Who knows Cheikh Imran Hosein ?

[Salahudeen]

There's a difference between saying "soon" and "20 years". You gave yourself the answer. It's normal to feel likeit's soon, due to all this oppression but it's different if your standing at that podium giving a lecture and saying such and such will happen in this much time or at this date...

And there's a kind of prediction that you see done by a lot of Hindus...by saying so and so will die on this day or so and so will get married on this day. And there are people even amongst Muslims who say stuff like if you wear this color or do this, he/she will have this success on this day. It's common sense, you don't need to be a genius to realize when some things are unnecessary. Not every issue is the same...

If these people say at the podium "without a doubt, for sure, we know it" then of course its wrong because only Allah knows. What are you disagreeing with me on ;D, Hindu's do their predictions based upon astrology I think its called, when they look at the stars etc this is my understanding of fortune tellers, people who indulge in astrology and communicate with jinns then of course this is wrong and going to these people is wrong, but if a person just speculates about what he thinks is going to happen in the future I don't see anything wrong. Tomorrow I think I will get ill cos I've been feeling under the weather, this isn't wrong even though its a prediction.

As for this sheikh imran hussain I've never heard of him and don't know what he says but my point was speculating on what you thinks going to happen in the future isn't wrong/haraam.

But also, what if a person says I think in the next 20 years this will happen, whats wrong with it :s as long as he understands that its just a guess and only Allah knows. For example, I think in the next 20 years I might get married, or go on hajj inshaAllah, but only Allah knows what the fture holds, is this a wrong statement :s

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

^^ sheesh, what did we disagree on I don't know. As for it being haram I dunno. Honestly I haven't done a lot of digging on this topic, so this is all I can lay out to u. When I mentioned predictions, this is what I had in my mind at the time. My comments were technically meant in a general sense. I dunno anything about this guy. My only comment about him was from that bit abdullaahi shared. Apparently I'm evil for mentioning what I got out his statements. Like I said, air tight lol.

Now me is out

 

[IslamicRevival]

I challenge to to prove that I am wrong in the comments that I have made. Singing the praises of some sheikh and screaming bloody-murder that I have insulted him because I dare to speak from my knowledge of what he unequivocally said about stoning/100 lashes and my opinion about one who foretells the future as a soothsayer is a red herring to mislead away from the valid points I have raised

I have no knowledge on the subject but i will say this, ill take the Sheikhs word over a laymans any day of the week.

No one IMHO is able to foretell details about the ghaib unless he has contact with the jinn or unless he has insight into a particular hadith that he can reference..

First a soothsayer now information he has is possibly coming through Jinns? :hmm: Cynical much? (Pure madness if you ask me) Anyone can see for themselves Qiyamah is near and Dajjal is coming soon, the Minor signs have passed and we are in the last phase.

The Sheikh is simply expanding and voicing his insightful opinion and i see nothing wrong wrong with it. Maybe we do have 50 years, 60 years left..who knows? Its an opinion and Allah knows best

 

[~Zaria~]

Omw!

Its such sadness to see brothers and sisters squabbling over matters of Islam like this.
Let me guess....everyone here are scholars in the matters of fiqh and ahadith now?

Please people - lower your egos a bit.


Do you not realise that he is providing his INTERPRETATION of certain ahadith related to Dajjal/ Gog and Magog/ Jerusalem/ Islam and Feminism/ Islam and the future of money, etc etc.
If you listen to his talks - REALLY listen - you will hear him go into great detail on HOW he comes to the conclusions that he has - quoting the relevant ahadith and ayats all the way.
You will hear him go deep into history regarding Britian, Palestine, etc.....and then return with his opinion about the future of this ummah.

So, e.g when he discusses his interpretation of the hadith about a slave woman giving birth to his mistress......this is his OPINION, his INTERPRETATION of the hadith, based on what is going on today.
When he explains ANY of the signs of the approaching hour - it is his INTERPRETATION.

He does not sit back and pull out of thin air - i think dajjal will appear at around so and so year -without trying to explain exactly how he got to this point.

