Who spread Islam in the sub-continent?

Fi_Sabilillah said:
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No bro ^ Al Hajjaaj ibn Yusuf wasn't khalifah, he was a governor of Iraq :) under the Umayya Dynasty.


Sister siFilam, karamaat can occur - but they happen to the people who are really pious. We know even companions of the Messenger of Allaah experienced them;
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Jazakallah Khair for the clarification.

-SI-
 
siFilam said:
whats ur sources.
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The books of islamic history in the subcontinent tell us the how Islam was spread in different parts of the sub-continent. Then you read the way of preaching of the sufis and their poetry with which they won the hearts of the native populations. This is not the conventional way of spreading Islam.

Mohammad Bin Qasim conquered one city or a small state near the sea port which was named as Debal at that time. He defeated a Hindu raja and formed a small government. Muslims spread Islam by sword in the nearby villages and towns, but couldn't go any further because the people further east were much tough and strong to be converted by sword. The Muslim government formed by Arabs didn't last very long even in that small area. Please read the history of the region.
 
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It's not part of islaam to force people to become muslim ^ :)


Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. [Qur'an 2:256]​



 
Fi_Sabilillah said:
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It's not part of islaam to force people to become muslim ^ :)
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Is it your implication that what "Islam says" and what some "Muslims do" are identical? :skeleton:

Islam was not spread solely in a peaceful manner. :?

As with all other religions, some times the sword was used.
 
wilberhum said:
Is it your implication that what "Islam says" and what some "Muslims do" are identical? :skeleton:

Islam was not spread solely in a peaceful manner. :?

As with all other religions, some times the sword was used.
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No, its part of islaam not to force people to become muslim. Since that wasn't the way of the Prophets of Allaah, peace be upon them. To force someone to become muslim is like forcing someone to be a hypocrite, since that person may pretend outwardly to be a muslim and disbelieve inside their heart. And being a hypocrite is even worse than being a disbeliever who opposes the muslims clearly. Because they're a hidden enemy that way. And Allaah knows best.


Regards.
 
Fi_Sabilillah said:
No, its part of islaam not to force people to become muslim. Since that wasn't the way of the Prophets of Allaah, peace be upon them. To force someone to become muslim is like forcing someone to be a hypocrite, since that person may pretend outwardly to be a muslim and disbelieve inside their heart. And being a hypocrite is even worse than being a disbeliever who opposes the muslims clearly. Because they're a hidden enemy that way. And Allaah knows best.


Regards.
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So it is your implication that what "Islam says" and what some "Muslims do" are identical. And all Muslims do what "Islam says".
Interesting. :skeleton:
Not only is Islam perfect, so are all Muslims.
Even more interesting. :skeleton: :skeleton:
 
Keep it up ^ seems like you're used to taking things out of context. Islaam is perfect, muslims aren't.


Regards.
 
Yeah it is ^ and i never said it never happened either. Even if someone disobeys the commandments, doesn't mean they're doing the right thing.
 
Wars were fought for the spread of islamic shariah.

Islamic shariah allows for other religions to live under the muslim rule. It is not in our religion to use 'force' to convert someone.

(someone correct me if I'm wrong)
 
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When muslims would go to a land, they would give them one of three options:

1) Become muslim and you will be equal to us as brothers/sisters in faith.

2) Pay Jizya, and your blood and honor will be protected, while allowing people to have freedom of religion.

3) If you don't want to accept the above, then fight.


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Options 1 and 2 were for the freedom of the people, but if the opposing government persisted in their rule of oppression - then the muslims have the right to fight them till the justice of islaam is applied within the land. And we know that women, children, seniors, worshippers in churches/synagogues etc. weren't allowed to be killed as the Messenger of Allaah, peace be upon him stated.

The government has 3 days to accept or reject the proposals, whereas the rulers of before would sometimes attack other nations without notice.


So the praise is for Allaah that we are muslims. :)
 
Fi_Sabilillah said:
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It's not part of islaam to force people to become muslim ^ :)


Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. [Qur'an 2:256]​
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People under the Islamic rule had only two options. 1. Pay Jazia (tax) or 2. become Muslim and get a share from Jazia paid by non Muslims. Muslims themselves didn't want everybody under them to become Muslims. They wanted more people to give jazia than the ones who shared the jazia. This is what happend in Spain. In the begining Muslims used to collect a huge jazia with which they built lavish palaces and buildings for themselves. Then the non-Muslims also started declaring one of their family members as a Muslim in order to get away with Jazia. The whole spain looked like a Muslim majority country. Then due to lack of income, the Muslims went weak. In these circumstances, the non-Muslims got a chance to revolt and push the weak Muslim rulers out of their country. The superficial Muslims converted back to their original religions the next day Muslim rulers were ousted.
 
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When the Bani Umayyah started getting attatched to the world ^ and started straying from the guidance revealed to Allaah's final Messenger, peace be upon him - they were placed under a severe trial.


The Messenger of Allaah (peace be upon him) said:

“This community of mine is a community blessed with mercy. It is not punished in the Hereafter. Instead, it is punished in this world with strife, instability, and bloodshed.” [Musnad Ahmad, Sunan Abî Dâwûd, and Mustadrak al-Hâkim] It is an authentic hadîth. It indicates that Allah has shown mercy on the Islamic community and that its punishment will be in this world instead of the Hereafter.

http://www.islamicboard.com/sects-d...ide-into-73-sects-shaykh-salman-al-oadah.html
 
what happens if you don't pay taxes here in the good ole U.S?
 
Liberation of the people - yeah. :) Because they fight the government who is oppressive to its people, the one who didn't allow them to practise their own religion freely, and the one who charged them with heavy taxes etc. In other words, the super powers such as the Byzantinian Romans and the Sassanids etc. And countless other examples in history.

Therefore by fighting the government - they liberated the people by lightening their burdens and as stated many times throughout the thread - protecting their blood, honor and allowing them to practise their religion. So yes. :)
 
PurestAmbrosia said:
what happens if you don't pay taxes here in the good ole U.S?
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Last time I checked, you can get free room and board.
I don't think it is covered under capital punishment though. :D
I don't know if we will have to start paying taxes to Mexico after the invasion or not. But I don't know how this relates.
 
Fi_Sabilillah said:
Liberation of the people - yeah. :) Because they fight the government who is oppressive to its people, the one who didn't allow them to practise their own religion freely, and the one who charged them with heavy taxes etc. In other words, the super powers such as the Byzantinian Romans and the Sassanids etc. And countless other examples in history.

Therefore by fighting the government - they liberated the people by lightening their burdens and as stated many times throughout the thread - protecting their blood, honor and allowing them to practise their religion. So yes. :)
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Using that logic, I can fully justify the Iraqi invasion. :skeleton:
 
wilberhum said:
Last time I checked, you can get free room and board.
I don't think it is covered under capital punishment though. :D
I don't know if we will have to start paying taxes to Mexico after the invasion or not. But I don't know how this relates.
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jizya=tax --you pay as citizen protected under the Muslim empire...
when the evil brits a come a huffin and a puffin... chivalrous Muslim knights will go on their Arabian horses in the night to defend you while you sit at home sippin' tea
so in a way you get room and board with a bonus as you'll be free to walk your dog and it won't be limited from 7-10 in the AM....

peace!
 

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