you know of any JEWS who believe in a trinity?

:w:

Actually, I do. Of course the rest of the Jews at the local synagogues reject them, and claim that because they believe in Jesus and the Holy Spirit that they are no longer religious Jews, but even they recognize that they are Jews by birth.


How many Jews do you know who believe that Mohammad is The Prophet and that there is no God but Allah? If you do, are they still accepted as religious Jews by their community and in their local synagogues?
 
Haha. I thought this thread was about which religion is closest to Islam. It seems to have turned to a discussion of which religion is closest to Judaism.

His question has already been answered also :haha: see Br Yusf's reply but I'd like to understand the justification behind this liberty he uses to allege a triple God exists in the OT, which at the same time causes him a strong aversion to the mention of Islam and prophet Mohammed by name in Hebrew!

all the best
 
While no religion will ever come close to Islam, I believe that Judaism is the closest because of the strict laws that are non-existant in Christianity.

Nonetheless, I couldn't dream of being anything else other than Muslim right about now. :D
 
Agnosticism is closest to Islam, all the rest are as far as it gets.
it's more a position than a religion though.
 
you are agnostic--> you become muslim

you are something else--> you become muslim

compare the easiness of moving from left to right for both.

agnosticism is mainly a result of either staying as you were from the beginning, or leaving a religion you didn't like thus it is more natural, thus closer to Islam IMO.

anyone comparing from a more or less neutral-no such thing really, but you could be somewhat neutral-standpoint would naturally reach that Islam-the real one, the one not connected to culture etc- is the only religion that answers all questions and so on.
 
you are agnostic--> you become muslim

you are something else--> you become muslim

compare the easiness of moving from left to right for both.

agnosticism is mainly a result of either staying as you were from the beginning, or leaving a religion you didn't like thus it is more natural, thus closer to Islam IMO.

anyone comparing from a more or less neutral-no such thing really, but you could be somewhat neutral-standpoint would naturally reach that Islam-the real one, the one not connected to culture etc- is the only religion that answers all questions and so on.
Easyness to rever does not mean that it is the most similar.
 
I think it is, the other religions IMO contain too much abstraction/fancifulness to be close to Islam in any way.
Christianity comes close to Tribal Islam, but even then it isn't like it more than say, -Aryan-Buddhism.
 
Actually, I do. Of course the rest of the Jews at the local synagogues reject them, and claim that because they believe in Jesus and the Holy Spirit that they are no longer religious Jews, but even they recognize that they are Jews by birth.


How many Jews do you know who believe that Mohammad is The Prophet and that there is no God but Allah? If you do, are they still accepted as religious Jews by their community and in their local synagogues?

ABSOLUTELY! that was the whole point of including that. HOWEVER, my understanding of their position is such: they see TWO promises STILL in existence. they understand that THEY broke their Covenant with Allah and that as most of the promises that are contained in their books mention FOREVER alot that WHEN they finally atone for their misdeeds that they will be center stage once again. until then, Islam is a vehicle for the God-Fearers, hence:

We the descendants of Isaac, for whom the fulfillment of the promises made to us is delayed due to our sins…should surely anticipate the fulfillment of God’s promises and not despair

taken from this lovely excerpt that shows some Jews are going to great lengths to show that Ishmael was deserving and righteous was well as his mother:

Let’s begin with the part dealing with Ishmael first. We see in verse 9 that both Isaac and Ishmael buried their Abraham, what does this tell us? Well, for one, we can confirm that there was NEVER a time during Abraham’s life when Isaac was Abraham’s firstborn, NOR was there EVER a time during Abraham’s life when Isaac was to Abraham “your son, your only son”. Those terms could ONLY be used to describe Ishmael, Abraham’s firstborn son. But we are not here to speculate who changed THAT story!

In Bereishsis/ Genesis, the notes for verse 17. Ishmael’s age is given because it assists in calculations with respect to [dating the various events which occurred during the life of] Jacob (Rashi [Yevamos 64a]) [and this is footnoted, which reads in part: 1 Rashi goes on to explain that we calculate from Ishmael’s age at his death that Jacob attended the Academy of Eber for fourteen years from the time he left his fathers’ house to the time he arrived at Laban’s house (as explained in Megillah 17a); to which we have the sub footnote: [Briefly, according to the data cited in Megillah 17a, when Jacob stood before Pharaoh he should have been 116 years old, yet Jacob himself gave his age as 130(Gen. 47:9). The discrepancy is explained by the fact that he spent fourteen years in the Academy of Eber after leaving his fathers’ house.]
According to Ramban [to this verse but cited in v12] Ishmael’s age is noted here because he repented and the age of the righteous is generally stated. Rashbam holds that it is recorded as a mark of honor for Abraham. Since the torah had mentioned Abraham’s age at Ishmael’s birth, and Ishmael’s age when he underwent circumcision. It now concludes by mentioning his lifespan. Further on we read Rashi comments that…is only mentioned in the case of righteous people [such as Ishmael, since he repented…]…
According to R’ Bachya it [the phrase “and was gathered unto his people”] is based the use in our verse of both expired and died – which refer to the death only of the righteous – and the Sages said that Ishmael repented of his evil ways.


