Who does one support in Syria?

[Scimitar]

yet you seem to not even understand the basic comment there is. I have said it earlier and I will say it again understanding comes from Allah. A logical and rational person would ask him/her self how come he appearantly says something and claims that I have not understood it whatsoever. Maybe he is right and I have not understood it...maybe the error lies with me and if so how come?.

That is my advice to you. What you do with it is up to you.

Peace

Understanding comes from Allah - keep stating the obvious brother, it doesn't really help you to make a point. What you should do is actually google "investigative methodologies" and learn these so you can practice them in your research in these topics with great effect.

What you may find is that others are not quite there in method and you will experience the same frustrations I do when I read statements posted as fact right here on this forum where you and I reside. You have to understand, that what you post here, is read by insecure and vulnerable people who are not members and probably never will be - they will read what we write and think "they are experts" because we are on "islamic forum". Trust me, I've met quite a few members from forums I've joined, I met these members in real life and some of them - they told me stories of why they joined the forums. often because someone they care about is becoming radicalised by opinions such as yours when you posted "join Assad, the Kurds, FSA etc" in the Syria thread. That's on your head because you posted irresponsibly.

You want knowledge? Become responsible first and Allah may deem you worthy of it. With knowledge, comes responsibility. Not power.

Scimi

 

[Simple_Person]

I have? where? this is news to me and all who know me. So please prove this, thank you.



Understanding comes from Allah - keep stating the obvious brother, it doesn't really help you to make a point. What you should do is actually google "investigative methodologies" and learn these so you can practice them in your research in these topics with great effect.

What you may find is that others are not quite there in method and you will experience the same frustrations I do when I read ignorant statements posted as fact right here on this forum where you and I reside. You have to understand, that what you post here, is read by insecure and vulnerable people who are not members and probably never will be - they will read what we write and think "they are experts" because we are on "islamic forum". Trust me, I've met quite a few members from forums I've joined, I met these members in real life and some of them - they told me stories of why they joined the forums. often because someone they care about is becoming radicalised by opinions such as yours when you posted "join Assad, the Kurds, FSA etc" in the Syria thread. That's on your head because you posted irresponsibly.

You want knowledge? Become responsible first and Allah may deem you worthy of it. You understand me bro? With knowledge, comes responsibility. Not power.

Scimi

OOOH ooooh weejoh you think I am saying literary join Assad or Russia or Isis or Kurds or whatever. My bad hahaha I would never say such a thing. What I mean join their solution to a federation / split up the country.

If you read my comments you can conclude it yourself but it seems like you are very hast in reading and concluding. As I myself as some here are stating "am a pacifist" =_=!..join those parties and the solution to a federation or break the ountry up in peace talks.

 

[Scimitar]

OOOH ooooh weejoh you think I am saying literary join Assad . My bad hahaha I would never say such a thing. What I mean join their solution to a federation / split up the country.

If you read my comments you can conclude it yourself but it seems like you are very hast in reading and concluding.

You are once again neglecting those vulnerable and insecure people who browse this forum but are not members, read what you wrote and interpret it as "join ISIS, Assad, FSA, etc"

Scimi

 

[Simple_Person]

You are once again ignorantly neglecting those vulnerable and insecure people who browse this forum but are not members, read what you wrote and interpret it as "join ISIS, Assad, FSA, etc" - next time, BE RESPONSIBLE and not some loose fooling wannabe know-it-all type who attempt character assassination on long term members who have maintained ties with the old guard and contributed to this forum over the course of many more years than you've been a Muslim.

Let that sink in through those cranial walls - then post

Scimi

EDIT:

One last thing lad,

this thread IS NOT ABOUT YOU AND ME - get off your butt hurt and play ball man. Sheesh, this weak crap coming from you is embarrassing to reply to now.

You may have a point that people will read what they want to read and disregard the context. Thank you for pointing that out.

In the future my advice to you is question somebody first for example with (are you seriously saying we should join them in battle?) Which off course I or anybody else who is not meaning to say that will correct themselves and clarify it. So as much as I take responsibility please do help me or any other person in fact in clear up their statements.
In the end what matters is that we change what is in ourselves to expect change in general and thus help each other in it.

Going to clarify my other comments. Again thank you for correcting me.

 

[Scimitar]

You may have a point that people will read what they want to read and disregard the context. Thank you for pointing that out.

