Who is the Real Muslim?

[MohammadRafique]

[FONT=&quot]Who is the Real Muslim?
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Amr may God be pleased with him.


The holy Prophet PBUH said, "A Muslim is the one who avoids harming Muslims with his tongue and hands. And a Muhajir (emigrant) is the one who gives up (abandons) all what Allah has forbidden" (Bokhari, Muslim).


This hadith reveals that the real Muslim is one who avoids harming other Muslims by his tongue and hands. It means he does not pick a quarrel to others and never use backbiting, abusing and slander etc. And follows Allah’s commands and avoids unlawful or forbidden acts of Shariah. This is the real Muslim according to the teachings of Islam.


[/FONT][FONT=&quot]The Holy Prophet (PBUH) also said that the real wrestler is not the one who causes the other wrestler down on his back, but it is that who keeps control over his passions at the time of anger. He also said that when anyone becomes angry, if he is standing, should sit down, and if he is sitting, then he should lie down and drink water. Because anger is created by fire and fire becomes cold by water.
[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]May Allah All-Almighty give us ’taufeeq’ to act upon these two hadiths, Ameen.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][/FONT]

 

[chalks75]

I imagine that Muslims and Christians( and people of other faiths) face the same problem

Who is the final arbiter of who is a real practitioner of a faith .

 

[Ahmed.]

I imagine that Muslims and Christians( and people of other faiths) face the same problem

Who is the final arbiter of who is a real practitioner of a faith .

Any person who believes in Allah and His Messenger Muhammad (saw) is a real Muslim and that hadith quoting our Prophet (saw) infact means the more better and more perfect Muslim is the one who avoids harming other Muslims with his tongue and hands.

 

[chalks75]

Any person who believes in Allah and His Messenger Muhammad (saw) is a real Muslim and that hadith quoting our Prophet (saw) infact means the more better and more perfect Muslim is the one who avoids harming other Muslims with his tongue and hands.

So all sects of Islam are real Muslims ... why do they fight?

 

[Ahmed.]

So all sects of Islam are real Muslims ... why do they fight?

The Sunni sect infact has 90% of all Muslims and they don't fight between themselves

Other sects have sadly deviated however they're still within the folds of Islam

 

[chalks75]

The Sunni sect infact has 90% of all Muslims and they don't fight between themselves

Other sects have sadly deviated however they're still within the folds of Islam

Why do they fight?

 

[Ahmed.]

Why do they fight?

Well Sunnis are busy fighting America and it's sell out allies in Afghanistan and Iraq and Syria right now. The mad isis and Alqaeeda are not proper Sunnis either so I didn't include them in the 90%

 

[keiv]

Why do they fight?

Who are you referring to? A certain sect? All Muslims?

 

[chalks75]

Well Sunnis are busy fighting America and it's sell out allies in Afghanistan and Iraq and Syria right now. The mad isis and Alqaeeda are not proper Sunnis either so I didn't include them in the 90%

So is it you who decides who is a proper Muslim and who is not.
Don’t isis accept the god exists and Muhammad is his prophet .... would that not mean they are proper Muslims according to your standard

 

[chalks75]

Who are you referring to? A certain sect? All Muslims?

Is there not a long standing conflict between Sunnis and Shiites,

What is the conflict about

 

[keiv]

So is it you who decides who is a proper Muslim and who is not.
Don’t isis accept the god exists and Muhammad is his prophet .... would that not mean they are proper Muslims according to your standard

"Truth seeker", the definition of who is considered a Muslim is clear and is defined as such in the Quran and in the Hadith. Members of groups such as ISIS and others can say they're Muslim, but if they, or anyone else, go against the ways of the Prophet :saws1:, then clearly they aren't "proper" Muslims as the brother mentioned.

Going back to my question above, when you say "why do they fight", who are you referring to?

 

[chalks75]

"Truth seeker", the definition of who is considered a Muslim is clear and is defined as such in the Quran and in the Hadith. Members of groups such as ISIS and others can say they're Muslim, but if they, or anyone else, go against the ways of the Prophet :saws1:, then clearly they aren't "proper" Muslims as the brother mentioned.

Going back to my question above, when you say "why do they fight", who are you referring to?

Obviously members of isis or alkidia would disagree with you ,,, and say that they are following the true teachings of the Quran and it’s you that has got it wrong.

You say they are wrong
They say you are wrong

Why do the Sunni Muslims and the Shiite Muslims fight against each other ?

 

[keiv]

Obviously members of isis or alkidia would disagree with you ,,, and say that they are following the true teachings of the Quran and it’s you that has got it wrong.

You say they are wrong
They say you are wrong

Why do the Sunni Muslims and the Shiite Muslims fight against each other ?

Well, I don't know if they say I'm wrong but, as I stated earlier, The Quran and Hadith make the rules clear. Anyone who deviates from either of those are not following the commands of Allah properly regardless of our opinions on one another.