So whatever ill will the Jews may harbor against Ishmael [that they say he had “evil” ways], he is cleared of any error and claimed by JEWISH Sages to be “of the righteous!” note the similarity in regards to Abraham in verse 8 And Abraham expired, and died in a good old age, an old man, and full of years; and was gathered to his people. Compared to of Ishmael in verse 17 And these are the years of the life of Ishmael, a hundred and thirty and seven years; and he expired and died; and was gathered unto his people.


Also, consider that we saw in the notes to Genesis 16 “that Abraham and Sarah were still heartbroken at their barrenness, for without heirs they would not be able to continue the mission of Bringing God’s teaching to mankind. Recognizing that it was she who was infertile, Sarah suggested that Abraham marry her maidservant Hagar, and, if a son were born, Sarah would raise him, so that he would be considered her adopted child.” This tells us that it was the intent of Abraham and Sarah to raise Ishmael “so that he would be considered her adopted child!” it stands within reason but our case doesn’t rely solely on it, that in their job of “parenting” Ishmael [up until the birth of Isaac] that they would have sent him to the “Academy of Eber in Jerusalem” for proper training in the “mission of Bringing God’s teaching to mankind.” So from Ishmael's beginning and again at the end of his life we can put him in the category of the “sons” of Eber, and thus an Hebrew.


We will take another look at Hagar, just in case any see her as a reason to disqualify Ishmael as one of the “righteous.” Let’s look again at 25:1, And Abraham took another wife, and her name was Keturah.
The notes say that there is a Hebrew word in the phrase which means “again” which would literally mean: And Abraham again took a wife, which is interpreted by the Sages to intimate the Abraham remarried to before: Hagar.


Keturah is Hagar, who received this name because her deeds were as beautiful as incense [ketores]; also because she remained chaste…from the time she had separated from Abraham (Midrash; Rashi).
In 21:14 Rashi comments that Hagar reverted to the idolatry of her father’s house. How then does he now call her action “beautiful as incense?” – Rather, when she was expelled from Abraham’s household she felt forsaken even by his God and she intended to revert to her idolatrous ways. But when the miracle occurred at the well, she repented (Gur Aryeh).


The Zohar similarly comments that although she had relapsed into her ancestral idolatry, she later repented and changed her name, after which Abraham sent for and married her. From this we see that a change of name males atonement for guilt, for she made this change of name symbolic of her change of behavior.
[Immediately following this there is a note discussing some Hebrew phraseology which…denotes that Keturah was righteous and fit for Abraham.]


Although Hagar/Keturah was a first generation Egyptian and hence forbidden in marriage [see Deut.32: 9], nevertheless, since his first marriage to her was with God’s sanction, she remained permissible to him for remarriage as well. Furthermore, the Midrash [Bereishis Rabbah 60:4] specifically states that Abraham married Keturah/Hagar by Divine Command (Tur).
Targum Yonasan renders the verse: and Abraham took a wife, and her name was Keturah; she is Hagar who had been bound to him…from the beginning.


So we here additionally that if there were any ill feelings on the part of the Jews for Hagar, regardless of whether or not she is Keturah, the Jewish sources claim that not only was Hagar “permissible” for Abraham, but they actually speak quite highly of her considering the circumstances. Based on that I would reject any effort to disqualify Ishmael as a “son of Eber” based upon anything said about him or his mother, Hagar.

Quote:
Let us return to matter relating to Israel’s uncle Ishmael. In chapter 17, Chumash, God is speaking to Abraham about their covenant and promising a son through Sarah, Abraham interrupts God:
v18 And Abraham said to God, “Oh that Ishmael might live before You!” God said, “Nonetheless, your wife Sarah will bear you a son and you shall call his name Isaac…v 20 But regarding Ishmael I have heard you; I have blessed him, will make him fruitful, and will increase him most exceedingly; he will beget twelve princes and I will make him into a great nation…”


Part of the notes for this verse read: “We see from the prophecy in this verse, that 2337 years elapsed before the Arabs, Ishmael’s descendants, became a great nation [with the rise of Islam in the 7th Century C.E.]…Throughout this period, Ishmael hoped anxiously, until the promise was fulfilled and they dominated the world. We the descendants of Isaac, for whom the fulfillment of the promises made to us is delayed due to our sins…should surely anticipate the fulfillment of God’s promises and not despair” (R’ Bachya citing R’ Chananel).

