Who is "We"?

FS123 said:
English for one. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majestic_plural
"It is also called the royal pronoun, the royal "we".... It is most commonly used to denote the excellence, power, and dignity of the person that speaks or writes.


Trolling, will get you banned.
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Peace


I have a question because I do not speak Arabic, can you please help me on this.

[23:14] Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create!


Can you tell me if in the original verse in Arabic is Allah the best creator alone or among others, its hard for me to catch that.


Thank you for your help.
 
JOHNJOHN said:
WE in all languages is more that one, tell me in which language WE = I
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Did you not read the previous posts?

I have posted that in Bahasa Indonesia, in formal occasion, "kami" ("we") is used to describe "I" ( which is "saya" or "aku").

You are repeating your modus operandi that you used in the other thread: either you are truly dumb, or you pretend to be dumb.
And it seems you are the second case.
 
JOHNJOHN said:
Peace
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Peace be upon those who follow guidance!

You have no arguments
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There is nothing to argue against an undereducated fool!
you want just to ban me,
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That would be nice but certainly merited. You need a certain level of intellect to overcome the trolling factor unfortunately you're unable to reach that balance!
Did the prophete Mohamed teach you that ?
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Teach me what? To want to get trolls banned? I think it is rather instinctive!
Tell me where I have done something wrong ?
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Tell me where you have done something right? on the lowest common denominator reading the replies and not inventing stupidities!
Answer to my post and tell me where I made mistakes ?
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We've been doing that all throughout.. You'll need a good three months to shut your bazoo and do some reading!

Peace.
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peace be upon the forums' Muslims..

best,
 
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I was talking to a brother last night at masjid and we were talking about how early Christianity and Islam are almost identical. Modern Christianity is not true montheism, nor is it even true Christianity.

Anyway, the Bible also uses a "We" form sometimes when God is talking. So does that mean that there is more than one God in Christianity? Well it can't be Christianity if there is more than one God, can it?
 
birkah said:
We is used in Quran for many purposes. It is for power and royality, majesty, formality, to name a few. Human existance is dependent on water, and everytime Allah mentions water He SWT says We sent it down. Showing His power and His ability to destroy humans by with holding water. However, We is NEVER used for worship. There is no verse that worship Us, but it is always worship me, worship Allah, worship your lord, etc. Hence, the literary perfection is captured while there is no ambguity regarding who is being worshipped.
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SALAM ALAIKKUM

I am amazed by the summary, you are pretty clever, masha Allah

thanks for posting
 
King of Nines said:
Anyway, the Bible also uses a "We" form sometimes when God is talking. So does that mean that there is more than one God in Christianity? Well it can't be Christianity if there is more than one God, can it?
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For Trinitarians, they have truine God which they use "We" to argue for as mentioned by Futuwwa. But they have a dilemma they say God is one and 3 at the same time, which is beside the point. But in languages, even in English, "We" singular is used to show power, hence, it is called the royal "we."

JOHNJOHN, seems like some of the deceptive christian apologetic I've encountered who doesn't want to talk with reason but they keep throwing the silly arguments again and again. It is sad and funny at the same time, do they think this way they will gain followers when it is obvious they are not sincere. You tell them "we" is singular and it is royal we and show them proof from language reference, then they come back and say "which language has we = I." It can get tiring because other people have work to do.
 
FS123 said:
For Trinitarians, they have truine God which they use "We" to argue for as mentioned by Futuwwa. But they have a dilemma they say God is one and 3 at the same time, which is beside the point. But in languages, even in English, "We" singular is used to show power, hence, it is called the royal "we."

JOHNJOHN, seems like some of the deceptive christian apologetic I've encountered who doesn't want to talk with reason but they keep throwing the silly arguments again and again. It is sad and funny at the same time, do they think this way they will gain followers when it is obvious they are not sincere. You tell them "we" is singular and it is royal we and show them proof from language reference, then they come back and say "which language has we = I." It can get tiring because other people have work to do.
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Yeah, I think I posted earlier in the thread about the origin of the royal "we" in the English language. I will spare everyone from another history nerd moment.
 
Futuwwa said:
Oh, by all means, go ahead. We are amused :statisfie
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::Nerd Mode ON::

Well the concept of a "royal we" goes back to the ancient belief in the "Divine Right of Kings". Rulers saw themselves as appointed by God (a belief reinforced by the Catholic Church during the Middle Ages when the popes would crown heads of state), so any royal mandate was also considered a decree from the Almighty. When stating these royal decrees, the kings would use the plural "we" to signify that "I and God state this".

Even after the whole Divine Right concept was abandoned after the Middle Ages, rulers still used the plural "we" out of habit.

::Nerd Mode OFF::
 

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