I don't have any Sunni or Shiite Muslims fighting here, so I guess you have to be more specific on which fights you're talking about.

 

[chalks75]

Well, I don't know if they say I'm wrong but, as I stated earlier, The Quran and Hadith make the rules clear. Anyone who deviates from either of those are not following the commands of Allah properly regardless of our opinions on one another.

I don't have any Sunni or Shiite Muslims fighting here, so I guess you have to be more specific on which fights you're talking about.

It’s obviously not that clear since some people interpret it different from others , the very fact you say they are interpreting it wrong demonstrates this.

From what I understand there was an outbreak of sectarian violence between the 2 sects ( Sunni & Shiite) that there is an historical difference between the 2 , I’m trying to figure it out , best to get it from the horses miuth

 

[Ahmed.]

So is it you who decides who is a proper Muslim and who is not.
Don’t isis accept the god exists and Muhammad is his prophet .... would that not mean they are proper Muslims according to your standard

A proper Muslim is one who follows the clear teachings and morals of Islam. How can isis be proper when they kill civilians?

 

[chalks75]

A proper Muslim is one who follows the clear teachings and morals of Islam. How can isis be proper when they kill civilians?

According to them , they are following the teachings of the Quran.

Does the problem lie with the fact the Quran can be interpreted in more than one way.
You say it’s wrong , they say it’s right ..

Who should I believe ?

 

[Ahmed.]

According to them , they are following the teachings of the Quran.

Does the problem lie with the fact the Quran can be interpreted in more than one way.
You say it’s wrong , they say it’s right ..

Who should I believe ?

Believe the overwhelming majority. Like I said, 90% of the Muslims are rightly guided so that's an indication that Gods message is clear to all, however due to there being a satan always trying to influence us a tiny minority have gone astray

 

[chalks75]

Believe the overwhelming majority. Like I said, 90% of the Muslims are rightly guided so that's an indication that Gods message is clear to all, however due to there being a satan always trying to influence us a tiny minority have gone astray

It’s not clear to all if it’s 90%
And since Muslims make up a small fraction of people on the planet ,then it’s not chart to most people .
Since Islam is only 1400 years old ( I apologise if that’s wrong) then it wasn’t clear to the billions of people that lived prior to the invention of the religion.

 

['Abdullah]

Hello my friend,

Quran says:

On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our messengers with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land. (5:32)

Those who divide themselves into sects do not belong with you. Their judgment rests with GOD, then He will inform them of everything they had done. (6:159)

From these two verses following points are clear.
1. Muslims are submitters and they don’t rage war unless it is against an oppressor or self defense. Other than war, a person can only be killed if he has underestimated someone else but this has to be done in accordance to Islamic law by law enforcement agencies and not by any civilian.
Anyone who kill innocent human being Muslims or non Muslims is not a Muslim.

2. Unfortunately Muslims have divided them into several sects. Shia, Sunni, Sufi etc. what we learned from the second verse that God commands us to be Muslims ( submitters to the will of Allah ) and we should not label ourselves with Sunni or Shia.
3. Before you ask then who should you follow? Quran is clear on this. Muslims only follow Quran and the teachings of prophet Muhammad PBUH. who so does this is Muslim even if he calls himself Shia or Sunni.

Can Quran be interpreted in different ways?

Yes it can be because it is very rich in its meaning. The key here is that guidance comes from God and as long as you are sincere, you will be guided to the truth in the form of true understanding of Quran and teachings of prophet Muhammad PBUH.

 

[chalks75]

Hello my friend,

Quran says:

On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our messengers with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land. (5:32)

Those who divide themselves into sects do not belong with you. Their judgment rests with GOD, then He will inform them of everything they had done. (6:159)

From these two verses following points are clear.
1. Muslims are submitters and they don’t rage war unless it is against an oppressor or self defense. Other than war, a person can only be killed if he has underestimated someone else but this has to be done in accordance to Islamic law by law enforcement agencies and not by any civilian.
Anyone who kill innocent human being Muslims or non Muslims is not a Muslim.

2. Unfortunately Muslims have divided them into several sects. Shia, Sunni, Sufi etc. what we learned from the second verse that God commands us to be Muslims ( submitters to the will of Allah ) and we should not label ourselves with Sunni or Shia.
3. Before you ask then who should you follow? Quran is clear on this. Muslims only follow Quran and the teachings of prophet Muhammad PBUH. who so does this is Muslim even if he calls himself Shia or Sunni.

Can Quran be interpreted in different ways?

Yes it can be because it is very rich in its meaning. The key here is that guidance comes from God and as long as you are sincere, you will be guided to the truth in the form of true understanding of Quran and teachings of prophet Muhammad PBUH.

If something can be interpreted in more than one way ,and it is ... then it can’t be clear.

If two people have two different interpretations ,both claiming they have been give by god .... who is right ?
The one that you agree with ?