Or did you guys miss out this part of the lecture?

If one is using the above manner to reach a CALCULATED guess about something that is to occur in the future (as occurs everyday of our lives - think about it).....then are we all sooth-sayers?!
My word!

You need not believe him.
As I have mentioned in my first post here - indeed there are flaws in some of his theories.

But please, lets stop labelling him.

If you do not accept his interpretations and his opinions - just move on.

Salaam

 

[CosmicPathos]

If there's an exclusive salafi cult and they're arrogant then that's not the way of the prophet.

the name salafiyya which you are joking about comes from the word 'salaf', which means the righteous predecessors.

Fancy people you would love to imitate.

Hello sir, I do know where salafiyyah comes from and what does salaf mean. Salaf is not a "particular" word for ashaab. The word Salaf itself means any predecessors. If you are referring to pious predecessors then it means salaf us saleh. But even then it doesnt point to companions of Prophet. If you are talking about companions of Prophet, probably better to use Ashaab ar Rasool (saw). Prophet used the word salaf in the hadeeth to refer to this ashaab and their 2 generations after them.

Moreover, just cuz the cult has used the terminology from Prophet's hadeeth, it does not mean the cult is true.

 

[CosmicPathos]

Don't get cocky with me. You disagree with it, then that's your decision. Dont go calling it a cult because it didn't make sense to you. Wearing the label of a salafi doesn't make you one, but through your actions. I agree with it, deal with it. Don't take out your inner hatred of Salafiyyah on me, keep it to yourself.

I have not taken any anger out on you, sister. I've just stated what I think about the so-called cult Salafiyyah. Its a cult because look at the techniques used by its members all over the world. The moment you disagree with them a bit, the moment you are kicked out of the group. etc etc.

 

[CosmicPathos]

Sister, he clearly said this in reference to me and me alone. He merely quoted you because you said this disagreement between me and others on this issue is ridiculous.

Salam, not in your reference bro. I do not know what you adhere to. If you happen to be Salafi, that was not known to me. And I have no "hatred" for you just cuz you are one, but if you behave like one, then I dont know. So far you seem to be a knowledgeable and friendly person on these forums.

However, I do disagree with you that one cannot make their inferences about hadith as long as they are not claiming any sort of absolute positions or acting like God.I do not listen to Imran Hossein, I believe he is a Takbleegi Jamaati. It could be that he has made a mistake in talking about that lashing vs stoning thing. Again, I'd have to see that DVD to see what he has said. Till then it only is hearsay, no matter how honest and truthful you might be, which I am sure you are.

 

[Samiun]

^^ no I didn't misunderstand at all. He quoted me in the same post he quoted you where I said that it seems like he's still supporting Sufism and that hewas giving mixed signals. And then he said no one is forcing me to believe it etc...the way he said wasnt nice. Then he explain he jus doesn't like that people r calling imran hossein a soothsayer. So IM ASKING, what does that have to do with ME. Had nothing to do with what I'm addressing. Go back and read it...please...

I was actually addressing it to Mustafa Mc and not you. The first sentence which goes like ,"Not to hurt other people's feelings" was for you. I quoted the soothsayer thing to express my disappointment to people who actually think he is one and that his ideas are ridiculous. I didn't see your post properly when you said 'it' which is sufism. Look, again when talking about t3h scholars we need to be 3xtr4 careful. We are discussing about people who have a higher knowledge and deep understanding of Islam than us. Who are we to criticize the scholars without proper authority from other scholars?

You know what, I'm gonna end this here. Iblis and syaitan are(probably) enjoying our argument. I'm actually thankful that you(light) saw my terrible attitude when replying to your post. I hope that you would do the same thing to other members too who are constantly doing it.

Zaria's post pretty much sums up everything.

 

[Samiun]

Salam, not in your reference bro. I do not know what you adhere to. If you happen to be Salafi, that was not known to me. And I have no "hatred" for you just cuz you are one, but if you behave like one, then I dont know. So far you seem to be a knowledgeable and friendly person on these forums.