Its's refreshing to read you are open to this little known problem. Often so many just ignore how what they write here will influence those vulnerable and insecure types. May Allah grant the insecure and vulnerable, security and confidence, ameen.

In the future my advice to you is question somebody first for example with (are you seriously saying we should join them in battle?) Which off course I or anybody else who is not meaning to say that will correct themselves and clarify it. So as much as I take responsibility please do help me or any other person in fact in clear up their statements.

I used to - but it just made things worse because members posted more flippantly in the hope that someone will ask them to clarify - which just stretches the thread out so long that it becomes less on topic and more difficult to follow.

My advice is - write what you mean. That's what people who are confident of their opinion do. They don't flip flop like you did with the ISIS, Assad, FSA comment.

In the end what matters is that we change what is in ourselves to expect change in general and thus help each other in it.

Going to clarify my other comments. Again thank you for correcting me.

If we all seek to change within ourselves that which is not conducive to our experience of being Muslim, then great changes will come for the Ummah.

But until then, each soul must keep on striving to be worthy of "great changes".

Now, can we bring this topic back on track?

Scimi

 

[Simple_Person]

But anyways the best solution that I only can think of with whole Syrian mess is DURING PEACE TALKS to break up the country for each and every group to have their part or make it a federation. With that so join the parties DURING PEACE TALKS with this solution. I am against any bullet being fired now or in the future in Syria as keep waging war will not bring any solution to stopping the bloodshed.

 

[aaj]

Unfortunatelly Anwar al-Awlaki is not a reliable person to take information from. There have been cases where he has used highly dubious reasoning to justify unjusifyable acts such as bombing specifically civilian targets, thereby killing innocent men women and children. I'm not sure why people really take wisdom from him when he propagates such devient views.

You may not agree with his statements regarding political events, which occurred later in his life but he was an authentic and reliable imam and shared very valuable knowledge on the deen at that time.

Greetings and peace be with you aaj;

I see many similarities in what you have been saying, and what Hermon Goering said, when he was a part of the ruling class that led Germany into war.........

Hermon Goering
“Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war: neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But after all it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or fascist dictatorship, or a parliament or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peace makers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”

George Bush and Tony Blair both used the Herman Goering Nazi formula to guide their nations to war in Afghanistan and Iraq. A very easy and dangerous ideal that provokes ordinary people to pick up a gun.

You are grossly mistaken there. The US citizens were not being slaughtered by the thousands, but their government gives them the impression that they will be soon. Compare that to the reality of Syria and other places where Muslims ARE being slaughtered and even being cannibalized by Christians.

And half a million syrians have already been wiped out and others are either being persecuted or suffering in refugee camps, especially western european camps dying of winter cold because western governments do not want to provide any proper food or shelter to them and so called humanitarian christian groups are pressuring them to convert if they want food and help.

What's ridiculous is people here talking about gandhi and passing out roses and candles. This is not the civil rights movement, there is a war and oppression and blood shed going on. Those people need defenders to defender their honor from rape, their blood from being shed and their homes from being destroyed, not babysitters handing out diapers. Jihad or the right to self defend here is obligatory despite what you or others here think.

But anyways the best solution that I only can think of with whole Syrian mess is DURING PEACE TALKS to break up the country for each and every group to have their part or make it a federation. With that so join the parties DURING PEACE TALKS with this solution. I am against any bullet being fired now or in the future in Syria as keep waging war will not bring any solution to stopping the bloodshed.

Your solution is that of the west, in dividing up the ummah into little chunks and pieces. It is unacceptable and will never happen. The Ummah will be united when Allah wills. The more Muslims return to Allah, the less they will put their hope on the west for peace.

 

[M.I.A.]

But anyways the best solution that I only can think of with whole Syrian mess is DURING PEACE TALKS to break up the country for each and every group to have their part or make it a federation. With that so join the parties DURING PEACE TALKS with this solution. I am against any bullet being fired now or in the future in Syria as keep waging war will not bring any solution to stopping the bloodshed.

..and give them an oil well each, right?

He is a lot more reliable then the likes of nouman and yassir qadi and sufi hamza yusuf and his side kick zaid sakir that the majority so ignorantly and blindly listen to and follow. You may not agree with his statements regarding political events, which occurred later in his life but he was an authentic and reliable imam and shared very valuable knowledge on the deen at that time.