Bereishsis/ Genesis adds: R’ Bachya cites R’ Chananel’s comment on this verse: We see from this prophecy [in the year 2047 from Creation, when Abraham was ninety-nine], 2337 years elapsed before the Arabs, Ishmael’s descendants, became a great nation. [This would correspond to 624 C.E, two years after the H(ijra)!…] to be honest, I totally missed the hijra comment the first time I read this because I wasn’t a Muslim and I didn’t know what they meant by hegira! But we do have one prophecy that at least according to the Jews, puts Islam as an Old Testament prophecy!

i DO find it odd that "Christians" only see some comments about Ishmael that they perceive as negative, but they miss out on the Promises and Prophecies about him and somehow they think that such a Prophet as Abraham actually completely abandoned his child and wife to the desert!? to what, starve and die? IF that were the case, how would Ishmael even have known Abraham died [burials are RATHER quick with Jews and Muslims], and WHY ON EARTH would Ishmael have gone to the funeral if he and his mother were so totally abandoned?


and standing on the conclusion:

i'm just pointing out, that according to Jewish sources, Islam IS Prophesied IN their "Books!" Islam was promised to Abraham! we CAN deduce from this that there would be a Prophet sent to Ishmael to accomplish this! THAT Prophet is Muhammad ibn Abdullah, Salla Allahu Alayhe wa Salaam! the "Book" that he was given STILL EXISTS! Alhumdulillah! and it is the Noble Quran!
 
i DO find it odd that "Christians" only see some comments about Ishmael that they perceive as negative, but they miss out on the Promises and Prophecies about him and somehow they think that such a Prophet as Abraham actually completely abandoned his child and wife to the desert!? to what, starve and die? IF that were the case, how would Ishmael even have known Abraham died [burials are RATHER quick with Jews and Muslims], and WHY ON EARTH would Ishmael have gone to the funeral if he and his mother were so totally abandoned?

Well, then know that Christians do not "only" see Ishmael in the negative. Indeed I turned to a resource that I use when preparing sermons and found 29 different postive references to Ishmael, God's loving care for him, and how God was going to work out his purposes in Ishmael's life just as surely as he would in the life of Isaac. In fact, in these references, Sarah is generally the one who is presented in the least kindly light. One of them has even given me some ideas that I think I might weave into my Father's Day sermon:
The loving father in the story of Abraham and his two sons is not Abraham. Abraham was no great shakes as a husband or a father. No, the Loving Father In this Story Is God. Earthly fathers may disappoint us " as Abraham disappointed Ishmael. Our Heavenly Father never disappoints us. On this special day some of us can celebrate fathers who loved us and nurtured us. Others of us, perhaps, had fathers who were for the most part absent. All of us, though, have the same Heavenly Father who nurtured and cared for Ishmael. He never forsakes us. He is there for us always.


And in another place this beautiful message:
But there is a wonderful lesson. It is simply "Ishmael" -- God hears. The Psalmist knew it:

Incline your ear, O LORD, and answer me, for I am poor and needy...Give ear, O LORD, to my prayer; listen to my cry of supplication. In the day of my trouble I call on you, for you will answer me.

"Ishmael" - God hears. God hears the cry of Hagar in the wilderness before her son is ever born. God hears the cry of her boy in the face of imminent death. God hears the cry of those of their descendants who have been denied a homeland, and for over 50 years have been relegated to refugee camps. God hears the cry of every child in pain. This is gospel: God hears. If you remember nothing else from this morning, remember GOD HEARS. When the world seems to be tumbling in and all around go rushing by, remember, God hears. When it seems that your heart's most fervent prayers cannot manage to get past the ceiling, remember God hears. God hears the cry. Hagar's, Ishmael's, mine and yours. God hears. And answers.

So, now you know, Christians do have positive things to say about and learn from Ishmael and his descendants.
 
i voted that judaism is more similar to islam than christianity. mainly i think because we have some similar viewpoints in terms of fiqh(jurisprudence.) both religions are a way of life and when the shariah of both religions is implemented, religion isnt just spiritual. it covers many aspects of your life. and we have a lot of similarities in terms of fiqh. for example both religions forbid eating pork.

also in aqeedah. though we differ greatly with judaism over aqeedah, we both at least dont believe that jesus was/is god! but of course both of our religions have differing viewpoints even within ourselves.(judaism has kabbalah, and other branches, islam has ashari, maturdi, and "athari"). also christianity has many differences in aqeedah too. i was born as an eastern orthodox christian and my views as a christian differed greatly than that of a protestant.

so i say we are closer to judaism than to christianity.
 
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I voted Judaism. But I just wanted to mention that Islam also has a few things in common with Mormonism (which is what I used to be).

Mormons believe their prophet Joseph Smith came and corrected the Bible and revealed a new scripture (book of mormon). He is like Muhammad (PBUH) is to Islam. They believe in all the prophets including Adam, Noah, Jonah, etc., but believe Joseph Smith (their last prophet) was greater than all of the others except Jesus. Mormons don't drink alcohol and don't smoke. They are big on modesty. They fast once a month. Polygamy was allowed for awhile in mormonism. In the mormon temple, men sit on one side and women on the other. Roles of men and women are quite distinct in the religion. They teach that the book of mormon is the most correct book (kind of like the Qur'an to a Muslim).

There are other parallels but I can't think of them right now.
:D


Peace. :peace:
 
Well according to what I have heard, they believe non-Jews can go to heaven, and therefore converting to Judaism is discouraged.



That makes no sense at all. There obviously must be a religion that is the closest to Islam in beliefs.

No one can convert to Judaism (in orthodox beliefs). Jewish people believe that you must be born a Jew to follow Judaism

Anyway, I think that Judaism is the closest to Islam.
 

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