However, I do disagree with you that one cannot make their inferences about hadith as long as they are not claiming any sort of absolute positions or acting like God.I do not listen to Imran Hossein, I believe he is a Takbleegi Jamaati. It could be that he has made a mistake in talking about that lashing vs stoning thing. Again, I'd have to see that DVD to see what he has said. Till then it only is hearsay, no matter how honest and truthful you might be, which I am sure you are.

dude, he is not a takbleegi jamaati. He even talks about them in one of his books 'Gog And Magog'.

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

I was actually addressing it to Mustafa Mc and not you. The first sentence which goes like ,"Not to hurt other people's feelings" was for you. I quoted the soothsayer thing to express my disappointment to people who actually think he is one and that his ideas are ridiculous. I didn't see your post properly when you said 'it' which is sufism. Look, again when talking about t3h scholars we need to be 3xtr4 careful. We are discussing about people who have a higher knowledge and deep understanding of Islam than us. Who are we to criticize the scholars without proper authority from other scholars?

You know what, I'm gonna end this here. Iblis and syaitan are(probably) enjoying our argument. I'm actually thankful that you(light) saw my terrible attitude when replying to your post. I hope that you would do the same thing to other members too who are constantly doing it.

Zaria's post pretty much sums up everything.

So by this, I should accept najisul padri (tahirul qadri) as a scholar (as per example)
Sorry but I'll pass. Not everything is just black and white. I don't jus necessarily argue with people unless they give me a reason. Quite frankly I'll never stop whilst I know people r being nonsensical, that's jus how I am. You still failed to understand what ive said or at least trying to say. Having more knowledge doesnt necessarily mean its correct and the right person to take from. Heck iblees has more knowledge than any of us....But it did him no good whatsoever.

As they say "I'm only responsible for what I say and not what you understand."

 

[MustafaMc]

Salam, not in your reference bro. I do not know what you adhere to. If you happen to be Salafi, that was not known to me. And I have no "hatred" for you just cuz you are one, but if you behave like one, then I dont know. So far you seem to be a knowledgeable and friendly person on these forums.

Wa alaikum assalam. No, I do not consider myself to be a salafi according to the modern association with extremism and intolerance for those who follow one of the Sunni madhabs. I respect those who follow a madhab and those who don't follow one in particular as long as they follow the sunnah of Prophet Muhammad (saaws) and don't impose their views on me. I consider myself to follow the Shafi'i madhab, but I am not highly knowledgeable nor do I know anyone who follows this madhab. Most of the people around me are either salafi or Hanafi.

However, I do disagree with you that one cannot make their inferences about hadith as long as they are not claiming any sort of absolute positions or acting like God.

I am not sure I understand you, but I see that one can make inferences from hadith as they relate to modern times. However, for one to make specific predictions about the future such as "the Middle East governments will fall like domnoes", "drama worthy of Hollywood will come", "Israel will make a lightning strike, preemptive attack, a dazzling display of state of the art military technology with super high tech weaponry that even Uncle Sam (USA) does not have", and "they will wage a war like USA has never seen and could never wage" goes way beyond making inferences from hadith and is not supported by any known fact. Except for the first one, these predictions (paraphrased here) are yet to come true and there is nothing to suggest even today that Israel will launch this kind of attack on the Muslim world that will "shock and awe" even the USA with their technology. My point is that this foretelling of the future (soothsaying) is very much unlike collecting existing weather data today and predicting that it will rain tomorrow.

I do not listen to Imran Hossein, I believe he is a Takbleegi Jamaati. It could be that he has made a mistake in talking about that lashing vs stoning thing. Again, I'd have to see that DVD to see what he has said. Till then it only is hearsay, no matter how honest and truthful you might be, which I am sure you are.

