Who is better?? Angel or pious Human

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Akhi ghira, the main issue is that if someone is saying something which contradicts the Qur'an - then we should delete it right? If someone is saying that a disbeliever is better than someone who is a muttaqi [someone who has taqwa of Allaah] - then that's plainly contradicting the Qur'an, because Allaah Almighty says:

O mankind! We have created you from a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know one another. Verily, the most honourable of you with Allâh is that (believer) who has At-Taqwa [i.e. one of the Muttaqûn (pious - see V.2:2). Verily, Allâh is All-Knowing, All-Aware. [Qur'an Hujuraat 49:13]

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We've stated many times over that one shouldn't say anything unless you have proof for it from the Qur'an and Sunnah. And this is against forum rules - infact we've given bro iqbaal many chances yet he continues saying things and then blaming the 'mullahs' - when in reality it is the mullah's who explain with evidence. This religion isn't simply opinions, but it depends upon evidences, from Allaah, His Messenger, or the understanding of the companions of Allaah's Messenger.


This is what it says in the forum rules:
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We aren't against people posting their views, so long as they don't start saying that something is a part of Islaam when it clearly contradicts what Allaah or His Messenger (peace be upon him) has said.




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Akhi ghira, the main issue is that if someone is saying something which contradicts the Qur'an - then we should delete it right? If someone is saying that a disbeliever is better than someone who is a muttaqi [someone who has taqwa of Allaah] - then that's plainly contradicting the Qur'an, because Allaah Almighty says:
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You have a point... I guess the brother just has to understand that. You can have your own opinions on how many years of education a person should have, how many stars are in the milky way galaxy, but when it comes to religion of Islam you cannot say something without having your proof. This is how our deen works and this is how it stays intact without corruption. We do take it seriously just like in America they take racial slurs made by popular figures seriously. That is not allowed in their country. In the real Islam that Muslims should pracitice there is no such thing as racism because we are all one big family as the Quran states. We cling onto the Quran and Sunnah and that is our base, our foundation, our identity and anyone who says something by making a statement about Islam that is false we take that as a big offense. Just like the racial slurs made by the popular figures in America.
 
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Jazaak Allaah khayr for understanding :)
 
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our the prophets excluded in this comparison?

well im pretty sure the likes of the four great imaams/sahabi/tabieen is better then the angels.

but Allah knows best....
 
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Quran: (2:25): "And give glad tidings to those who believe and do righteous good deeds, that for them will be Gardens under which rivers flow (Paradise)---.and they will be given these things in resemblance (i.e., in the same form but different in taste) and they shall have therein Azwajun Muhtahharatun (purified mates and wives) and that they will have abide therein forever".

A Muslim believes that human beings enjoy an especially high ranking status in the hierarchy of all known creatures. Man and woman occupy this distinguished position because they alone are gifted with rational faculties and spiritual aspirations as well as powers of action. Man and woman are not a condemned race from birth to death, but dignified beings potentially capable of good and noble achievements.

A Muslim also believes that every person is born Muslim. Every person is endowed by Allah with the spiritual potential and intellectual inclination that can make him a good Muslim. Every person's birth takes place according to the will of Allah in realization of His plans and in submission to His commands. Every person is born FREE FROM SIN. When the person reaches the age of maturity and if he is sane, he becomes accountable for all his deeds and intentions. Man is free from sin until he commits sin. There is no inherited sin, and no original sin. Adam committed the first sin, but he prayed to Allah for pardon and Allah granted Adam pardon.

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Who has the right to decide who is better?

by what criteria are you judgeing?

Who gives you the authority to judge?

Better leave such things that do not benefit you in this duniya nor the Hereafter!
 
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Who has the right to decide who is better?

by what criteria are you judgeing?

Who gives you the authority to judge?

Better leave such things that do not benefit you in this duniya nor the Hereafter!
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Then where would the drama be?
This is not the only useles time wasting thread here, the whole site is full of idle gossip and time wasting threads, which many people find entertaining.

If that was not the case Kuffaar, trolls and internet educated self styled googling ulema would not be allowed to desecrate every possible thread.

pupose of "debate" could easily be served in one specific forum while Q& A from the genuine enquirer could be dealt with in an other.

Ma'asalaama
 
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I dont entirely see how this debate can help people. Angel or human our only purpose is to worship Allah SWT and obey His commands. In our every living moment we must stay in obedience, remembrance and in worship of Allah SWT.
 
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I dont entirely see how this debate can help people. Angel or human our only purpose is to worship Allah SWT and obey His commands. In our every living moment we must stay in obedience, remembrance and in worship of Allah SWT.
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If the likes of Ibn Taymiyah and Imam Ahmed ibn Hanbal spoke about it I feel no reason why we should not disperse the knowledge and why we should not speak about it. Just maybe if some of you could read the whole thing then make your comments it will enlighten you a little. I feel Allah wanted us to know the supriority of bani Adam over his other creations that is why he commanded them to prostrate... Then again who is better now angels or humans..I would say angels in this world and humans in the next...I think this forum should be CLOSED for discussion...It served its purpose.
 
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I think it should be closed too. :) Allaah knows best.
 
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