Good points. I understand what you are saying.
Who Gets MORE Respect?
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Good points. I understand what you are saying.
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J, I wasn't offended by your post in the least, I just don't think that there should be a competition. I see a lot of cultural misunderstanding between women who cover up and women who don't. We shouldn't do this to each other, we shouldn't demean one another to try and make ourselves feel better about our choices. Already on this thread I see female and male Muslims making wild generalizations about what they perceive as the "Other," not understanding that their words could be deeply hurtful to someone else. 
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I think everyone deserves respect, unless their actions show otherwise.
Who actually gets respect is a different matter
Nice post though, Jeness. I see your point.
,I agree with you, brother!
J, I wasn't offended by your post in the least, I just don't think that there should be a competition. I see a lot of cultural misunderstanding between women who cover up and women who don't. We shouldn't do this to each other, we shouldn't demean one another to try and make ourselves feel better about our choices. Already on this thread I see female and male Muslims making wild generalizations about what they perceive as the "Other," not understanding that their words could be deeply hurtful to someone else.
Glad to hear that I didn't offend you. You may think that these people are making wild generalizations, but they could be true. That is a generalization by you calling what they say a generalization. I encourage people voicing their opinions and I didn't see cultural misunderstanding... I bet people didn't intend to hurt someone else if they have.
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No, that's just how we are taught to behave in Islam ( the right way) AND for the sake of Allah
You think so? It's kinda ironic, because I have far more respect for female doctors wether they be buddist, jewish, muslim, or even baptists over girls that like to to spark men's arousal by intentionally flaunting their breasts on cover magazines just to show the perfect 'body'. Come to think of it, no wonder its a trend and a neccessity for women to get facial and breast implants. Such a thing wasn't even heard of in America and the west 2,000 years ago when everything was conservative and proper.
Not familar with human physchology? Let me break it down to you. Heard of a1st impression? Why do women have to dress formally for a job interview? So that she can make a first impression! Do you actually think if a woman coming in a leotard for an interview will get her job? Of course not. The boss will then get a bad impression of her. what if she comes to a funeral wearing a skirt and a tank top? What will the pastor think of her? Now apply of all these scenarios to a muslim women. In Islam, it is not even a choice if we dress modest or not. This is something that is required BOTH by men and women. White or black, asian or hispanic. We have to apply modesty in our lives to uphold our honor and dignity therefore not to ruin our reptuation. Wearing a hijab is apart of the modest means. Niquab is even better. Speaking is apart of our awrah. We have to speak in a tone that will not ignite men's arousal. Act modestly so we will not be portrayed as hollards, tarts, or prostitues.
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The new book that's come out on this topic is Sacred Freedom, an insightful analysis of western and Islamic perspectives on freedom, respect, modesty, etc.:
http://sacredfreedom.net/
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I think that it really depends on what side of the spectrum you're looking at here. I think that Islam is so blatently disrespected, that it's not even cute. However in general Muslim woman are respected and should be. When people speak to me they usually express an extraordinary amount of respect. If they curse they automatically apologize, and I ask them "what made you do that?"
The response time and time again is "well look at the way you carry yourself". but what triggered that? ....obviously Islam.
Now why is that American women are only being disscussed? Firstly, I am an American woman, as are many other Muslim women. So maybe that needs to be clarified. If the comparison is intended to contrast models, commercialized woman, and innapropraitely dressed woman in general then those type of people can be found in almost every country except maybe Antartica.
Lastly, everyone should be respected. The way of the Rasul (saw) was/is the best way.... but then again people only tend to reciprocate the amount of respect shown to them.
Masalam,
Naimah
The response time and time again is "well look at the way you carry yourself". but what triggered that? ....obviously Islam.
Now why is that American women are only being disscussed? Firstly, I am an American woman, as are many other Muslim women. So maybe that needs to be clarified. If the comparison is intended to contrast models, commercialized woman, and innapropraitely dressed woman in general then those type of people can be found in almost every country except maybe Antartica.
Lastly, everyone should be respected. The way of the Rasul (saw) was/is the best way.... but then again people only tend to reciprocate the amount of respect shown to them.
Masalam,
Naimah
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Hmmm....
It's strange for me to be participating on this thread, because I've worked as a model before, and continue to do so sometimes (just for fun these days, not for any commercial reasons anymore).
I haven't posed nude, I am not comfortable with that, and I haven't posed in a bathing suit or lingerie, but I am comfortable with showing my body in certain other ways, especially when it comes to art photography (I particularly like black and white). My mother raised me to love the human form and to not be ashamed of it, as long as it is treated with respect.
