Who represents Muslims?

[siFilam]

I'm not the spokesman of Muslims. I'm telling you what I observed. Muslims do all kinds of things on the motivation of religious scholars but only a few fanatics vote for them.

I think you are generalizing too much here. Sure there are many who received training similar to the real Scholars of Islam and now they are involved in politics. Their actions contradict Sunnah and Qur'an and their aims are to acquire power and status in this world. I can give many examples from my own country, Bangladesh. These people are not considered Scholars of Islam regardless what they may claim. May Allah expose their hypocrisy. Ameen.

Only their fans think like that. Majority thinks otherwise. Majority may or maynot be always right, but opinion of majority is always better than the opinion of a few fanatics.

majority meaning the progressive Muslims. Your so called majority are too weak to practice Islam according to the Qur'an and Sunnah. That is why they try to discredit our respected Scholars.

May Allah bless our Scholars, have mercy on them and increase their number.
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-SI-

 

[iqbal_soofi]

I think you are generalizing too much here. Sure there are many who received training similar to the real Scholars of Islam and now they are involved in politics. Their actions contradict Sunnah and Qur'an and their aims are to acquire power and status in this world. I can give many examples from my own country, Bangladesh. These people are not considered Scholars of Islam regardless what they may claim. May Allah expose their hypocrisy. Ameen.



majority meaning the progressive Muslims. Your so called majority are too weak to practice Islam according to the Qur'an and Sunnah. That is why they try to discredit our respected Scholars.

May Allah bless our Scholars, have mercy on them and increase their number.
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-SI-

You are a little too much sentimental about the religious scholars. Majority also becomes sentimental sometimes after listening to sentimental speeches of the religious scholars. But when it comes to the practial life Muslim majority is very wise and rational. They don't make sentimental decisions while choosing their leadership. You may call the Muslim majority as bad or whatever, but they make the right decision.

Religious scholars may be knowing a lot of Islam these days, rather more than anybody ever knew about it in history. But they hardly know about the political issues and their solutions. People elect only those to represent who know not only about their issues, but also know the ways and means to fulfil the aspirations and demands of the people of a nation. Do the religious scholars know the capabilites, talents, aspirations and demands of Muslims? and do they have any program or plan how to make these work for the benefit of Muslims? The answer is that the religious scholars don't have any clue of any of these import requirments. Therefore, only some fool will condiser them as a candidate.

 

[Umar001]

Do you want to put all the blame on Muslims?

Akhi, who do you want to blame? Scholars have spoken on what we need to do. A person sins it's their fault. True we don't have a Khalifa, ok, a scholar cannot bring a khalifa, the Muslims need to bring one as a community.

If Muslims are not willing to follow them, then the scholars should know why.

Scholars are humans, they can call a person to pray, they can quote hadith and tell the person of the importance, but its not their job to push you physically into praying. Furthermore, there are some reasons that cannot be helped, arrogance is one.

Muslims do anything in the name of Islam when religious scholars give them a call. They can kill anyone, sometimes their own relatives and even themselves in the name of Islam. What more do you expect from a follower.

Oh yes, I can see the multitude of Muslims who willingly shave, uncover, sell haram, use interest, and pray only when they can, I can see them moving to Muslim countries and sacrifising a day without food, can you see that? Come on, let alone see those Muslims standing up for justice in the name of Islam.

Therefore, you're wrong when you put the blame on Muslims for not following the religious scholars. The religious schlars have made their followers do all kinds of destructions in and outside their homelands; but they could not make the Muslims do a single contructive job other than constructing mosques and madrisas for themselves.

I don't know what scholars your on about, knowledge is what we need, brother let me ask you how many Muslim parents here in the Uk make their children memorise Qu'ran? How many parents make their children cover, or even themselves cover properly? How many Muslims in the uk contradict the prophet is simple things like not shaving?

I've seen it, even if we had the plan set out 100% I doubt most muslims here would follow it.

 

[iqbal_soofi]

Akhi, who do you want to blame? Scholars have spoken on what we need to do. A person sins it's their fault. True we don't have a Khalifa, ok, a scholar cannot bring a khalifa, the Muslims need to bring one as a community.