I can't accept that a 'scholar' would make a mistake in speaking so forcefully as he did about only lashing for adultery. Perhaps you agree that this is the proper punishment and that stoning does not apply. I respect your perspective that it is merely hearsay and based solely on my relaying to you what I heard him say on a DVD. At that time I also did a google search and I found some other scholars in Malaysia who shared that view, but it seems those sites don't show up any more in searches.

 

[MustafaMc]

So what I don't understand is, is it haraam to say in Islam that I think this and this will happen in the future because of this etc for example, if I say "I think my first child will be a boy because that's the trend in our family" is this wrong to say cos its a prediction :hmm: confusing

The distinction is between making vague predictions that may or may not come true and making specific predictions with the full expectation that they will come true. There is a difference between wishfully saying, "I believe my first child will be a boy." and stating with full confidence, "My first born will be a boy, he will graduate Magna Cum Laude from Harvard University and he will become president of Exxon." If this later specific forecast is wrong, he merely looks like a fool and if he is accurate, he must have gotten his information from a fortue teller or soothsayer.

 

[Abz2000]

i have watched some of the brother's lectures and find him to be very well informed,
yes, he can make mistakes in his predictions based on Ahadith, just like anyone else can,
and he also admits this,
but i have gained a lot of knowledge from his lectures and have been able to evaluate his words with the brain Allah has given us all, and decide for myself,
i don't have to agree with everything he says, just like i don't have to agree with everything any book other than Quran and hadith say.

i don't believe i would be wrong to assume that most of the people attacking him at least sometimes watch mass media news which is totally full of bull.

here is the first one i watched, i ended up watching all 8 parts in one sitting and have since decided to put aside a few coins:

 

[~Zaria~]

However, for one to make specific predictions about the future such as "the Middle East governments will fall like domnoes", "drama worthy of Hollywood will come", "Israel will make a lightning strike, preemptive attack, a dazzling display of state of the art military technology with super high tech weaponry that even Uncle Sam (USA) does not have", and "they will wage a war like USA has never seen and could never wage" goes way beyond making inferences from hadith and is not supported by any known fact. Except for the first one, these predictions (paraphrased here) are yet to come true and there is nothing to suggest even today that Israel will launch this kind of attack on the Muslim world that will "shock and awe" even the USA with their technology. My point is that this foretelling of the future (soothsaying) is very much unlike collecting existing weather data today and predicting that it will rain tomorrow.I can't accept that a 'scholar' would make a mistake in speaking so forcefully as he did about only lashing for adultery.

Assalamu-alaikum Akhi,

I appreciate how passionate you are on this matter

I think we are now delving into what exactly is a 'prediction'/ 'sooth-saying'/ 'fortune-telling' or whatever we want to call it.....as prohibited in Islam.

I just want to refer you to the following link:

todaysten.com/2007/03/10-predictions-that-came-true.html

(Please insert www before the address.......I cant post links as yet, but Im trying to find ways around it, lol )

Now, tell me - have all these highly creative and imaginative people been indulging in 'fortune-telling'?
Have they been summoning jinns and those that belong to the world of the unseen, to be able to look into the future and IMAGINE what it possibly could hold?


Dont we all do this from time to time?


Take as an example: I say, 'I imagine a day when we will be able to live under-water - and have communities and cities below the sea' (ok, so Im not quite as good at this....and most likely this will never materialise, Allah knows best).

My question is: am i doing something wrong....to be using my knowledge of the technological advances today, and applying my imagination to say this?

I dont think so.....


We have to realise, when we listen to Sheikh Imran Hosein:

He has taken the interpretation of ahadith and the study of the signs of Qiyamat up a notch.....if compared to other scholars.

He is applying is imagination, knowledge of past events in history, as well as Quraan and Hadith.....to try and understand what is going on today.....and what we MAY expect to see in the future.

At the end of the day, Allah knows best.


And so, to those of us who are willing to listen to a man who:

- has dedicated so much of his life to this field,
- who speaks with the love of Allah and his Rasul (sallahu alaihi wasalam),
- who asks of no reward or compensation for sharing this knowledge (his retreats/ camps are unbelievably cheap, and they even help out those who cannot afford accomadation, etc, all his talks and books are freely available for download.....no profits made here either......)