Furthermore, I have seen many girls from back home who would have otherwise been subject to the worst kind of poverty enter the modeling business and earn money and support their families and themselves. While I don't think that modeling is a particularly ethical or healthy business on the whole, but I've seen many sides of it, and I've met many cool people through it, and it dismays me when others feel they have the right to dehumanize or slander them.
Yet I guess this makes it OK for some members of this forum to disrespect me?
It's strange for me to be participating on this thread, because I've worked as a model before, and continue to do so sometimes (just for fun these days, not for any commercial reasons anymore).
I haven't posed nude, I am not comfortable with that, and I haven't posed in a bathing suit or lingerie, but I am comfortable with showing my body in certain other ways, especially when it comes to art photography (I particularly like black and white). My mother raised me to love the human form and to not be ashamed of it, as long as it is treated with respect.
Furthermore, I have seen many girls from back home who would have otherwise been subject to the worst kind of poverty enter the modeling business and earn money and support their families and themselves. While I don't think that modeling is a particularly ethical or healthy business on the whole, but I've seen many sides of it, and I've met many cool people through it, and it dismays me when others feel they have the right to dehumanize or slander them.
Yet I guess this makes it OK for some members of this forum to disrespect me?
Greetings,
I honestly believe every humanbeing deserves respect. Being scantily dressed doesnt necessarily mean that those women are bad. They could be very nice, kind, and compassionate humanbeings. They might leave a lot to be desired when it comes to their dress sense, but that doesnt mean they should not be respected. And muslim women who cover their bodies deserve and earn respect from only those who understand the purpose of doing so.
Having said that, not all western women expose their bodies and not all muslim women cover up.
Peace
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On the contrary, their dress sense creates lots of desire.
WOWSERS!... It's a very sad situation that you put yourself in by saying that. That's completely rediculous!
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The fact of the matter is that if your a muslim woman you're supposed to dress modestly, wether you get respect or not and if you don't dress modestly, you will face some major critical consequences from Allah(swt).
For non-muslim women, it's up to you if you want to dress half naked or not. It's on account for how much respect you will recieve anyways. Although without insulting or offending anyone, wouldn't dressing un-modestly be the easiest target for rape? I would certainly think that common sense tells it all. Yes?
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Er... I'm not sure I'm following you here. What does the above mean?
No. Rape is a violent crime. Most women who are raped are raped by their friends/acquaintances, or in war zones. Instances of strange men seeing a strange woman, appraising the way she is dressed, and raping her based on that, are rare.
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True. Old ladies are raped too. Wives are raped by their husbands. It just goes to show that men who have it in them to rape will do it regardless of how the woman is dressed.
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Salam.
Very good thread you have started here Jeness. The reason why I have a great deal of respect for mihajaba Muslim women is because of what the hijab represents. It says that the woman has submitted to God and not to peer pressure. That is actually a problem these days. Girls are finding it hard to submit to God because they fear it may affect their social life. I am talking about all women, Muslim or not. Here in the UAE it is becoming more and more like the West. People generally wear whatever they choose. Short skirts and transparent tops are getting quite common these days.
As a guy I witness some of the comments guys make when a girl passes by. If that girl is wearing something revealing, usually the comment would be something disrespectful towards that girl. I am sure that is how it is in most parts of the world. However, if it is a girl wearing a hijab, you would rarely hear anyone commenting.
Very good thread you have started here Jeness. The reason why I have a great deal of respect for mihajaba Muslim women is because of what the hijab represents. It says that the woman has submitted to God and not to peer pressure. That is actually a problem these days. Girls are finding it hard to submit to God because they fear it may affect their social life. I am talking about all women, Muslim or not. Here in the UAE it is becoming more and more like the West. People generally wear whatever they choose. Short skirts and transparent tops are getting quite common these days.
As a guy I witness some of the comments guys make when a girl passes by. If that girl is wearing something revealing, usually the comment would be something disrespectful towards that girl. I am sure that is how it is in most parts of the world. However, if it is a girl wearing a hijab, you would rarely hear anyone commenting.
I may not be covered, but I dress very conservatively. That is how I was raised. I always have worn sleeved shirts and long skirts/pants.
It has to do with your own family/upbringing. I think as long as you dress modestly its alright. Following the 5 pillars is key and the rest well....let Allah decide on each person.
It has to do with your own family/upbringing. I think as long as you dress modestly its alright. Following the 5 pillars is key and the rest well....let Allah decide on each person.