That's very right. It's Muslims job to bring a leader for themselves. They'll bring the one who they think is useful to them. They always do the right kind of shopping. They'd buy a horse on which they can ride. They'll not buy a horse which they know they will have to carry on their shoulders.

Scholars are humans, they can call a person to pray, they can quote hadith and tell the person of the importance, but its not their job to push you physically into praying. Furthermore, there are some reasons that cannot be helped, arrogance is one.

You're agian right. Nothing can be done about their arrogance. That's why people don't consider religious scholars for their representation.

Oh yes, I can see the multitude of Muslims who willingly shave, uncover, sell haram, use interest, and pray only when they can, I can see them moving to Muslim countries and sacrifising a day without food, can you see that? Come on, let alone see those Muslims standing up for justice in the name of Islam.

Muslims want justice anyway. It's very hard for them to bring religious scholars to justice. A religious scholars could never be convicted under the Islamic laws even when some are caught red handed in madrisas. They exploit the name of Islam to protect each other in such situations. You'll say that only a few religious scholars are bad and we cannot generalise them. My question is that how many good scholars come forward to bring the bad ones to justice when they're caught? They become silent or passive on such occassions. The same scholars become furiously activist when some innocent young couple is seen dating.

People don't like to make representatives out of the people who have double standards.

 

[siFilam]

You are a little too much sentimental about the religious scholars.

yes I am. They are ones preserving our Deen from the muslim hypocrites and disbelievers. Not to mention they are the inheritors of the Prophets (peace be upon them). It hurts when arrogant fools make offensive comments regarding their intelligence.

Religious scholars may be knowing a lot of Islam these days, rather more than anybody ever knew about it in history. But they hardly know about the political issues and their solutions.

Your problem is that your life will become uncomfortable if the Islamic Scholars lead the Muslims because their solutions for the modern social and political issues will be based on the Qur'an and Sunnah. Not deviated ways based on the desires of the majority.

Do the religious scholars know the capabilites, talents, aspirations and demands of Muslims?

unfortunately majority of Muslims demand the ways of the disbelievers.

The answer is that the religious scholars don't have any clue of any of these import requirments. Therefore, only some fool will condiser them as a candidate.

The ones u call "fool" are the ones who are not afraid to live according the Shariah.

-SI-

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

^^:thumbs_up

 

[noodles]

You know, the problem isn't with the scholars.

Think of it this way, there is a classroom full of students and there is a teacher. If the teachers explains various science concepts and only SOME of the students don't understand, you can't very well blame the teacher for not explaining properly, because if the other students understand, then it should be true for all. For the students who don't understand, it is their own fault for not doing homework and studying the pre-class work at home.

Similarly, you can't blame the scholars for not teaching the Muslims, or for not looking at the problems of muslims today. If you must know, most scholars have the knowledge of the problems muslims face in this day and age.

The problem lies with the muslims themselves; the muslims aren't willing to follow the scholars and opt to find a easier route to practice their religion. The scholars CANNOT deviate the religion.

Muslims are told to be steadfast in their prayers, give zakat and be a model for those around them. How many muslims do you see now-a-days who are willing to call for prayer when there are non-muslims around them? They fear becoming an outcast in his circle of friends.

The scholars lay down the foundation rules for us, and what do the muslims do?, muslims do 'pick-and-take' method. They find the easiest rules from each scholar and use it to represent themselves.



As far as politics go, this is an issue not worth getting into. There are the sheikhs who have their pride and honor, then there are other countries and their nationalist attitudes. If the scholars were left todo the political bidding, then you wouldn't see much sectarian issues. (Anyway, thats a topic for another forum)

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

^^Precisely!

 

[queenmuslimah]

i think that the rightous muslims represent muslims............

 

[doodlebug]

I thought Al Ahzar was the head of all muslims.

 

[جوري]

oh pls...sheikh Al-azhar is no better than "Mubarak" as he does his bidding...a good Muslim is the best representative for Muslims... every where you go...you are a walking representative of your Muslims-- so be the best Muslim you can be!

 

[InToTheRain]

Well the Qur'an and Sunnah have always represented the Muslims, I we had a Khilfah it would be the Khalif who would lead us according to Qur'an and Sunnah. But since there isn't a Khilafah it is our scholars that best represent Qur'an and Sunnah hence represent the Muslims.