- A man who has opened up the hearts and minds to the reality of this dunya, for so many muslims......

then I say: Alhamdulillah!
May Allah reward him abundantly in both the dunyas, and forgive him for any of his short-comings, Ameen.


Please people......who are speaking of someone who deserves so much more respect......yet is just a humble seeker of the truth.
And he is human.
He will, and Allah knows best, does make mistakes.

So do all of us.
So do other scholars.

Please realise this, insha Allah.

(And if you have any doubts or queries on any matter - you are even free to write in to him. From what I hear, he takes the time to respond individually to mails that are sent to him.)

Salaam

 

[FS123]

Imran Hossien lost me because he seemed to much into conspiracy theories. I prefer Nouman Ali Khan who sticks to explanation of Quran. Second, he is talking about gold dinar, and he is not expert on this subject. I don't like when muslim scholars do this. That is another reason I prefer Nouman Ali Khan, he asks the person to go to an expert in the field.

 

[MustafaMc]

Assalamu-alaikum Akhi,

I appreciate how passionate you are on this matter

I think we are now delving into what exactly is a 'prediction'/ 'sooth-saying'/ 'fortune-telling' or whatever we want to call it.....as prohibited in Islam.

Wa alaikum assalam, Ukhti. I think I have made my point. May Allah (swt) forgive me if I have spoken too harshly or been guilty of backbiting. A person asked about this scholar and I felt an obligation to share my knowledge and my concerns. I admit I could be wrong and that I may have gone too far in mentioning jinn. You could be right that he is using his own knowledge (which is obviously much more than mine) of Quran and hadith in combination with his own imagination to make forecasts about the future. However, on what basis can someone confidently say that Israel will attack the Muslim world with weaponry and technology that even the USA does not have? Perhaps, you would also like to comment on the Islamic punishment for adultery. If I am wrong in believing that it is stoning, I would like to be corrected.

 

[syed_z]

There is a difference between wishfully saying, "I believe my first child will be a boy." and stating with full confidence, "My first born will be a boy, he will graduate Magna Cum Laude from Harvard University and he will become president of Exxon." If this later specific forecast is wrong, he merely looks like a fool and if he is accurate, he must have gotten his information from a fortue teller or soothsayer.

Asalaam o Alaikum ....


You have answered yourself brother. If you have heard his lectures before the revolutions took place in the Middle East, he never said that they will "such and such will happen for sure 100% and there is no doubt about it." No , never did he say such, rather what he has always said is "I believe that revolutions will take place in the near future and governments of Middle East will get toppled."

Similarly whenever he says Israel will become the ruling state in the world and power in the Middle East, he never says "it is going to happens as i say".... rather he always says "I believe that Israel will become the super power in Middle East and Dajjal will be its king etc"

Similarly he always says "I believe that the kids right now in High school will be able to see Dajjal not very far from when they become mature, they grow up etc".... he always says "I believe".

Similarly he said before USA attacked Iraq that "Most probably we believe that a Shia government will be installed in Iraq and a Sunni govt will be taken out" i.e. in order to balance the regional power so that Sunnis are not able to gain firm control in the Middle East etc. And such did happen....

the Sheikh does not do predictions as many brothers and sisters here think. Rather he warns them of the danger ahead for the ummah so they may save themselves.

At several times he even said "i could be wrong" and what i would suggest every one is to watch his lectures and read his books to understand where the Sheikh is coming from.

 

[MustafaMc]

Rather he warns them of the danger ahead for the ummah so they may save themselves.

Wa alaikum assalam. It is good to be warned about what may be coming, but the best preparation for difficult times is iman and taqwa that we all would do well to better cultivate and nurture.

 

[syed_z]

And about Scholars and their predictions are actually not their predictions. They are actually Warnings and why can't a scholars warn us when it is for our own good ? i would like to share a few words.

There is a tradition of Prophet Muhammad (saw) in which he when calling people towards Islam said the following.