You are grossly mistaken there. The US citizens were not being slaughtered by the thousands, but their government gives them the impression that they will be soon. Compare that to the reality of Syria and other places where Muslims ARE being slaughtered and even being cannibalized by Christians.

And half a million syrians have already been wiped out and others are either being persecuted or suffering in refugee camps, especially western european camps dying of winter cold because western governments do not want to provide any proper food or shelter to them and so called humanitarian christian groups are pressuring them to convert if they want food and help.

What's ridiculous is people here talking about gandhi and passing out roses and candles. This is not the civil rights movement, there is a war and oppression and blood shed going on. Those people need defenders to defender their honor from rape, their blood from being shed and their homes from being destroyed, not babysitters handing out diapers. Jihad or the right to self defend here is obligatory despite what you or others here think.



Your solution is that of the west, in dividing up the ummah into little chunks and pieces. It is unacceptable and will never happen. The Ummah will be united when Allah wills. The more Muslims return to Allah, the less they will put their hope on the west for peace.

so your saying the Christians are on a convert or die spree?

...i hope the irony is not lost on any of you.

there is no escape..

have any of you been watching the newly released.. iron fist series?

and back to sleep we go.

 

[Simple_Person]

Your solution is that of the west, in dividing up the ummah into little chunks and pieces. It is unacceptable and will never happen. The Ummah will be united when Allah wills. The more Muslims return to Allah, the less they will put their hope on the west for peace.

My solution is of the west?..The biggest achievement the west has accomplished is put nationalism in the hearts of the Muslims. This solution i am talking about is a way to also tackle multiple other problems with it(nationalism might be included), but i guess you are too focused on the west being the enemy while nobody is saying anything about Turkey as only Muslim majority country being in NATO =_=!. Everybody here is so focused on Syria and bloodshed while on the other side they are cheering and defending the likes of Erdogan, Saudi's, Sisi etc.

To build something, you must destroy the current CORRUPT foundation OR correct the current CORRUPT foundation and build/repair the foundation based on Islamic principles. The current CORRUPT foundation of the countries of the Middle East is based on nationalism. A ARAB living in Syria is shouting i am a Syrian, a ARAB in Iraq is shouting i am a Iraqi, a ARAB in Egypt is shouting i am a Egyptian. CORRECTION: You are a ARAB!!. Burn every flag there is that people in Muslim majority countries think that it represents them.

I believe there are 3 primary identity types a human being can have.

- Gender: Male/Female (Qur'an 49:13)
- Tribe/Ethnicity: (for example, Arab, (Turks doesn't even exist only ORIGINAL Ottoman the rest are mostly immigrants), Kurd, Persian etc.) (Qur'an 49:13)
- religion (Muslim, Christian, Jew, Atheist, Agnostic etc.)

All these fake countries are meant to keep the Muslims divided, but Muslims are too blind to see it. Mustafa Kemal (Crypto-Jew) made a excellent move by starting with Turkey. I off course as a Muslim don't like it and am against it, but i have to admit he did his job very good that even till this day about 90 years later Muslims still live according to his ideology of nationalism and are blind for what is going on. While the Zionists are laughing their **** off what they have achieved with the Muslims.

 

[Simple_Person]

..and give them an oil well each, right?

I am not qualified to answer that as that is not of my business. If they agree with each other to divide the oil wells..it is their business. If they say no everybody just have the land that majority according to a ethnicity or tribe lives..again it is their business.

So what i am saying is, Syria is the business of people living there and i have also have read that Russia even agrees to this principles. However Gulf-states, Turkey and NATO to MY knowledge want to decide how things go.

 

[M.I.A.]

..sorry i was making a snide reference to the 11 tribes of israel.

Al Baqarah 2:60-61

12 tribes, sorry.


allah swt have mercy upon us.


although i recon we just get hustled the crp out of.

right?

 

[Simple_Person]

..sorry i was making a snide reference to the 11 tribes of israel.

Al Baqarah 2:60-61

12 tribes, sorry.


allah swt have mercy upon us.

You know what i am trying to say =_=!. The nationalism of today is rather a human invention.

 

[Scimitar]

You are grossly mistaken there. The US citizens were not being slaughtered by the thousands, but their government gives them the impression that they will be soon. Compare that to the reality of Syria and other places where Muslims ARE being slaughtered and even being cannibalized by Christians.

