Who is the Holy Spirit and Jesus according to the Quran?

[greenhill]

Greetings,

Let me summarize what you summarized and in relation to the title

The Holy Spirit is the Angel Gabriel and that Jesus was a prophet.



Sahih International
O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs. (4:171)

Sahih International
And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, 'Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah ?'" He will say, "Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen. (5:116)


Peace. :shade:

 

[greenhill]

I'm still confused. I've spoken with muslim friends. they slam the Bible as untrustworthy and unreliable because the message is corrupted but you're saying the message is not entirely corrupted?

Did not notice this earlier. Ooops.

Well, corrupted is corrupted. Can't precisely measure the extent of corruption. Their reaction maybe a bit 'over' ...


Peace

 

[ardianto]

I'm still confused. I've spoken with muslim friends. they slam the Bible as untrustworthy and unreliable because the message is corrupted but you're saying the message is not entirely corrupted?

Muslims are strictly prohibited to add, delete, or edit Qur'an although only one word, because it would make Qur'an being corrupted.

Maybe you are wonder, how could add, delete, or edit one word make the entire book corrupted?. But it's because we have different point of view. You look at the entire messages which not changed, while I see the originality which the words in the book is not 100% original anymore. If a holly book is not 100% original, it's mean this holly book has been corrupted.

Still wonder with my point of view?. It's okay.

Now about Bible. Is Bible corrupted?. From my point of view which I see the originality, yes, Bible has been corrupted because there are words that added on Bible. But I understand if Christians are okay with it because they believe that this 'edit' does not change the messages in the Bible.

To be honest, I cannot say that Bible is untrustworthy and unreliable, if I put myself on Christian shoes and use Christian point of view. Something that not done by your Muslim friends.

 

[daveyats]

Muslims are strictly prohibited to add, delete, or edit Qur'an although only one word, because it would make Qur'an being corrupted.

Maybe you are wonder, how could add, delete, or edit one word make the entire book corrupted?. But it's because we have different point of view. You look at the entire messages which not changed, while I see the originality which the words in the book is not 100% original anymore. If a holly book is not 100% original, it's mean this holly book has been corrupted.

Still wonder with my point of view?. It's okay.

Now about Bible. Is Bible corrupted?. From my point of view which I see the originality, yes, Bible has been corrupted because there are words that added on Bible. But I understand if Christians are okay with it because they believe that this 'edit' does not change the messages in the Bible.

To be honest, I cannot say that Bible is untrustworthy and unreliable, if I put myself on Christian shoes and use Christian point of view. Something that not done by your Muslim friends.

I see your point. If you define corruption that way, yes the Bible and probably all other copies of historical documents can be considered to be corrupted. and I think you understand the Christian view as well that we accept the Bible as reliable translations of the original messages. the variations are not significant compared to other documents from its time and there are many copies in existence to confirm what is copied wrongly.

this is off topic, actually most of my muslim friends are not really serious about their faith. I was only really a close friend with one lady who was a serious muslim but we were not able to have any long conversations about Islam.

 

[ardianto]

"When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed into him of My Spirit, fall ye down in obeisance unto him." — Qur'an, sura 15 (Al-Hijr), ayat 29 [SUP][6][/SUP]
"And (remember) her who guarded her chastity: We breathed into her of Our Spirit, and We made her and her son a sign for all peoples. — Qur'an, sura 21 (Al-Anbiya), ayat 91 [SUP][7][/SUP]
"But He fashioned him in due proportion, and breathed into him something of His Spirit. And He gave you (the faculties of) hearing and sight and feeling (and understanding): little thanks do ye give!"

— Qur'an, sura 32 (As-Sajda), ayat 9

Does the Quran explain who or what is the Holy Spirit? Is the Spirit of God = God?

Hmm, you forgot something, Daveyats. The language of Qur'an is Arabic, not English. And as we know, in one language there are words with context that can be understood by people who speak this language, but can be different if it's translated into another language.

"Ruuhi" in Arabic Qur'an is indeed translated into English as "my spirit/soul". But in original Arabic context, it's refer to the spirit that created by Allah, not the spirit in the body of Allah. It's like you say "my thread" to refer to the thread you have created in this forum.

Allah is different than His creation, the human, that consist of ruh (spirit/soul) and jazad (body)

 

[MuslimInshallah]

Ruh vs ruh ul-qudus


Perhaps there is a little confusion over these two terms.


Ruh is often translated as “breath”. But it could also be translated as “animating essence”. It is something essential that God imparts to us, that animates us.


But it is not a piece of God.


Imagine you have a balloon in your hands. Spread your fingers wide. Now sing. You can feel the vibration of your song in the balloon. You are “animating” it (causing it to move), in a sense. But is anything of yourself in the membrane of the balloon?


Have you ever seen a dead creature? All the organs are still there. All the matter that made up that creature is still there. Everything can be intact. But it is not alive. Some vital essence has been lost.


This is how I understand ruh.


As for ruh ul-qudus, this is a matter of some debate. Qudus means “sacred/holy/pure”. The classical majority view is that (in certain instances), ruhul-qudus is a way of talking about the Angel Gabriel. In Al-Baqarah 87, many have decided that the Prophet Jesus (PBUH) was strengthened by the Angel Gabriel. But not all people believe this. Muhammad Asad, for instance, makes an interesting case for understanding ruh ul-qudus in this ayah as meaning “holy inspiration”. I personally feel that his references in the ahadith to support this claim point to the meaning of “sacred essence”,and I would collapse it into the same meaning as ruh itself. But, perhaps, a larger “dose” than usual.


But only God truly Knows.