Narrated Abu Musa: Allah's Apostle said. "My example and the example of the message with which Allah has sent me is like that of a man who came to some people and said, "I have seen with my own eyes the enemy forces, and I am a naked warner (to you) so save yourself, save yourself! A group of them obeyed him and went out at night, slowly and stealthily and were safe, while another group did not believe him and thus the army took them in the morning and destroyed them." (Book #76, Hadith #489)


Since Prophet Muhammad (saw) was a Teacher as well as a Warner, the Heirs of the Prophets are scholars of Islam and they are supposed to do the same things for the Ummah i.e. guide them towards what is right, help them learn knowledge and save them by warning them of dangers which every other regular Muslim cannot find out themselves.



Abu Darda (RA) said, “I had heard Allah’s Messenger (SAW) say, He who travels on a path in search of knowledge will find that Allah causes him to travel on a path to Paradise. And the angels will lower their wings for the pleasure of the seeker of knowledge. And it is for the shcolar that all in the heavens and all on earth seek forgiveness so much so that fish is the water. And the excellence of a scholar over a worshipper is like the excellence of the moon over all the stars. The scholars are the heirs of the Prophet (SAW) and the Prophets do not leave dinar or dirham in legacy. They only leave knowledge. So, he who takes it indeed collects an abundant good fortune.”

[Ahmed 3641, Ibn Majah 223, Ahmed 21774] (Tirmizi Book of Knolwedge, Chapter 19)



Since Sheikh Imran is a scholar of Islam, Allah (swt) has given him understanding of Din and Dunya, both. I.e. Quran and Hadith as well as political affairs of the Muslim. Therefore he uses the knowledge that he has gained to explain how Muslims should deal with the threats the Ummah faces today.

There is another hadith which might be helpful to understand as to why or how is he able to sometime see the reality beyond the appearance i.e. how does he see what is the reality of the deceptions that Media and world governments portray in front of our eyes and what is the actual reality behind those deceptions.


Sayyidina Abu Sa’eed Khudri (RA) reported that Allah’s Messenger (SAW) said, ‘Guard yourself against a Believer’s (Mumin's) insight (Firasa), for, he sees with the light (Nur) of Allah.” (Tirmizi Book of Exegesis of Quran Chapter 16 'About Surah Al Hijr')


When Khizr (a.s) damaged the boat him and Musa (a.s) were traveling on and Musa (a.s) got angry at him for doing such, Khizr (a.s) replied to that ...

(18:71) Then the two went forth until, when they embarked on the boat, he (Khizr) made a hole in it, whereupon Moses exclaimed: "Have you made a hole in it so as to drown the people in the boat? You have certainly done an awful thing."

(18:72) He (Khizr) replied: "Did I not tell you that you will not be able to patiently bear with me?"

(18:79) As for the boat it belonged to some poor people who worked on the river, and I desired to damage it for beyond them lay the dominion of a king who was wont to seize every boat by force.

(18:68) For how can you patiently bear with something you cannot encompass in your knowledge?"



Not every one of has light of Allah (swt) inside our hearts because not everyone of us have a strong faith i.e. Yaqeen (Sure Faith). There are many people out there Scholars as well as who are not, who have extensive knolwedge of Quran and Hadith, but if they are devoid of Light of Allah (swt), then they would not be able to be complete guides for the Ummah. How can they guide us in this darkness of 21st century jahilliya we're living in ? It is only with the light of Allah (swt).

I am in no way bringing Sheikh Imran to the level of Khizr (a.s) but i am just trying to tell the insight that he has with which he warns us and points out to us what we might not be able to point out. And then he uses Quran and Hadith to help us how to deal with the trials and deceptions of the modern age.


Salaam.

 

[MustafaMc]

Definitions from wikipedia:

Hearsay is information gathered by one person from another person concerning some event, condition, or thing of which the first person had no direct experience.

In law and in religion, testimony is a solemn attestation as to the truth of a matter. All testimonies should be well thought out and truthful.