 

[iqbal_soofi]

unfortunately majority of Muslims demand the ways of the disbelievers.






-SI-

I heard a religious scholar quoting a hadith that the opinion of two is better than one, opinion of three is better than two, opinion of four is better than three and so on.

In this way the opinion of the majority of Muslims is better than a few (senti)mental Muslims. The opinion of majority of Muslims about the religious scholars is not good. Instead of improving themselves to change the opinion of majority, they call the majority of Muslims as disbelievers. I havn't seen a single Muslim who is a disbeliever of Allah, Quran or Hadith. Themajority of Muslims however doesn't believe blindly in the controversial interpretations made by the religious scholars.

The ones u call "fool" are the ones who are not afraid to live according the Shariah.

These fools are not really fools in their practical life. They only talk like fools. They claim that they're not afraid to live according to Sharia. Practically, they are the ones who oppose to try them under Sharia when some of their favorite religious scholas are caught red handed.

They want to impose Sharia only on others, not on themselves. If they really want to live according toSharia, then who is stopping them. Collectively, they've plenty of resources and funds with which they can easily buy thousands of acres of lands in deserts or barren lands similar to the ones surrounding Mecca in any country. They can set up an islamic society and make anyone their favorite religious scholars as their representative and then live according to Sharia. Many other Muslims will join them if they really form a successful society there. So give it a try for yourself instead of proposing to others. I am sure you'll not do it because you really don't want to live according to Sharia. I can bet my life on it.

 

[siFilam]

iqbal_soofi,
I honestly don't know why I keep answering you. Your arrogant ideas will not leave your head. But in honor and respect of our Scholars (may Allah have mercy on them), I, the sentimental Muslim, will continue to reply in hope that Allah will guide you and keep others from being misguided by your comments.

I heard a religious scholar quoting a hadith that the opinion of two is better than one, opinion of three is better than two, opinion of four is better than three and so on.

In this way the opinion of the majority of Muslims is better than a few (senti)mental Muslims. The opinion of majority of Muslims about the religious scholars is not good. Instead of improving themselves to change the opinion of majority, they call the majority of Muslims as disbelievers. I havn't seen a single Muslim who is a disbeliever of Allah, Quran or Hadith. Themajority of Muslims however doesn't believe blindly in the controversial interpretations made by the religious scholars.

I also heard a similar Hadith. But you can't just use Hadith in attempt to prove your fallacious argument. Lets say you lived in a pagan society like the Hindu. Now the majority of the people around you worship idol, would this Hadtih apply here. What if you lived in the US in the 1950s and 1960s when racism and racist actions were permissible in society, can you still apply the same Hadith. My point is you have do practice Islam according to the Shariah regardless of what the majority may think or do. Alhamdulilah that our respected Scholars are against the majority. Why? Because majority of the Muslims lack proper knowledge of Islam and they are satisfied with their ignorance. They follow their desires which leads them to follow the footsteps of Christian, Jews and polytheists. If our Scholars try to satisfy the majority they will be misguided. they would fall into the deceptions of Shaytan as the majority did. It would be a grave error.
May Allah keep our Scholars firmly on His Religion. Ameen.
We are getting close to the Day of Judgment and these are some of the signs.

These fools are not really fools in their practical life. They only talk like fools. They claim that they're not afraid to live according to Sharia. Practically, they are the ones who oppose to try them under Sharia when some of their favorite religious scholas are caught red handed.

They want to impose Sharia only on others, not on themselves. If they really want to live according to Sharia, then who is stopping them. Collectively, they've plenty of resources and funds with which they can easily buy thousands of acres of lands in deserts or barren lands similar to the ones surrounding Mecca in any country. They can set up an islamic society and make anyone their favorite religious scholars as their representative and then live according to Sharia. Many other Muslims will join them if they really form a successful society there. So give it a try for yourself instead of proposing to others. I am sure you'll not do it because you really don't want to live according to Sharia. I can bet my life on it.

You lack knowledge of the Shari'ah so I will not bother arguing with you about how to apply the Shariah. I fear I may say something wrong. May Allah forgive me. and you too, may Allah forgive you too. :exhausted
But I'll say this, our respected Scholars already live their life according to the Shari'ah. Their life is based on the revelations from Allah and the Sunnah of our beloved Prophet (peace be upon him). The only thing missing is that there is no collective state to impose Shari’ah. People like you along with the disbelievers are stopping them from building such states.