And half a million syrians have already been wiped out and others are either being persecuted or suffering in refugee camps, especially western european camps dying of winter cold because western governments do not want to provide any proper food or shelter to them and so called humanitarian christian groups are pressuring them to convert if they want food and help.

What's ridiculous is people here talking about gandhi and passing out roses and candles. This is not the civil rights movement, there is a war and oppression and blood shed going on. Those people need defenders to defender their honor from rape, their blood from being shed and their homes from being destroyed, not babysitters handing out diapers. Jihad or the right to self defend here is obligatory despite what you or others here think.



Your solution is that of the west, in dividing up the ummah into little chunks and pieces. It is unacceptable and will never happen. The Ummah will be united when Allah wills. The more Muslims return to Allah, the less they will put their hope on the west for peace.

Bro, you totally misconstrued Eric's post.

Scimi

 

[M.I.A.]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-39302798

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you aaj;.

And half a million syrians have already been wiped out and others are either being persecuted or suffering in refugee camps,

I find this sad and wrong, no one should have to suffer in this way. I think the majority of Syrians want the fighting to stop, so they can live in peace, rebuild their lives, rebuild their homes, go back to work, education for their kids etc. Hopefully, we can both see some sense in this as an outcome.

In the spirit of praying to a just and merciful God,

Eric

 

[Magomed]

You may not agree with his statements regarding political events, which occurred later in his life but he was an authentic and reliable imam and shared very valuable knowledge on the deen at that time

I wouldnt consider him to be either authentic or reliable. Much of what he said was highly devient. He called for the murder of innocent people who never caused any harm to Muslims. His errant and unfounded views are taken by certain parties to justified atrocities in civilian areas, including against women and children. Where did he derive his knowledge of the deen from? Which Islamic institutes to he study at? He was a good lecturer and public speaker but did not have a particularly scholarly background.

 

[anatolian]

Syria is just one country predominantly Muslim but the importance of Syria is it is in the middle of the conflict and I suspect WW3 is going to start from there..I too support FSA but nowadays you cant be fully sure who are financed by whom so we will just see...

 

[anatolian]

Turks doesn't even exist...

I didnt know we dont exist..Thank you for clarifying this..But if I dont exist who is this speaking to you?

 

[Simple_Person]

I didnt know we dont exist..Thank you for clarifying this..But if I dont exist who is this speaking to you?

The current people who by majority say the are Turks. Just like same case with Americans. The only people within Turkey that can say I am a ottoman are the original ones that clearly can be identified by facial feature as they look still a bit Asian. The rest are either Kurds or descendants of neighboring people.but their grandparents during the Ottoman period or especially during the creation of modern Turkey got citizenship as candy from Mustafa Kemal. In other words search your ancestoral tree who you truly are. So to take for example Erdogan. He himself I believe Georgian kind of area also looking from his facial features doesn't have anything in common with how the original ottomans looked. Just like "Americans" by majority are immigrants. That is what I tried to say. However everybody who came to Turkey..white..black..red..you name it was branded a Turk !!??..which you agree with me that doesn't make somebody of the original ottomans if they were branded by somebody else.

 

[anatolian]

The current people who by majority say the are Turks. Just like same case with Americans. The only people within Turkey that can say I am a ottoman are the original ones that clearly can be identified by facial feature as they look still a bit Asian. The rest are either Kurds or descendants of neighboring people.but their grandparents during the Ottoman period or especially during the creation of modern Turkey got citizenship as candy from Mustafa Kemal. In other words search your ancestoral tree who you truly are. So to take for example Erdogan. He himself I believe Georgian kind of area also looking from his facial features doesn't have anything in common with how the original ottomans looked. Just like "Americans" by majority are immigrants. That is what I tried to say. However everybody who came to Turkey..white..black..red..you name it was branded a Turk !!??..which you agree with me that doesn't make somebody of the original ottomans if they were branded by somebody else.

Yes but this is not uniqe to Turkish people. All nations on the surface of earth evolve as they migrate and mix with the local people. There were no Kurds say 2000 years ago either. However, this does not make them nonexistent. Still there is an American nation. No American would feel himself British ,Irish ,German or African etc. I guess. So, there is indeed a Turkish people.