I am sure you'll not do it because you really don't want to live according to Sharia. I can bet my life on it.

And don't rush to bet your life on it. May Allah give me and other Muslims the ability to obey Him, to submit to Him as His Messenger (saw) did. Ameen.

May Allah, The Most Exalted, honor His Scholars, have mercy on them, increase their number and humiliate those who continuously disrespect them.
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-SI-

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

^^Ameen Ameen!!!!!!!! Dont bet your life on it bro. Cuz u just lost already!!!

 

[iqbal_soofi]

iqbal_soofi,
The only thing missing is that there is no collective state to impose Shari’ah. People like you along with the disbelievers are stopping them from building such states.

Why is that thing missing. How many Muslims in the world want to live according to Sharia? If they're more than 100 thousand then don't you think that number is too small to start an independent state by buying a seperate peiece of land somewhere in the deserts or even in Saudi Arabia to make a state of their dreams? The fact is otherwise. They want to impose sharia only on others and not on themselves. Have you heard a single case in which sharia laws were impemented on a relgious scholar when a lot of them are caught on regular basis in cheap crimes that are punishable under the hudood laws.

 

[noodles]

Once again you target the radicals here and are generalizing by saying that all scholars commit 'cheap crimes'. You don't hear about the muslims scholars on the Media because the media wants to feed what is interesting to you. If some scholars seek attention then they receive it. Just don't be selfish as to think that all scholars commit those same crimes.

As far as shariah goes, there is nothing wrong with it. It's the sectarian issues that you need to worry about. (thats for another day)

A hadith mentions, there will be 73 sects in Islam before the end of times. It is unaviodable.


May Allah SWT forgive me if I've said anything wrong.

 

[i_m_tipu]

Re: Who represents Muslims?

Those who submit their will into Allah (SWT)[All mighty God] represent Allah (SWT).
Those who represent Allah (SWT) represent Islam.
Those who represent Islam represent Muslim.

They have nothing to gain except the pleasure of Allah (SWT).

 

[atha]

Assalam-u-alaikum

Did you notice how divided you all sounded??

kind regards
assalam-u-alaikum

 

[iqbal_soofi]

Once again you target the radicals here and are generalizing by saying that all scholars commit 'cheap crimes'. You don't hear about the muslims scholars on the Media because the media wants to feed what is interesting to you. If some scholars seek attention then they receive it. Just don't be selfish as to think that all scholars commit those same crimes.

First of all, let me make it clear to you that I never blamed all the religious scholars for cheap crimes. Most of them look very pious and religious from outside. I don't how they're from inside. Therefore I don't blame them. I only blame those who are caught red handed for the cheap crimes. The crime of the pious looking religious scholars is that they remain silent or passive when they hear about the cheap crimes of their coleagues. Otherwise the same pious looking religious scholars make a hell out of the things when they hear about a similar crime committed by an ordinary person.

As far as shariah goes, there is nothing wrong with it. It's the sectarian issues that you need to worry about. (thats for another day)




May Allah SWT forgive me if I've said anything wrong.

Of course there's nothing wrong with the sharia. The only thing is that you and your favorite religious scholars don't want to apply it on yourselves. Have you or any of your favorite religious scholar ever demanded to apply sharia on any religious scholar when caught red handed?

I've already challenged you that you'd never like to live a life 100% according to sharia. Try it for a few months. You can continue it for the rest of your life if you think it's the best way of living. Who is stopping you?

A hadith mentions, there will be 73 sects in Islam before the end of times. It is unaviodable.

What dou want to prove? Why it is unavoidable? You mean to say that there's no solution to secterianism in Islam? On one hand you claim that Islam has solution to every problem of the world and on the other you tell us that Islam has no solution to the problems created by religious scholars.

When you know that it's the religious scholars who created and promoted the sectarian problems and it's them who don't let us resolve these problems. You also know that they never solved any real problem for Muslims in history, then how do you even think of making them the representatives. You may make these dividers of Muslims as your representaives, but the majority of Muslims is not foolish.